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Feud escalates between Toronto columnist and right-wing U.S. commentator
By John McKay
TORONTO (CP) — Should an escalating spat between a right-wing U.S. media personality and a Toronto TV columnist be added to the agenda of cross-border irritants Prime Minister Paul Martin and U.S. President George W. Bush will thrash out during their meeting Friday in Washington?
After all, the issues that currently divide many Canadians and Americans — from the Iraq war to same-sex marriages — seem to be embodied in the verbal mud-slinging between Fox News Channel commentator Bill O’Reilly and the Globe and Mail’s John Doyle.
O’Reilly was once the nice-guy host of TV’s syndicated Inside Edition, but now to many resembles an ultra-conservative shark on a political feeding frenzy, taking on all comers on his Fox TV program, as well as on his radio show and in columns and books. In his Wednesday online column (www.billoreilly.com), he proposed a boycott of Canada and its products if two U.S. military deserters who fled to Canada are given the asylum they’ve requested.
He has, as well, called Canadians dishonest pinheads — and worse.
O’Reilly decided to take on Doyle after the columnist endorsed a proposal before the CRTC to bring the Fox News Channel into Canada, adding that Canadian TV viewers needed a good laugh.
“O’Reilly makes our Ed the Sock look like a reasonable chap,” Doyle wrote in his Thursday column, which he began by calling Fox News and its supporters “the lunatic fringe of the American culture.”
Earlier in the week, Doyle wrote that Canadians should find out for themselves if “this Bill O’Reilly fella is as stupendously pompous and preening as he appears to be in the rare clips we see of Fox News.”
Such an attitude seemed to infuriate O’Reilly, who then invited several Globe columnists onto his shows. He called the Globe a far-left paper and Doyle a Canadian intellectual.
O’Reilly has also written about the Chretien administration’s disdain for Bush, the Canadian media’s “brutal” treatment of the United States and even the incident in which some Montreal hockey fans booed the American national anthem.
“Do the Canadian people have any idea how close they are to serious pain?” he asked, adding that “storm clouds are gathering to the south ... it’s going to get mighty cold mighty fast west of the St. Lawrence.”
This is the same O’Reilly who earlier this year ejected from his show some relatives of victims of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks because they opposed U.S. involvement in Afghanistan. In fact, O’Reilly not only kicked them off the show, but also threatened to tear them to pieces for being anti-American.
He also urged his supporters to initiate a writing campaign at Doyle’s expense. Many obeyed, apparently, flooding Doyle’s e-mail box with hundreds of hateful retorts, many of them with expletives to be deleted. Even the New York Times paid attention with an article this week that reprinted many of the postings.
“You’re lucky we don’t attack Canada next. We hate communists here,” wrote John from Virginia.
“Canadians are worthless. Canadian equals coward,” added Steve, who advised Doyle to stay away from Texas.
But the hate mail was also followed by a flood of missives from sympathetic Americans, according to Doyle.
“I think most of these people live in parts of the country that CSI couldn’t use for their storylines because all the DNA is the same and there are no dental records,” wrote Jami from Omaha.
“The people who trust Fox News are the religiously insane, the rabid conservatives and those with the attention span of a cocker spaniel being shown a card trick,” contributed Steven.
On the flip side, O’Reilly made public a supportive note from a Canadian:
“We need fair and balanced news from Fox because the Globe and Mail and the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation are so far left.
“Please don’t use my name because I don’t want the government to know that I’m illegally watching Fox on the satellite.”
In one of his columns last week, Doyle again made the point that Fox News Channel is “the most hilarious thing on American TV since Seinfeld,” adding that the service’s supporters would “give soccer hooligans a run for their money.”
But he has persisted with his lighter touch in contrast to what he calls the hectoring hysteria south of the border. He even quoted the Irish poet Yeats (both Doyle and O’Reilly have Irish roots): “Our hearts have not grown brutal from the fray.”

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)

What do you think O'Reilly is talking about when he threatens "serious pain"?

Nemo (JND), Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I was really hoping this would be about the computer book publisher.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:23 (twenty-two years ago)

.....give soccer hooligans a run for their money

I'll take that money, thank you very much.

Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:25 (twenty-two years ago)

What do you think O'Reilly is talking about when he threatens "serious pain"?
he is referring to fox news

dyson (dyson), Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:38 (twenty-two years ago)

The really sad thing about this is that, as snarky as Doyle is being, he's mostly right and considerably more urbane than Mr. O'Reilly but many Americans will see it as an anti-American, liberal elitist Candian thing worthy of condemnation.

Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:38 (twenty-two years ago)

as snarky as Doyle is being
he is a TV columnist

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

who cares if some americans think a toronto tv columnist is elitist?

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Did they set this up to boost their respective ratings?

Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Doyle has no ratings.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:50 (twenty-two years ago)

O’Reilly decided to take on Doyle after the columnist endorsed a proposal before the CRTC to bring the Fox News Channel into Canada, adding that Canadian TV viewers needed a good laugh.

'a good laugh' isn't the phrase I'd have used, but for a non-American there's something really fascinating about watching Fox News. It's been on the digital service I've been getting (I live in Ireland) for the last 2 months, and I'm hopelessly addicted to it, especially O Reilly (Warning: You are now entering a no spin zone!).

Joe Kay (feethurt), Thursday, 29 April 2004 19:19 (twenty-two years ago)

doyle is actually a pretty good critic,i like him

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 29 April 2004 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

He's a lot better than Jason Chow at the National Post, who is actually a pretty good critic, but just not for TV because he doesn't seem to be able to enjoy it. I think he'd be better for movies or something. He's a good writer, but he just seems to hate everything, and not in a very entertaining way.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Thursday, 29 April 2004 19:30 (twenty-two years ago)

who's that goofy post tv guy? the "funny" one?

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 29 April 2004 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Feschuck, Scott Feschuck. He's now a Paul Martin speechwriter.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Thursday, 29 April 2004 19:33 (twenty-two years ago)

really? huh

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 29 April 2004 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

He called the Globe a far-left paper and Doyle a Canadian intellectual.
Damn, don't you hate it when somebody calls you intellectual?
That he considers the Globe to be a far left paper was good for a laugh or two.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 29 April 2004 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

seriously!! remember when the globe was considered the conservative paper, before you-know-what?

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 29 April 2004 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Now it's just the slightly-less conservative paper.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Thursday, 29 April 2004 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Like the Grits are now the slightly-less conservative party.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Thursday, 29 April 2004 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

the day joe effing clarke said: "vote lib" is when the ndp started looking really good.

dyson (dyson), Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

politicians in being total scumbags shocka!

(i question the psychological stability of anyone who runs for any office, even the dog catcher is suspect!)

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:17 (twenty-two years ago)

x-post

Huckle-Buck,

I meant that he could boost their circulation.

Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Dear Sirs,

O'Reilly is a SERIOUS moron.
I am sorry his comments get airtime, as he is a huge embarrassment to most Americans.
He obviously drank from the same bottle of Stupid as our president.
And its all about money ofcourse. To those using their pee brains.

We have alot to learn from our neighbors to the North, please invade us and take over soon.
Perhaps that way we can alter the DNA of all this right wing inbreeding...
And, when you capture Mr Bill, please feel free to castrate the boob so that no more vitriol is passed on genetically in that particular overripened bloodline.
thanks,

Jeff Law
Houston, Texas

Jeff Law, Thursday, 29 April 2004 21:29 (twenty-two years ago)

"pee brains"

martin m. (mushrush), Thursday, 29 April 2004 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)

We worthless cowards are frightened of the gathering storm clouds.

BanjoMania (Brilhante), Thursday, 29 April 2004 22:05 (twenty-two years ago)

The NYT last Sunday ran the most frightening anti-Canadian bile from O'Reilly viewers imaginable. It never ceases to amaze me that people a)think things like this and b)find it perfectly reasonable to vent this incohesive bile in public

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Thursday, 29 April 2004 22:09 (twenty-two years ago)

To: Doyle, John

Subject: you are a [expletive]

Please don't sleep on your side, because your tiny little brain will roll out your ear, you communist [expletive].

To: Doyle, John

Subject: Fox and your newspaper

. . . I imagine you are one of those middle-aged creeps sitting on your fat [expletive] drooling with envy at the success of others. From your photo it appears you have a receding hairline.

Charles

And several summarily withdrew their states' welcome:

To: Doyle, John

Subject: Fox News

Your [expletive] attitude exists because you are Canadian. Canadians are worthless. Canadian equals coward. You don't need just Fox News Channel. First you need to stop being Canadian.

Steve

In Texas. Stay Away.

To: Doyle, John

Subject: Your article

This article was written by an idiot. Canadians are far too dumb to appreciate Fox News anyway. Don't confuse their little heads with the facts. . . . My husband has been forced to work in Canada for awhile this spring. He said most Canadians are [expletives].

Have a good day.

Ruth, from the wonderful state of Colorado.

(Don't come for a visit.)

But most simply accused Mr. Doyle and his readership of being inferior, envious or worse . . . Canadian!

To: Doyle, John

Subject: what a joke - Fox

. . . Clearly you believe Americans must be stupid. But clearly not as dense as Canadians, who are spoon-fed their news by heavily tilted "non partial" partisans such as yourself.

Your problem, you creep, is that you are Canadian.

Regards,

Ron

To: Doyle, John

Subject: nice try [EXPLETIVE!]

{hellip}True freedom of speech and diversity of opinion TERRIFIES you left-wing [expletives]. That is why your "1st Amendment" equivalent has more holes in it than Swiss cheese. You Canadians are really quite sad to us Americans. We generally feel sorry for you and your weak, dependent country.

John

Springfield, Va. ****USA****

To: Doyle, John

Subject: Your article

Why don't you just shut your damn mouth. Your lucky we don't attack Canada next. We hate communists here.

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Thursday, 29 April 2004 22:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow.
It's amazing what passes for communism post-1989.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 29 April 2004 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)

"It never ceases to amaze me that people a)think things like this and b)find it perfectly reasonable to vent this incohesive bile in public"

The problem is, once somebody like O'Reilly goes public with crap like that, many of their followers will...follow. In their minds, he validates their own very worst behavior. It's very "Monkey see,monkey do". What scares me is how alot of this capitalizes on people's individual prejudices. America has actually grown more bigoted in the last few years.

Doobie Keebler (Charles McCain), Thursday, 29 April 2004 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Stupid people make me happy.

Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Thursday, 29 April 2004 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

they piss me off.

dyson (dyson), Thursday, 29 April 2004 23:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I react both ways!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 April 2004 23:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Stupid people removed from personal contact with me give me no small amount of glee. Stupid people I have to deal with everyday are not so amusing. Sometimes they are. Anyway, Bill O'Reilly seems like a cartoon from here, but I suppose he is, by and large, absolutely evil.

Huck, Friday, 30 April 2004 04:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I dunno, I always pictured absolute evil as smarter and better-looking. I think he's just a doofus.

spittle (spittle), Friday, 30 April 2004 05:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the absolute evilness comes not from the fact that he actually is a hate-spewing moron, but that he plays one for profit. That he plays so purposefully to the basest prejudices and cajoles his audience to not think, just to be angry; to not understand, just to threaten "serious pain" to anyone who doesn't share their own myopic worldview. I seriously doubt he actually holds much in the way of conviction, he's just a crass opportunist, exploiting the dormant bigotry behind America's current (constant???) paranoia.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Friday, 30 April 2004 13:54 (twenty-two years ago)


I think the absolute evilness comes not from the fact that he actually is a hate-spewing moron, but that he plays one for profit.

Yeah, not enough people laugh at him on the air. He's a perfect Internet troll, in ways.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 30 April 2004 13:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Huckle-Buck

Read the section in Al Franken's book about him. It's hilarious and infuriating.

Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 30 April 2004 14:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Been there, done that. You bet.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Friday, 30 April 2004 14:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Fox News commentator Bill O’Reilly denies anger at Canada, ultra-right label
TORONTO (CP) — Fox News Channel commentator Bill O’Reilly wants it known he’s not really as rabidly controversial as he’s being portrayed by other media outlets, including at least one in Canada.
On Friday, O’Reilly took exception to reports that he is an “ultra-conservative” and that he does not like Canada. In recent days, the outspoken American TV personality has been involved in a running dispute with Toronto’s Globe & Mail newspaper, and in particular its TV columnist, John Doyle, who wrote that Fox News should be allowed on Canadian cable and satellite services because viewers in this country could use a good laugh.
O’Reilly also complained about several points in a Canadian Press story on Thursday.
“Hey you pinheads up there, I may be pompous, but at least I’m honest,” O’Reilly was quoted as saying in a New York Times story. But the commentator says he was referring to Globe & Mail staff, not Canadians in general, who he says are good people.
“I got nothing against the Canadian people but in the last few years you’ve swung dramatically to the left,” he says. “And we in America have some questions about that.”
Doyle says he still finds O’Reilly hilarious.
“He’s been stung by Canada because a writer at a Canadian newspaper said he was entertaining in his operatic arguments and revealed that many of his followers are only capable of writing abusive, foul-mouthed responses to those they disagree with,” says the columnist. “He’s a joke and Canada needs to see this joker. We won’t take him seriously and that’s what really annoys him.”
Meanwhile, O’Reilly denies reports that were published widely — including in the New Yorker — that he physically threatened Jeremy Glick, a guest on his show, a relative of a victim of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and an opponent of U.S. involvement in Afghanistan. He says it didn’t happen and that there are no witnesses who can say it did. Reports quoted Glick alleging that after the broadcast, O’Reilly threatened to tear him to pieces for being anti-American.
“Ridiculous, absurd,” O’Reilly maintains. “Twenty people in the room. He was escorted out and that was the end of him.
“Not one human being, outside of this man, who is a known far-left activist, not one name verifies what he said.”
O’Reilly also says the broadcast happened more than two years ago — in Dec. 2001 — not last February, as reported.
Further, he denies reports that he invited his supporters to initiate the write-in campaign that saw hundreds of hostile e-mails flood Doyle’s e-mail inbox at the Globe & Mail. In fact, he says he openly deplored those e-mails but that Doyle failed to mention that.
As for an account that he is perceived by many as “an ultra-conservative shark on a political feeding frenzy,” he says no one has ever called him that.
“Shark, sure, fine. Just call me a shark, I’m happy. Sharks will be mad, I’m happy. Ultra-conservative? Absurd.”
O’Reilly resents the image he has in Canada of a “right-wing loon who is running around out of control.” He says he is the victim of a left-wing smear campaign, but that the American far right doesn’t like him either, noting that G. Gordon Liddy attacked him recently.
But O’Reilly believes the Canadian media to be “primarily a left-wing concern” and says he has hundreds of letters from Canadians who agree with him. He says between 85 and 90 per cent of the Globe & Mail’s editorial opinions would be considered liberal in the U.S., including such issues as drug decriminalization, gay marriage, detainment of prisoners in Guantanamo and support for Iraq.
He says one thing would settle all arguments he’s had with the paper’s TV critic and that is if Canadians could only see Fox News and judge for themselves that it is not rabidly right wing, as has been suggested. An application has been submitted to the CRTC by the Canadian Cable Television Association.
“If you had us up there to balance CNN, you’d give people a choice, they’d hear other points of view. Not conservative points of view — this is not a conservative network.”
He also stands by opinions he’s expressed on several recent Canadian issues. He says he understands the mayor of Vancouver is setting up free heroin clinics in the city.
Not quite. A safe-injection site is open in the city’s drug-riddled downtown eastside and researchers hope to set up another clinic to provide free heroin to addicts to see if prescribing the drug can improve their lives. City approval has been received, but the study still needs Health Canada’s blessing and government security standards must also be met.
But the biggest bone O’Reilly has to pick involves two U.S. army deserters who are seeking asylum in Canada. He has argued that if Ottawa grants that asylum, the U.S. should boycott Canadian products in protest, a move that he says could cripple the Canadian economy.
“That’s the big issue right now, that Americans expect these people to be extradited back here.”
Two American servicemen recently went AWOL from their units and, claiming political refugee status, fled to Canada to avoid deployment to Iraq where they believe the war is illegal under international law. They will face the Canadian immigration and refugee board.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Monday, 3 May 2004 13:47 (twenty-two years ago)

O’Reilly resents the image he has in Canada of a “right-wing loon who is running around out of control.” He says he is the victim of a left-wing smear
campaign, but that the American far right doesn’t like him either, noting that G. Gordon Liddy attacked him recently.

Ah! This I want to know more about.

*scrounges*

http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/newswire/news2004/0401/040504-liddy.htm

And from a further while back:

http://www.hypocrites.com/article9153.html

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:09 (twenty-two years ago)

There was a really great column in Saturday's Globe & Mail by Heather Mallick about being a guest on O'Reilly's show.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:12 (twenty-two years ago)

bring on the boycott of canadian goods i say. just try it¡
no more petrol and no more electricity for the east coast.
i don't think it occurs to many americans how important the relationship with canada (their no. 1 trading partner) truly is.

dyson (dyson), Monday, 3 May 2004 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

But Mexico is their most important economic ally, and Gr. Brit is their best friend! GWB said so, so it must be true.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

O'Reilly has every fucking right to say whatever the hell he wants to. It's a free country, dammit!!

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:02 (twenty-two years ago)

What should he bother with things such as truth and decency when he's got freedom.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:16 (twenty-two years ago)

"If you had us up there to balance CNN, you’d give people a choice, they’d hear other points of view. Not conservative points of view — this is not a conservative network."

That last line kills me. Soooo, if it's not conservative, what kind of network IS Fox?

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:41 (twenty-two years ago)


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