Ulysses: POODOO chapter

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POO: Eumeas (underrated!)
DOO: Oxen (or all the Stephen ones)

Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Thursday, 29 April 2004 05:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh I can never remember the names.

Pick: the last section (though the next-to-last comes a close second)
Destroy: the third-to-last: I never got a foot in the door with that one.

Oxen is the "play" one, right? That's the chapter that got me excited about the book in the first place (though no, I never did get through it).

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 29 April 2004 05:34 (twenty-two years ago)

As far as FW goes:

Pick: I.7, with IV and I.6 close behind.
Destroy: Oh, probably III.3 or III.4, since I never did get around to reading them much. Of those I did read, I.4 (though I'm halfway tempted to say II.2...).

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 29 April 2004 05:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Eumeas = third to last! Granted, I picked it because I knew lots of people hate it, but the writing is hilarious.

The play chapter is Circe. Oxen is the one where Bloom and Stephen meet at the hospital (with the "maturing" English, starting from Latin and ending with American).

For FW, POO: ALP's soliloquy. And I'm in no position to destroy.

Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Thursday, 29 April 2004 05:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Eumeaus (spell it right) is as funny as Cyclops (the one with the horrendous lists/first person narrator), though if I'm to be more serious, Sirens would be my choice.

Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Thursday, 29 April 2004 05:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yes. Oxen is pretty iffy.

By "ALP's soliloquy" do you mean I.8 ("O tell me all about Anna Livia!", etc.)? That's neither a soliloquy or spoken by ALP. But it is a good place to start FW -- though it's also a bit played, and despite being quite nice is not the section that has brought me the most joy.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 29 April 2004 07:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Sigh: "nor". And I meant to add that I might be totally forgetting some actual ALP soliloquy in there somewhere.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 29 April 2004 07:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh I can never remember the names.

that's as it should be in a way because the chapters aren't named, by Joyce at least. they came to be commonly Known by the Odyssey section names once Stuart Gilbert's book came out (1930) Joyce himself thought the book should ultimately exist independently of its Odyssey references and that why he removed the chapter names.

anyway...

POO Sirens wins over Nestor (only just)
DOO Cyclops, maybe?

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 29 April 2004 09:10 (twenty-two years ago)

J'adore

Telemachus

Nestor

Lotus-Eaters

Aeolus

Lestrygonians

Sirens

Cyclops

Eumaeus

Ithaca

and I guess j'aime the rest an' all.

the finefox, Thursday, 29 April 2004 11:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Oxen a little iffy? it's my favourite favourite!

Robbie Lumsden (Wallace Stevens HQ), Thursday, 29 April 2004 11:46 (twenty-two years ago)

ALP's soliloquy is the last ~20 pages of FW.

You can't destroy Cylcops, sez I!

Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Thursday, 29 April 2004 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

FW pp. 615-619 ("Dear..." until "...amber too.") are a copy of the "letter in the midden heap" but I don't think the whole thing is ALP speaking.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 29 April 2004 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Very Best: Ithaca

Second Bests: Penelope
Second Bests: Proteus
Second Bests: Nausikaa
Second Bests: Nausikaa

Worst: Eumeus

Second Worst: Cyclops

The Second Drummer Drowned (Atila the Honeybun), Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)

the one with "If he had smiled, why would he have smiled?" I was gonna post that monologue as a joke on the other thread but I forgot to.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:57 (twenty-two years ago)

You guys clearly don't know funny.

Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Thursday, 29 April 2004 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

pick: penelope or circe.

destroy: eumeus or cyclops. after three readings, they still never managed to hold my attention as much as the other.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I have half a mind to say that 'Penelope' is the weakest thing in teh book.

I am not wholly alone in this possible view.

the finefox, Saturday, 1 May 2004 12:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Its weakness is its strength, do you see?

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 1 May 2004 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll second that.... sort of. Penelope's 'weakness' only appears in its proximity to the incredible articulation of Bloom's voice. I think Molly comes off as, perhaps, one of the most identifiable characters in all of Western fiction: and her monologue provides an excellent divorce-point from the Bloom-voice, from which it allows a helpful respite at the end of the text.

Admittedly, I'm 1.75 to the wind right now.

The Second Drummer Drowned (Atila the Honeybun), Saturday, 1 May 2004 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't agree that its weakness is its strength.

But I am still not certain whether I think it is, relatively, weak.

What I am getting at is not Molly's passivity, the chapter's saminess or anything like that - that's all good. I'm getting at the kind of doubt that eg. John Banville has about it, when he calls it a brilliant fraud. I think that the chapter has more *false notes* in it than the others -- I think that's what worries me about it, at the end of such a pitch-perfect performance.

the finefox, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:50 (twenty-two years ago)

nine years pass...

shit, i almost forgot bloomsday

j., Sunday, 16 June 2013 18:57 (thirteen years ago)

I only just realised today's date. Happy Bloomsday all.

emil.y, Sunday, 16 June 2013 18:59 (thirteen years ago)

Happy bloomsday y'all

Treeship, Sunday, 16 June 2013 19:01 (thirteen years ago)

My pick only one is hades, but all are essential

Treeship, Sunday, 16 June 2013 19:02 (thirteen years ago)

Happy Bloomsday!

I spent most of my Bloomsday wondering where the fuck my Ulysses edition is. A friend must have borrowed it... but who?

Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 16 June 2013 19:33 (thirteen years ago)

spent a bunch of the day thinking about fatherhood which seems apt

possible badger on malware thread (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 16 June 2013 19:40 (thirteen years ago)

Hades my pick too. Love the finely calibrated disdain of Simon Dedalus and Powers for Bloom.

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 16 June 2013 19:44 (thirteen years ago)

You only have one copy of Ulysses?? Xp

Treeship, Sunday, 16 June 2013 20:33 (thirteen years ago)

No, I have two, one in Dutch translation and an English one. But I can't read Ulysses - or a lot of books, really - translated. And it is precisely the English one that I am missing right now.

Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 16 June 2013 20:44 (thirteen years ago)

Am I walking into eternity along Sandymount strand? Crush, crack, crick, crick. Wild sea money.

Liquid Plejades, Sunday, 16 June 2013 22:32 (thirteen years ago)


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