Revenge: The Courts Are Punishing Men For Being Men

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I've always been apathetic if not skeptical about "men's rights"
groups and the like, but having
now seriously faced the issue I am very disturbed.

I discovered a fascinating article online about federal initiatives to "strengthen the
family." According to this article, these initiatives are achieving an opposite effect,
as the government focuses on punitively flogging divorced males, branding them all "deadbeat dads" and blaming them for society's ills.

This article also spells out some nightmarish, Big-Brother-like activities that I would not have associated with Family Courts:

http://www.independent.org/tii/content/pubs/review/tir84_baskerville.html

Found on
http://www.aldaily.com/

It's a long paper, so here's some choice sound bites:

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A punitive quality seems to pervade the treatment of fathers in general throughout divorce court, but the presumption of guilt becomes explicit with accusations of spousal or child abuse. Fathers accused of abuse during divorce are seldom formally charged, tried, or convicted because there is usually no evidence against them; hence, they never receive due process of law or the opportunity to clear their names, let alone recover their children. Yet the accusation alone prohibits a father’s contact with his children and causes his name to be entered into a national database of sex offenders (Parke and Brott 1999, 49–50).

The most serious effect of forcibly removing fathers after quasi-criminal accusations is the abuse of children it induces. Contrary to popular belief, it is not fathers, but mothers—especially single mothers—who are most likely to abuse children.

In family court, it is not unusual for a father earning $35,000 a year to amass $150,000 in attorney’s fees, according to Washington attorney William Dawes. Unlike any other debt, these fees may be collected by incarceration. In fact, unlike the inmates in a medieval debtors’ prison, he is punished even though he did not incur the debt voluntarily. One of the most astonishing practices of family courts is ordering fathers to pay the fees of attorneys, psychotherapists, and other officials they have not hired and summarily jailing them for not complying.

In some jurisdictions, it is a crime to criticize family-court judges or otherwise to discuss family-law cases publicly, and fathers have been arrested for doing so.

A father charged with “civil contempt” connected with child support may be exempted from due process of law and legally presumed guilty until proven innocent.

In the largest federally funded study ever undertaken on the subject, Arizona State University psychologist Sanford Braver demonstrated that few married fathers voluntarily leave their children. Braver found that overwhelmingly it is mothers, not fathers, who are walking away from marriages. Moreover, most of these women do so not with legal grounds such as abuse or adultery but for reasons such as “not feeling loved or appreciated.” The forcibly divorced fathers were also found to pay virtually all child support when they are employed and when they are permitted to see the children they have allegedly abandoned.

Requiring an unimpeachable parent “to finance the filching of his own children,” as attorney Jed Abraham puts it (1999, 151), encourages government officials to seize control of the children, property, and persons of as many citizens as they can, thereby increasing their jurisdiction and the demand for their services.

"The family court is the most powerful branch of the judiciary,” according to Judge Robert Page of the New Jersey Family Court. “The power of family court judges,” by their own assessment, “is almost unlimited” (1993, 9, 11).

Very little information is available on these courts. They usually operate behind closed doors and leave no records.
Most strikingly, they claim exemption from due process of law and even from the Constitution itself.

A father brought before these courts is likely to have only a few hours’ notice of a hearing that may last thirty minutes or less, during which he will lose all decisionmaking authority over his children...his name will be entered on a federal registry, his wages will immediately be garnished, and the government will have access to all his financial information.

No allegations of wrongdoing, either civil or criminal, are required. And no agreement to a divorce or separation is necessary. Yet from this point, if he tries to see his children outside the authorized times or fails to pay the child support (or courtordered attorneys’ fees), he will be subject to arrest.

Orders separating fathers from their children for months, years, and even life are issued without the presentation of any evidence of wrongdoing. A father receiving an order must vacate his residence immediately and make no further contact with his children.
Forcing a father to stay away from his children even though he has done no wrong may provoke precisely the kind of violent response it ostensibly intends to prevent.

Advocates of unilateral divorce portray it as a “citizen’s right” and a “civil liberty,” yet in practice the regime of involuntary divorce has led to authoritarian measures against forcibly divorced parents and others. Some sixty thousand government agents, some of them armed, now enforce child support, approximately thirteen times the worldwide number of Drug Enforcement Administration agents.
These plainclothes police now command sweeping powers to seize property and persons involved involuntarily in divorce proceedings, including the power to issue arrest warrants.


Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Monday, 19 April 2004 05:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Bad thread title, though.

"Men being Men" sounds like "Boys will be Boys"

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 19 April 2004 09:39 (twenty-two years ago)

it should at least be "fathers" rather than men

the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 19 April 2004 09:40 (twenty-two years ago)

It doesn't sound like they're being punished for "being men"; going with the evil-women-divorce-you-&-steal-your-kiddies tone of the article, it sounds like they're being punished for marrying goons.

Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Monday, 19 April 2004 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Fair enough then!

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Monday, 19 April 2004 14:57 (twenty-two years ago)

scrolling down long posts to see poster's name first, c or d?

Ask For Samantha (thatgirl), Monday, 19 April 2004 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Women like money.

CRW (CRW), Monday, 19 April 2004 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Men hate money.

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Monday, 19 April 2004 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Men like having money to attract women.

CRW (CRW), Monday, 19 April 2004 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Schooled again

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Monday, 19 April 2004 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Good Charlotte to thread:

educated
with money
he's well dressed
not funny
and not much to say in most conversations
but he'll foot the bill in
all situations
cause he pays for everything

girls don't like boys
girls like cars and money
boys will laugh at girls when they're not funny

paper or plastic
don't matter she'll have it
vacations and shopping sprees
these are a few of her favorite things
she'll get what she wants if she's willing to please
his type of girl always comes with a fee
hey now, there's nothing for free

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Monday, 19 April 2004 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Men be divorcing!

Huckelborace (Horace Mann), Monday, 19 April 2004 16:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I found out in my divorce that the courts are inclined to treat men worse than women. When my ex asked for maintenance, I asked a lawyer if, if the circumstances were reversed, I could make the same claim, and he told me I had no chance.

On the other hand, this is the first study I've seen that suggests that mothers are more likely to abuse their children than fathers - I have seen studies show the opposite, but I can't cite any now. If I were still with my ex, she could.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 19 April 2004 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)

i imagine different kinds of abuse are more common between, say, mothers and very young children. simply because they are around more often and therefore are more likely to lose patience.

for example, my father has never laid a hand on me but my mother pinched me a few times in moments of understandable frustration.

ryan (ryan), Monday, 19 April 2004 22:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I kind of guess that mother-child abuse is more common, for exactly the reason ryan says.

It would be very hard to do any worthwhile study though, because that kind would be the hardest to detect.

mei (mei), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 07:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Wait, they're doing this for free? This should be big among the Tories, no?

Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I just noticed this thread.

Having a boyf who is going through a divorce and nasty custody/access hearing type stuff I sometimes feel mens groups (the very few that there are) and the like do themselves no favours, and detract from the injustice caused by the Bristish legal system being completely skewed in favour of mothers (probably for very well intetioned and reasons)by ranting on about evil, child abusing, men hating, money grabbing, women all the time.

I'd like to see a well reasoned, balanced argument on the subject for once! Although I think Sir Geldof is doing his best....

smee (smee), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

it's interesting that things have taken this turn now. Before divorce b/c so easy women always got the short end of the stick.

although I could scan up and see, could you summarize the study martin?

ryan's definitely right and I imagine if the study is citing abuse post divorce, well surely it's b/c most kids end up with mothers rather than fathers.

Ask For Samantha (thatgirl), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, there are far more single mothers than single fathers.

There have been many studies that show men abuse children more than women - this is even more true of sexual abuse than other kinds. I can't remember numbers specific to this issue - but I do remember that studies have suggested that something between 20 and 25% of relationships (between M and F adults) are abusive at any given time - and despite the odd bonkers study claiming that men are victims as much as women, no serious study has ever come near this conclusion; and other studies (these are generally major government studies in the UK) have found that over 80% of men who abuse their partner who have children also abuse the children. My wife was on the child protection panel (the public body that oversees social work problems, enquires into non-routine (!) child deaths and so on) here in London, and it obviously wasn't only men who were at fault, but it was abundantly clear that they were much the worst offenders.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

This is exactly why L-dawg's momma & me have worked so hard to keep courts out of our shit.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 18:14 (twenty-two years ago)

The most depressing place I ever worked was a one week assignment fixing and sorting files at the Family Court in Indianapolis. Beyond acres and acres of files, the office was designed and lighted by some one with a Kafka fascination circa 1972.

earlnash, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I remember reading someplace that stepfathers or boyfriends-of-mothers are particularly likely to abuse very young children.

Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not sure that that is supported by studies - I think I read one study that found that stepfathers (whether married or not) were no more likely to abuse the child than their real fathers, but I am not absolutely certain of this one.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)


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