THE RETURN OF KEANO

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http://www.rte.ie/sport/2004/0413/keaneroy.html

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

why isn't this momentous event getting any answers.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 14:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Custard.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 14:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I am excited, though maybe he will change his mind tomorrow.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 14:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I am most excited because it gives new lifeblood to the RonanKeaneBlog.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

It's odd how my stupid parodies of him have turned me from disliking him to being a huge fan. Actually though it may have been the book, which I found oddly inspiring. Hence my Shearer criticisms today too.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Keanuo Reeves?

― Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

they don't need him

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm keen.

That was what I really thought, before I realized it would look dumb: so I am posting it.

― the finefox, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Hopefully it'll shorten his Man Utd career.

― stevo (stevo), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 15:13 (twenty-two years ago)

This IS exciting!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)

not really

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)

but Ireland has a better Keane already!

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a bit late now that he's old and injury-ravaged and can't even play for United half the time in case he's out for the Big Games. If I was Ferguson I'd be spitting venom at this development.

But yeah, it's exciting as well. If only for the inevitable additional chapters in the book.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Arse to it. He never plays as well for Ireland as he does for Man U, and even the rugby nutters that run RTE Radio sports could see he was suffering in his last club match.

You can keep him. He's a thug.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

a popular thug

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)

This is great news for all our readers.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm very surprised by this, and it's easy to see it all going wrong.
Since Saipan, I don't really care how Ireland do any more (though I do respect Brian Kerr). Obviously Roy does still care about Ireland, despite all the shite he had to put up with.

But it's easy to see a Dublin crowd giving him stick if he's not playing brilliantly, and as people have pointed out on this thread, he's not quite the player he was. I think he would be wiser not to come back, but I admire him for giving it a go.

― Joe Kay (feethurt), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Though thinking about how Matty Holland felt when he heard this news does kinda make it worthwhile.

― Joe Kay (feethurt), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I actually think this is a bit of a daft decision, but the entertainment potential is enormous.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)

It would be quite funny if he never got picked.

Is he hoping to carry on till 2006?

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)

He wouldn't have come back if Keith O'Neill hadn't retired.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I still haven't forgiven his prima donna act in 2002. Not playing him would be criminally stupid though.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

"Not ten minutes back and the baiting and bare faced humiliation begins, this must be how Frank fucking Black feels. "

btw Keane has played very well for United this year, I'm not sure where the idea he hasn't comes from.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

just cos he hasn't scored (m)any goals maybe, not that he's usually expected to anyway

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

He's lost a step since coming back from injury, though. I don't even think it's because of the injury, he just seems... timider? He's not pulling up any trees, so to speak.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I phoned the Forestry Commission, and they agreed it was ridiculous.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22pulling+up+any+trees%22

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

He was good against Arsenal.

Also the idea he's not played as well for Ireland as for Man U is silly, incredibly so.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

How funny would it be if he stormed out again though? Or nutted Kevin Kilbane right there on the pitch for being shit?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

keane was v.good in the first half of this season, has faded badly since, so it's strange that this decision comes at this stage. i think it's good news, but i have doubts as to how many games he will actually play for ireland. could be after a couple of the qualifiers he retires again - don't think he'll see out the campaign, to be honest. not the player he once was, but def. better than any midfielders we currently have, so this is good news.

"Also the idea he's not played as well for Ireland as for Man U is silly, incredibly so."

ronan otm, his performances in the 2002 qualifying campaign were his best ever, for any team (home to holland and portugal, away to cyprus in particular). as for the potential entertainment value, i think folks may be disappointed. i feel he'll just turn in a couple of solid performances, then leave again.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I am delighted. Absolutely delighted.

― Lara (Lara), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)

bit dubious about this but i can't say i dont want to see him play for us again

― robin (robin), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 02:05 (twenty-two years ago)

how can we be this many posts in to this thread without anyone saying "stick it up yer bollocks?"

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 08:41 (twenty-two years ago)

They're all bluffers.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 08:42 (twenty-two years ago)

wonder what's cooking at sunderland right now

i think this is good, ireland have loads of really promising but feckless kids that could do with a... reassuring old head, well not as uselessly calm as poxy matt holland anyway. given o'shea o'brien duff reid miller robbie keane, looks good. the miller thing too , ferguson will be happy about that transition wise

― prima fassy (mwah), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 08:53 (twenty-two years ago)

finnan too (never mind the liverpool)

― prima fassy (mwah), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 08:54 (twenty-two years ago)

You forgot Gary Doherty.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 08:54 (twenty-two years ago)

prima otm re:holland, his last few performances for ireland have been frighteningly anonymous. interesting to see who'll partner keane in the centre, i'd say miller may have established himself by the time the 1st qualifier comes around (i'm guessing keane won't play in any of the upcoming friendlies)

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 10:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Isn't there a case for Keane playing at centre-back eventually?

There's a mean looking Irish team coming about, I'm quite excited.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 10:15 (twenty-two years ago)

biggest problem position for ireland = finding strike partner for robbie keane. we're always much better with a big battering ram striker - this rules out connoly and morrison. doherty is too clumsy and plays mostly at centre-half. alan lee did an impressive cameo against czech rep, but with only 3 goals for cardiff this season i have my doubts.

keane at centre half? i remember him playing well there for united against juve, so it's possible. i'd keep him in the centre of midfield for now - we've got a few ok-to-solid centre backs (cunningham, o shea, o'brien, breen, dunne) so that position is ok. word to kerr: now that you've brought back one superstar midfielder, it's time to bring in our other one - sean thornton! he looks classy.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 11:30 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

Not long to wait now.
I'm suddenly really pleased and excited about this.
It feels right. I can start supporting Ireland again.

― Joe Kay (feethurt), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

why couldn't you before (after Keane walked out)?

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Roy was hanging around outside on match days, and intimidating Joe and his family.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Because I felt so angry with the other players for siding with McCarthy over him. That horrible press conference with Quinn, Staunton, Kelly, Matt Holland slagging him off in The Independent on Sunday, the fool McAteer etc. It was impossible to support these people I had no respect for. So I spent the World Cup hoping Ireland would get a good hammering. But now we have a manager I can respect, half the new team had nothing to do with Saipan, and the main man's back. (Oh, and what Ronan says)
(And Keane didn't 'walk out', he was sent home, in fact not even that, the team flew off to Japan leaving him on Saipan)

― Joe Kay (feethurt), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)

What manager wouldn't have sent him home (aside from those weak of will)? Do you condone his actions?

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Keane was more of an idiot than McCarthy imo - his team-mates were within their right to slag him off as by the sound of things he was ranting about 'team' but not acting like he was part of one. McCarthy had appeared to do a very good job with Ireland until Keane started causing mischief - I blame Keane for the damage done more than anyone else and he deserved the criticism.

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree w/ stevem. Fuck McCarthy but behind closed doors. Keane had a tizzy and got what he deserved, the self-important prima donna. I knew he wasn't thniking about the ROI fans worldwide.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Do you condone his actions?
But what did he do that was so terrible?
1. He threatened to walk out and then changed his mind. Yes, that was an overreaction and silly, but once it was sorted out it should have been forgotten about.
2. He gave interviews to the Irish Times and (Irish) Sunday Independent, in which he suggested that some of his teammates (unnamed) might have won as much as himself if they'd had his application. Not very tactful, but he's done the same kind of thing at Man. U. without any problems.
3. He raged at McCarthy at a team meeting set up to discuss these interviews. Wouldn't you be inclined to do something similar if your boss had some problem with your work, and instead of discussing it in private, did it in front of all your workmates?

― Joe Kay (feethurt), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Keane's a grown man. What he did was small childish. However, there was one good thing to come out of the whole affair, the phrase 'stick it up your bollocks."

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)

upsetting of team discipine is never tolerated. i do not understand the surprise

― charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

If I had been publicly criticising my workmates, it would seem only reasonable for a clear-the-air meeting to involve those colleagues.

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Tim's point is fair enough, I suppose, but you have to ask what was McCarthy hoping to achieve by holding the meeting that way, and the criticisms were fairly mild (and humourous). McCarthy was far more focussed on his own reputation (particularly in England) than on what he should have been focussed on (Ireland winning the World Cup). To have any chance of winning the tournament, we HAD to have Keane, even if that meant some loss of face for McCarthy.

But anyway, this is old ground now (it's probably just as well I didn't know about ilx in Summer 2002, when I felt REALLY strongly about all this). Let's just look forward to tonight.

― Joe Kay (feethurt), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm unsure a clear picture of the events is really possible.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

i read somewhere, once, that no player is bigger than the team.

― charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:38 (twenty-two years ago)

There are threads from the time, Joe, if you fancy having a trawl through the archives. Ronan's Keano parodies remain some of my personal ILx high points.

Charlton (what an appropriate name for that comment) OTM.

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:38 (twenty-two years ago)

"i read somewhere, once, that no player is bigger than the team."

Er, Mick Quinn?

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Gareth is not quite otm, there is a suggestion that McCarthy set Keane up, in this matter. Sure Keane didn't have to walk into it, but if this was the case it is not entirely Keane's fault.

I think, as I said, there was some sort of ongoing clash of egos, and it came to a head at the worst possible time for everyone, and both men baited each other into messing everything up.

That said Keano's book is VERY convincing in its defence, I've not read anything by Mick McCarthy.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I changed my mind, after reading Keane's book.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

that was quick

― charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't goad me.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/graphics/2001/09/15/sfgnew160901.jpg

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm unsure a clear picture of the events is really possible.
Tom Humphries' book 'Laptop-Dancing and the Nanny-Goat Mambo' (terrible title, I know) is the closest anybody's ever going to get, I think. Humphries was the Irish Times journalist Keane gave the interview. What's clear from reading it is how silly, petty and wasteful the whole thing was, with faults on both sides, and huge misunderstandings.
It's a great sports book anyway, with lots of non-Keano stuff too, highly reccommended.

― Joe Kay (feethurt), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Humphries is generally very good.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

One of the best Irish journalists, in any area.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

When footballers become managers, do they go on all sorts of management training courses?

That's a genuine question, btw. I mean, it seems a bit daft to blame Keane for the things that he did. He's a footballer, he's not a PR person or a sports psychologist or a professional facilitator. I've got no idea what kind of training these guys get, but a lot of what went on in 2002 sounded like the kind of thing that happens in a company where people haven't been taught the simple workplace conflict resolution rules, like don't shout out your problems in front of other people.

That said, I still don't like Roy Keane.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Roy Keane has given us so much joy on this forum over the years, as far as I'm concerned the more cuntish he acts, the better.

The Keano/Detroit techno mutation on the original Darkness thread is one of my favourite things on ILX.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 27 May 2004 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

What Matt said. I am looking forward to more Keano mentalism over the next few months.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 27 May 2004 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

tonight:

keano = ok in first half, but overshadowed by the lads miller and a. reid. top class in second half, never misplaced a pass, extremely cool head.

miller = nimble footwork. motm.

morrison = nailing down his place. reminded me of mark hughes the way he distributed well while hunched down with his back to goal.

robbie keane = usual mixture of muppetry and genius erred too far on the muppetry side.

maybury = surprisingly useful down the left.

a. reid = great long passes and lots of hard graft.

holland = less anonymous than usual. great goal.

we look good. can't wait for the qualifiers.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 27 May 2004 22:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Kilian's summed up most of my feelings about last night (though I wasn't really convinced about Andy Reid)
The crowd's reaction was very pleasing, other good moments were Roy's grin after almost scoring (it would have been that bit too perfect), and his almost apologetic joining in the celebrations after Holland's (it just had to be Holland) goal. And it was good to see a friendly match where we only made one substitution for the whole game.

― Joe Kay (feethurt), Friday, 28 May 2004 10:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought miller looked really good, despite the presence of creeping-mullet and baggy unbecoming ireland shirt.

― cozen (Cozen), Friday, 28 May 2004 10:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha ha, I've just realised that Scotland played a friendly last night and won (Estonia 0 Scotland 1) and I neither knew nor cared. So when do you reckon Keane will join Celtic? End of next season?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 28 May 2004 10:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't see Martin O'Neill pandering to Keane's "love me love me and pad out my pension fund with the only club I ever wanted to play for" schtick.

I would rather have Liam Miller back.

― ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 28 May 2004 10:46 (twenty-two years ago)

It's got to be the most unflattering strip in the entire soccer world. It's such a shitty shade of green - doesn't do anything for the Celtic complexion.

xpost

― penelope_111, Friday, 28 May 2004 10:48 (twenty-two years ago)

xpost.What, you actually think O'Neill will still be at Celtic at the end of next season? Anyway, sorry Irish lads, back to your discussions on Keano.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 28 May 2004 10:48 (twenty-two years ago)

What difference is Liam Miller like to make to Manyoo's next season then? Is it curtains for Nicky Butt?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 28 May 2004 10:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not convinced Liam Miller is good enough to do really well at Man Utd... we shall see

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 28 May 2004 10:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Nicky Butt's more of a side parting man I think Matt

― chris (chris), Friday, 28 May 2004 11:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Liam Miller is a fantastic player and will do well at ManU. Losing him this season as well as Larsson is a huge blow, even if hardly anyone respects the way Miller went about it (I personally don't have a problem with it).

― ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 28 May 2004 11:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmmmmmmm, he's never fully convinced me, he's usually a bit over-eager when he does play and his ball control suffers. If he's playing regularly I imagine this wouldn't be a problem except I don't see him playing any more often for MUtd than he did for Celtic.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 28 May 2004 11:11 (twenty-two years ago)

He has to be better than Darren Fletcher, surely?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 28 May 2004 11:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I hope not because Darren Fletcher is the hope of an entire footballing nation - pathetic isn't it?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 28 May 2004 11:53 (twenty-two years ago)

seven months pass...

the most interesting feature of this thread is that only a few months ago i was excited about the emergence of liam miller.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 10 January 2005 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Why has the Old Trafford talent conveyor belt gone so badly wrong anyway? I thought Man Utd were supposed to be all about bringing young talent up through the ranks but the latest crop of kids is pretty average at best. There's a considerably better collection of young players coming from Arsenal, Spurs, Middlesbrough, Liverpool etc than there is from United.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 10 January 2005 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Who the fuck is Liam Miller?

― .adam (nordicskilla), Monday, 10 January 2005 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Bit-part Man Utd holding midfielder type. Ex-Celtic. Was rubbish against Exeter on Saturday.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 10 January 2005 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha.

Irate Celtic fans (Onimo, ailsa etc) to thread.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 10 January 2005 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, why are Spurs seemingly the only top flight club trying to sign Andy Reid? He's looked like being one of the Republic's best players on the couple of occasions I saw them last year.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 10 January 2005 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Who the fuck is Liam Miller?
-- .adam (adamr...), January 10th, 2005.

quite

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 10 January 2005 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

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