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master kirk cameron drops some science:

http://www.wayofthemaster.com/welcome.shtml

mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I love when people do this door-to-door.

"Let me ask you something - If you died right now, would you go to heaven?"

NOTE: If you intend to ever get back to whatever the fuck it was you were doing, DO NOT TELL THEM YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN HEAVEN. That way lies pain!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 14:10 (twenty-two years ago)

"writing the answers to a test on your shoes is a sin punishable by death."

mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

"thou shalt not steal boner's girl."

mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't realise I'd broken so many commandments. Fire and brimstone and gnashing of teeth for me, it seems.

Cathy (Cathy), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 14:16 (twenty-two years ago)

WAYOFTHEMASTER.COM?

Now I have this vision of Kirk stumbling around with swollen knees saying "ThE mAsTeR wOuLdN't LiKe It If YoU sInNed..."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I want so badly to hack that site and replace the spoken Cameron bits with Jandek's "Quinn Boys II."

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah, but is this the way of the COLEMAN?

briania, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw this on TV. They are so mean!

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Chicken Mercies

I am writing this article from New Orleans, Louisiana during the city's most decadent party of the year--Mardi gras. Parades everywhere, bars open 24/7, open alcohol container laws, public flashers, colorful beads and coins flying through the air are what make this a pre-Lent party destination for hundreds of thousands. I, however, am here for a different reason; Chelsea and I are on location, filming a new Growing Pains reunion movie with all the Seavers.

As you can imagine, I'm desperate to see my unsaved TV family members come to the Lord, and my heart is thrilled by this opportunity to share the gospel with them. But I have a problem. Let me give you some behind-the-scenes, Seaver family background. E! Entertainment recently did a special on my spirituality in which they interviewed my TV family, airing their negative comments about my conversion to Christianity. Even the Growing Pains producers were wildly frustrated with me, due to my "content issues," and they didn't hesitate to voice their disapproval, and as a result, I'm a bit nervous about talking with them about the things of God.

So here I am on the set, welling up with zeal to share my faith with these people I love, while at the same time feeling like an evangelistic chicken. Have you ever felt that way with people closest to you? My heart pounds with compassion to speak with Ben, Carol, Jason and Maggie (Chrissy is a believer!), but that stifling fear of rejection and ridicule is always there to try and shut me up. If you could see me in the spiritual realm, I would be the guy in the chicken suit--covered with feathers, walking around the set with webbed feet, pathetically struggling to open his beak and let out even a single "chirp" for the Lord.

In light of my dilemma, I asked the Lord to open doors for conversations about the gospel and fill me with courage and compassion for the lost. Shortly afterward, the doors began to open. The cast and I were at a swanky restaurant reception when Alan Thicke (Jason Seaver) told me that he'd heard from a friend of his that I had preached a provocative message ("Soundly Saved") at a church recently and that he wanted to talk about it. He then shared some of his spiritual beliefs with me and I had a brief opportunity to do the same with him. A feather from my suit fell to the ground.

On the way home from the party, Jeremy Miller (Ben Seaver) said he had seen an episode of The Way of the Master and was interested in seeing more. We talked briefly about the program and I gave him the "Private Screening" DVD and a copy of, Hell's Best Kept Secret. He said he'd check them out and let me know his thoughts. Later, he saw The Passion of the Christ, was in tears, shell-shocked, and said he was ready to listen to the CD I'd given him. We went to dinner and he asked for another copy of the CD to give to his girlfriend.

The next day, I was talking with Ashley Johnson (Chrissy) about The Way of the Master and gave her a copy of "Soundly Saved" when I heard "Oh Kirk, I want one of those!" It was Joanna Kerns (Maggie) wanting to learn more about my new ministry.

To top it off, Joe Scarborough and MSNBC called me, wanting to do a 15 minute interview regarding my views of The Passion of the Christ and Christianity in Hollywood, which will give me a chance to declare the true, biblical gospel to millions of people. On the way home, I asked my taxi cab driver if he had seen the movie. He said he hadn't and that he was a French atheist--a "child of Voltaire." I reasoned with him about the existence of God and the truth about his sin and desperate need of forgiveness. I told him I'd pray for him even though he didn't yet believe in God, so that listen to his conscience and come to his senses and embrace the gift God has offered in Christ. He thanked me and took a "Good News/Bad News" Ice Breaker to read later.

In the past few days, I have had the privilege of sharing the gospel with drivers, cameramen, electricians, police officers, and local visitors and teenagers. It seems that God in His grace saw my weakness, and responded to my prayers by sending me special encouragement and opportunities to share my faith. If you fear sharing your faith, pray for chicken mercies. Watch as God opens the doors, and then be sure to walk through them.

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Bring back Lions in the Arena.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

He thanked me and took a "Good News/Bad News" Ice Breaker to read later.

morris pavilion (samjeff), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Is he preaching at a gay pride parade in that picture on the webiste???

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:36 (twenty-two years ago)

apparently he was unable to get thru to carol (cue "seems like old times")

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I remember reading a few months back that he basically lives off of money from his sister Candace, who invested her Full House money more wisely than Kirk.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Where can I sign up for the Children of Voltaire cab service?

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I love thinking about the Seavers praying together.

mcd (mcd), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

actually i love picturing them standing in line at the olive garden and alan thicke trying to break the uncomfortable silence by saying 'so...jesus'.

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

james that blog entry or whatever the hell is amazing.

mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

...as long as we got each other, we got the world spinning right in our hands...

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

why is mocking of and advocating violence against some ones v. serious and heart felt beliefs funny ?

anthony, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

This is a good question.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 19:08 (twenty-two years ago)

becuz these beliefs are fucking up my country/planet?

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 19:10 (twenty-two years ago)

We've secretly switched our regular Momus with these Blount crystals...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 19:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Mocking someone's beliefs is only funny if that person is Kirk Cameron.

NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 19:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I was hoping that clicking "yes" would lead to some sweet flash animation of my rad ass going to fucking heaven y'all.

dean!dean!dean (deangulberry), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 19:22 (twenty-two years ago)

"why is mocking...some ones v. serious and heart felt beliefs funny ?"

do you actually know any hardcore evangelical christians? i know too fucking many. people who don't encounter them regularly often make that assumption, that because their beliefs are "sincere" or "heartfelt" that they're essentially sweet and harmless, if misguided.
but really, like kirk cameron, they're insufferable. very smug and condescending, but cloaked in a false coat of "niceness" or "wholesomeness". who says that he really cares about me just because he cares about my salvation? according to his beliefs, he loves god (or should love god) more than anyone, even his family and friends. he is just doing what he sees as god's work, it's not necessarily real compassion. in order to avoid hell, he HAS to accept jesus and spread the gospel, convert more people, bring them to god. no matter how much feel-good language it's dressed up in, evangelical christian theology is very fear-driven and sometimes even nihilistic and hateful. it's almost as bad as Islamic fundamentalism in many ways, sans the violence.
I don't have much sympathy for fully grown, educated adults who adopt this nonsense.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 06:43 (twenty-two years ago)

And i'm sorry if that makes me a calloused religion-bashing ignorant dolt but that's what these people make me feel.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 06:45 (twenty-two years ago)

haha - "sans the violence"

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 06:45 (twenty-two years ago)

not lately brutha! (lately = past 2000 years)

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 06:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Christianity, the Non-Violent Religion*

*Please ignore the countless centuries of oppression and bloodshed.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 06:53 (twenty-two years ago)

This, like so many other things, makes me sad. I am a Christian, and I have to agree with the general sentiment here. I can so sympathize with Muslims these days. Or Americans. We really don't suck. But some people are lying to you and saying that they are __________ and are ruining it for all of us. 0h, well.

Speedy (Speedy Gonzalas), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 06:55 (twenty-two years ago)

i wasn't referring to Christianity as a whole but to evangelical christianity (the modern form) in the western world especially the united states.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 06:59 (twenty-two years ago)

But its relative (i repeat, relative) non-violence compared to islamic extremism is more a product of our (comparatively) more stable society. I reckon.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 07:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyway my point was that evangelical christians should not be dismissed as harmless or "sweet", like people who believe in a flat earth or go looking for bigfoot.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 07:16 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, we got your back dude!

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 07:16 (twenty-two years ago)

well put, latebloomer, If I look over my shoulder into the MCR I an see on the big screan the daily spewings of the anti-evolution gnome. I'm suprised they've got any footage to show of him given that they have had to cut all of the anti gay invective hat nearly got the channel put off air.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 07:24 (twenty-two years ago)

There are plenty of extremely violent Muslims out there, extreme Islamists who would love nothing more than to see people such as myself dead because we would never entertain the thought of converting to any other religion. They view us as unclean, evil "infidels" and will not rest until we're either Muslims ourselves or we're dead. And since I will never even entertain the thought of living life as a non-Christian, that means The Long Good Night to me.

In fact, I'm more scared of extremist Muslims than I am of people who are in the Church of Satan, who at least would leave me alone.

Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 08:23 (twenty-two years ago)

There are many many many more non 'etremist mulsims' who abide by the koranic doctrine to respect people of the book, i.e. jews, christians etc. and, and to respect all the children of abraham, i.e jews christians, etc.

I am a aetheist and much more indanger of people following koranic doctrine and not one of my muslim colleagues has once tried to kill or convert me.

Dee please shut up or go out and learn something about islam before spouting your vile bigotry.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 08:36 (twenty-two years ago)

At least my disdain for all religions is based on some degree of knowledge and investigation.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 08:38 (twenty-two years ago)

My intolerance of atheists and their didactic bullying is rising as fast as my intolerance of religous bigots.

Super-Kate (kate), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 08:41 (twenty-two years ago)

The blind subservience to US nationalist propaganda in dee's post makes my bile rise. Unfortunately I am exposed to far too much uninformed bigotry at the moment to calm my own irrational intolerances. Yes there are plenty of sane rational christians, muslims, staanists whatever. Unfortunately I am exposed to a certain kind of christain gay bashing bigot on a daily basis, that sometimes, to my shame, I have no desire to be rational.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 08:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think Dee's post is bigoted. She acknowledges that dangerous, extremist Muslims exist in the world. They do.

It depends how many she means by 'plenty', and whether she thinks that there is something inherent in Islam which encourages violent hatred of other faiths.

Cathy (Cathy), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 11:31 (twenty-two years ago)

We are living in an age of increasing intolerance, if you can't beat 'em join 'em, the old saying goes. I see no very little point in being tolerant to viewpoints that I find objectional. We're heading for so kind of Stalinist fascist nightmare anyway so why not try and shape it to my pecadilloes instead of anyone elses.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 11:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks for admitting that. Now please check your Moral High Ground as an atheist at the door.

Super-Kate (kate), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 11:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I have no moral high ground.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 11:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I only have my own biased opinions.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 11:59 (twenty-two years ago)

For fuck's sake Ed, you can't take a post that very clearly marks itself as being directed at EXTREMISTS and treat it like it's directed at EVERYBODY. Learn to read.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 12:53 (twenty-two years ago)

i know evanglical xians, and i have serious problems w. their theological bent...and i discuss that, their theology.

anthony, Wednesday, 28 April 2004 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)


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