Tall Asians: C or D?

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Frankly, I'm not sure how I feel about them.

Yao Ming...my brother's friend. They kinda freak me out.

― aNatheMa (aNatheMa), Saturday, 24 April 2004 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I knew one. He had a deep voice. All the girls liked him. I didn't care.

― Aja (aja), Saturday, 24 April 2004 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh hang on. Asian = Oriental or Asian = sub-continent?

― Johnney B (Johnney B), Saturday, 24 April 2004 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

i think i'm just gonna sit back and enjoy seeing how this one plays out.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 24 April 2004 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Wise.

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 24 April 2004 18:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I hear Maradona is actually 6ft 5, he just hides it well.

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 24 April 2004 18:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Asians drive like this . . .

― Johnney B (Johnney B), Saturday, 24 April 2004 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Only because they're so tall.

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 24 April 2004 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Asians be driving!

― Johnney B (Johnney B), Saturday, 24 April 2004 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought I read that the height difference was actually dietary not genetic.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Saturday, 24 April 2004 18:33 (twenty-two years ago)

http://espn.starwave.com/media/nba/2004/0422/photo/a_ming_vi.jpg

Yao looking like the Angel muppet from a couple of months ago.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 24 April 2004 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)

My wife is a tall Asian, and I love her.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 24 April 2004 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)

And having met her, I can say she is tres cool!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 April 2004 21:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Tall Asian is 5'10" surely???

― sLeeeter kinney (Leee), Saturday, 24 April 2004 22:37 (twenty-two years ago)

(say yes)

― sLeeeter kinney (Leee), Saturday, 24 April 2004 22:45 (twenty-two years ago)

This is the greatest thing I've read all day:

I knew one. He had a deep voice. All the girls liked him. I didn't care.

-- Aja (AsiaKitty200...), April 24th, 2004.

― Molly P., Saturday, 24 April 2004 22:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I hear Maradona is actually 6ft 5, he just hides it well.

Did someone relocate Argentina when I wasn't looking?

― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 24 April 2004 22:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Asia is pretty big continent and heavily populated with a lot people and pretty diverse set of racial characteristics. Y'all know this right?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 24 April 2004 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)

No Alex I had no idea! I thought they were all from Thailand!

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 24 April 2004 22:53 (twenty-two years ago)

See that's just not true, John.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 24 April 2004 22:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I think technically I'm Asian. Is 5'11" tall?

― Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 24 April 2004 22:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Technically no.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 24 April 2004 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah good, I'm exempt from being C/D. Er, if I'm technically Asian.

This thread is hurting my braaaaain.

― Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 24 April 2004 23:06 (twenty-two years ago)

6'1" here...

― ModJ (ModJ), Sunday, 25 April 2004 00:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I see tall Asians all the time. I also see short Asians all the time.

How am I to draw blanket conclusions?

― Debito (Debito), Sunday, 25 April 2004 01:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Through canny use of racisim, natch.

― ModJ (ModJ), Sunday, 25 April 2004 01:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, racism. Is there anything it can't do?

― Sym (shmuel), Sunday, 25 April 2004 01:43 (twenty-two years ago)

It can't stop threads like this? *sigh*

― Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 25 April 2004 01:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I see tall Asians all the time.

You do not! This thread may be racist, but arguing against sterotypes in the face of facts is dishonest.

― Verbal (Verbal), Sunday, 25 April 2004 02:18 (twenty-two years ago)

You're right.

The tall Asians I see aren't Asians at all. They can't be.

― Debito (Debito), Sunday, 25 April 2004 03:13 (twenty-two years ago)

A racist statement: mean height in China (for example) is lower than mean height in the United States.

― Dan I., Sunday, 25 April 2004 03:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't even get me started about how racist it would be if you were to say that most Native Americans have type O blood! OMG!

― Dan I., Sunday, 25 April 2004 03:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Many Icelanders have blonde hair!? You horrible bigot!

― Dan I., Sunday, 25 April 2004 03:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Uh, there's a clear difference between "generally people from Asia are shorter than people from North America" and "HOLY SHIT THAT TALL ASIAN FREAKED ME OUT"

― C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Sunday, 25 April 2004 03:20 (twenty-two years ago)

That's true.

― Dan I., Sunday, 25 April 2004 03:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I've seen lot of Asians in my time. A lot. Lived in the Asian part of Houston, even, which was bad because there were Asian gangs, which, make no mistake, were every ounce as bad as any gang you've ever heard of. I've been friends with Asians, at times best friends. Had Asians over for dinner more times than I can count. I've been around Asians in one way or another for a long, long time. And yet, there are very very few of those Asians than I would ever describe as "tall." That's all I'm saying.

― Verbal (Verbal), Sunday, 25 April 2004 03:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, it's more along the lines of "Blacks Without Diabetes: C/D?"

― C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Sunday, 25 April 2004 03:22 (twenty-two years ago)

x-post

― C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Sunday, 25 April 2004 03:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Argh, Strongo in being very wise non-shocker. I think I'll follow his example now.

― Dan I., Sunday, 25 April 2004 03:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Blacks Without Diabetes: C/D?"

don't you mean sickle cell anemia?

― Ask For Samantha (thatgirl), Sunday, 25 April 2004 03:26 (twenty-two years ago)

TS: Racism vs Bigotry

― Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 25 April 2004 03:27 (twenty-two years ago)

don't you mean sickle cell anemia?

A toughie. Could mean colon cancer, could mean heart disease. There's a whole host of things blacks are more likely to get. Just be thankful you're not Native American.

― Verbal (Verbal), Sunday, 25 April 2004 03:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I probably should've gone w/sickle-cell, but I'm pretty sure diabetes is more prevalent in African Americans as well.

― C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Sunday, 25 April 2004 03:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I was referring to genetic predisposition.

― Ask For Samantha (thatgirl), Sunday, 25 April 2004 03:38 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040405fa_fact

― teeny (teeny), Sunday, 25 April 2004 03:39 (twenty-two years ago)

actually, that study oversampled the elderly. also, fact is that germans are every bit as fat as americans but still an inch taller so then why isn't junk food causing them to shrink in stature.
immigration is the likely culprit. pat buchanan will be blaming american diminutiveness on the foreigners and demanding his wall along the southern border once again. old height studies in the usa were based only on babies born in ohio.

― keith m (keithmcl), Sunday, 25 April 2004 06:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I just don't quite understand 'Tall Asians: C or D?'

I mean what is that saying. It's not racist, exactly. But it is stupid. Obviously, there are a lot of tall Asians. Are they classic or dud? I have no idea what that means.

― Debito (Debito), Sunday, 25 April 2004 06:17 (twenty-two years ago)

fact is that germans are every bit as fat as americans but still an inch taller so then why isn't junk food causing them to shrink in stature.

44.5% of Americans are obese (BBC) compared to 36.5% of Germans.

actually, that study oversampled the elderly.

Komlos made many studies, broken down by many criteria:

'But recently [Komlos] has scoured his data for people who’ve bucked the national trend. He has subdivided the [USA]’s heights by race, sex, income, and education. He has looked at whites alone, at blacks alone, at people with advanced degrees and those in the highest income bracket. Somewhere in the United States, he thinks, there must be a group that’s both so privileged and so socially insulated that it’s growing taller. He has yet to find one.'

Immigration is not the culprit. American inequality (the only thing growing there) and a culture which does not value good food is the problem.

― Momus (Momus), Sunday, 25 April 2004 07:03 (twenty-two years ago)

"a culture which does not value good food"

Ouch. I didn't realize my 'culture' doesn't value good food.

― Debito (Debito), Sunday, 25 April 2004 08:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm English, and we don't value good food (I love pork scratchings, but COME ON) and we're reasoably tall . . . I think.

― Johnney B (Johnney B), Sunday, 25 April 2004 09:49 (twenty-two years ago)

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If you're poor and miserable is it or is it not a lifestyle choice to drink or drug yourself insensible, smoke like a chimney and gamble what little money you have?

Good thing you were careful to try and paint me as some sort of snob after this, could have been risky!

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 26 April 2004 10:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Well it would have been iffy and snobbish if you'd said it Ronan. If you are poor and miserable then all those choices are valid ones. But anyway, fuck it, I'm not going to fall out with you just because you called me a wanker, that's pretty silly isn't it?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 26 April 2004 10:02 (twenty-two years ago)

The Guardian are doing a special on the new EU member states and in the factoid box which accompanies each one, there is an entry for 'Dish' which is meant to reflect local cuisine. They list these favourites of formerly Communist nations:

Hungary: Mecsek highwayman's dumpling soup (stuffed dumplings in soup)
Lithuania: Cepelinai (potato dumplings in onion and sour cream sauce)
Poland: Zrazy zawijane (mushroom-stuffed beefsteak rolls in sour cream)
Slovenia: Burek (a 'greasy, layered pie served in take-aways')
Czech Republic: Vepøo knedlo zelo (roast pork with dumplings and sauerkraut)
Slovakia: Bryndzove Halusky (small potato dumplings with sheep cheese)
Estonia: Verivorst (black and white pudding, the meat sort)
Latvia: Piragi (Latvian bacon buns)

I can kind of feel my arteries clogging just reading that list. Oh, to be a travelling heart surgeon in the new EU states.

Americans eat what fills them up, like anyone, and from my POV are more likely to eat to induce comfort or to slake anxiety, especially if 'working poor' and the whole super-size issue appeals to the bulk bargain buyer/oral fixation element. There's a little poverty neurosis too, where one imagines an interruption in supplies or the starving Other is invoked when kids are asked to clean their plates (cue Suzy unloading uneaten tuna casserole into addressed UNICEF box aged 6; mom backed down) '32 oz of soda for two bucks when the 8-oz small is a buck? Gimme Coke lake now!' The main thing that gives me the heebie-jeebies about food in the US is the amount of adulteration allowed, the battery farming and the very corporate GM lobby that the British public are not scared of saying no to.

Also, for the life of me I cannot remember my mum or anyone else's making hamburgers for lunch, it's strictly a school dinners or out-to-lunch thing (every female member of my immediate family has been a short order cook in the same drugstore diner so our hamburgers are fabulous when we make them due to fussiness about ingredients. My mum's gran came from Krakow and had a Polish café so she was taught to make most of the stuff they're eating in the new EU states). The *worst* processed food we had were Swenson's chicken and vegetable pies or Tater Tots and usually we had good (deli-type) sandwiches with soup and one or two pieces of fruit each. My mom looked down, WAY down, on our neighbours who served their kids Spagettios, Chef Boy-ar-dee, Top Ramen and Kraft dinners for lunch and Trix and Coco Pops for breakfast instead of Cheerios.

Now I go home and I open her fridge and there are PIES and YUCKY AMERICAN CHEESES and PORK+NITRATES in abundance, while the lone, sad lettuce gets moldy in a crisper.

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 26 April 2004 10:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Thank you for suzy for derailing the fite

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 26 April 2004 10:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah it was touch and go for a minute there.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 26 April 2004 10:07 (twenty-two years ago)

If you are poor and miserable then all those choices are valid ones.

'I think I will kill myself. This is a perfectly valid response to my poverty, and my right as a loser. Death is part of my freedom of choice.'

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 26 April 2004 10:13 (twenty-two years ago)

They are a valid response to misery Momus, they are obviously not anyone's preferred response.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 26 April 2004 10:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm afraid I see all defences of self-destructive behaviour as 'rockism' or evidence that someone has a secret goth streak.

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 26 April 2004 10:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha ha, I've got to be terribly elitist here and rush off and see a Berio concert. What a class traitor (who, me or Berio?)

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 26 April 2004 10:21 (twenty-two years ago)

If you're poor and miserable in America I can tell you one of the main reasons for that would be an inadequate health care system which relies on employers to provide employees with a health care package, but if you're in the grey area between AFDC support and full, benefits-laden employment you get fuck all and live in a kind of anxiety about medical matters all the time. And for the most part the people causing this inequality are insurers and penny-pinching bosses who are all a-OK with the system as it is now because THEY get help, and screw everyone else into the bargain. I know so many people kept on terms which see them working that bit less than the statutory marker for coverage in conjunction with the employer, purely because that employer either can't afford or does not want the cost of insuring employees. but they're happy to take out a 'dead peasant' policy which pays them if said employee gets killed on the premises.

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 26 April 2004 10:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Communism for America now!

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 26 April 2004 10:29 (twenty-two years ago)

(Or at the very least universal health care, but until some brilliant, clever person manages to de-fang the insurance-industry lobby it just ain't gonna happen)

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 26 April 2004 10:34 (twenty-two years ago)

We'll hump that Hillary when we get her.

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 26 April 2004 10:38 (twenty-two years ago)

What an awful mental picture.

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 26 April 2004 10:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Better than the image of 41 million Americans without health insurance, all screaming in agony and asking for a dime.

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 26 April 2004 10:48 (twenty-two years ago)

(Or 75 million, depending on how you count.)

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 26 April 2004 10:50 (twenty-two years ago)

(also huge bloat/rise in cost of plans almost certainly down to cost and prevalence of what Americans now casually call 'meds')

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 26 April 2004 10:56 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread is even worse than strongo had anticipated

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 26 April 2004 11:29 (twenty-two years ago)

My self-employed mom pays $3600 a year for medical insurance which has a $1000 deductible and NO dental insurance, which is a separate matter. She says that healthcare is her main 'issue' as a voter but still cast hers for that fucker Bush. DUHHHHHH.

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 26 April 2004 11:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah I got no insurance at all. Not to derail but 8 years of Dems in office didn't exactly improve the insurance situation, though.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 26 April 2004 11:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Communism for America now!

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 26 April 2004 11:43 (twenty-two years ago)

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 26 April 2004 11:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I couldn't get into the Berio gig! So much for Marxism!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 26 April 2004 11:49 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread is even worse than strongo had anticipated

What, because Strongo thought the racist stereotypes would fly, when instead people bandied statistics about height, life expectancy and health provision about? It seems to me that the thread went to an unexpectedly dignified place after wobbly beginnings. Only some kind of Dick Cheney would think this clarity was a bad development.

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 26 April 2004 12:25 (twenty-two years ago)

"unexpectedly dignified" = "there was much Momus"

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 26 April 2004 12:29 (twenty-two years ago)

This is just going to end with Stephin Merrit in front of a giant Momus pictorial and the 4AD label boss dancing in the spotlight, isn't it?

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 26 April 2004 12:33 (twenty-two years ago)

we can only hope

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 26 April 2004 12:34 (twenty-two years ago)

"unexpectedly dignified" = "there was much Momus"

"even worse than anticipated" = "there was much Momus"

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 26 April 2004 12:38 (twenty-two years ago)

At least he kept his trousers on in this thread

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 26 April 2004 12:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Momus dammit I was saving the apodosis for when you responded, now look what you've done

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 26 April 2004 12:41 (twenty-two years ago)

apodosis?

Have you got a cold or sumthin'?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 26 April 2004 12:43 (twenty-two years ago)

You learn these words by scouring the web for cheap dental insurance for US residents, don't you?

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 26 April 2004 12:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Momus it used to be so hard to make you mad

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 26 April 2004 12:49 (twenty-two years ago)

This is a good word, I will commit it to memory and regurgitate all down an ILXor at some time in the future

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 26 April 2004 12:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I am calmly, sweetly sane -- to the point of teleothegmatogensis, John.

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 26 April 2004 12:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean I used to have to work up a real lather to get a rise out of you and now I gotta do to get you to start flexin' is show up

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 26 April 2004 12:55 (twenty-two years ago)

J0hn, my posts in this thread have almost all been about the topic. Yours, on the other hand, have been about your wife and me. You're an ad hominem kinda poster and I'm an ad topicans kinda poster.

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 26 April 2004 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)

he fancies you Momus.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 26 April 2004 13:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I know! It's a bit embarrassing.

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 26 April 2004 13:05 (twenty-two years ago)

He's seen the photos - but then, hasn't everyone?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 26 April 2004 13:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I come here to spread statistics which show that Marx was right. If others come to flirt, use abstruse words and to complain that they don't have dental insurance, that's their business.

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 26 April 2004 13:08 (twenty-two years ago)

It would be ungracious not to admit defeat here. I am however most interested in this word "topicans" with whose derivation I am unfamiliar

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 26 April 2004 13:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Since you were kind enough to admit defeat, I'll admit I made it up. But if enough people adopt it, it will be a real word one day, a sort of gene-lab pig latin. (By the way, I did not make up the British Medical Journal stats above showing that life expectancy is falling in communist countries which have adopted the market economy.)

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 26 April 2004 13:26 (twenty-two years ago)

you are benevolent and kind, sire

now pls. admit that you know very well I don't need a dictionary for "apodosis": that was a low blow

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 26 April 2004 13:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay, it's me who needs the dictionary -- and the dental treatment. Do we shag now or later, baby? (Bears horrifying mouth filled with British 'gravestone' teeth.)

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 26 April 2004 13:40 (twenty-two years ago)

c'mon up to my place, I'll show you my first-edition English translation of The Wretched of the Earth

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 26 April 2004 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Alternatively, there's this little cinema I know where they're always showing The Sorrow and the Pity.

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 26 April 2004 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)

You two should just read about your cameos here (you do not shag, though).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 April 2004 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...

very good read, and underappreciated classic. hat tip to momus.

― modestmickey, Friday, 13 April 2007 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

― chap, Friday, 13 April 2007 12:08 (nineteen years ago)

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