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Do they work? If so, how? How dangerous can they be if placed in the wrong spot?

I'm thinking of getting one (after talking to Jen, who got one for her house) for my room, as it is quite dusty, and might help me breath better, which in turn, might help me with other physical problems.

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 30 April 2004 22:25 (twenty-two years ago)

My mom got me the Ionic Breeze which I've been using for a couple weeks now. It does seem to collect some stuff, but I haven't noticed any major difference yet. She swears by it though.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 30 April 2004 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

that's what i was gonna say: filter gets very dirty, but I can't notice any difference.

why would they be dangerous?

oops (Oops), Friday, 30 April 2004 22:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, one of the few cruel tricks my first college dormmate played on me was that he got a free mini "ionizer", and he discovered that if he touched the ionizer for a long time while grabbing a metal coat hanger, then proceeded to poke me with the coat hanger, I'd get a horrible static electricity shock. (Fucking asshole, I'll never forgive him for that)

So, I figure a bigger ionizer might be of some source of electrical danger.. that's all.

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 30 April 2004 22:43 (twenty-two years ago)

You'd probably be seeing a lot of exposes on KHYP Action News if they were even slightly dangerous, no?

oops (Oops), Friday, 30 April 2004 22:45 (twenty-two years ago)

nah, i hear them ionisers can blow up and shit

DQ (danny quintana), Friday, 30 April 2004 22:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought the ionizer stuff was proven to be hoo-haw

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 30 April 2004 22:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I wouldn't, because I don't have a TV nor do I get KHYP.

(drum fill)

Well, you don't hear lots of stories about water heaters going bad, but they're apparently dangerous business too. and they're far more common.

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 30 April 2004 22:46 (twenty-two years ago)

YOU HAVE BETRAYED MY TRUST, PARANOID LOCAL NEWSJOUNALISTS!

oops (Oops), Friday, 30 April 2004 22:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, don't come to such conclusions, oops. They're only reporting what's most vital for you and you only.

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 30 April 2004 22:55 (twenty-two years ago)

The ionizer actually does work (it does collect dust and particles which you can see). I just don't know if it's an amazing panacea for allergy sufferers etc.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 30 April 2004 23:00 (twenty-two years ago)

But is it an amazing paramecium?

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 30 April 2004 23:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know! Why don't you ask it next time you're down here?!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 30 April 2004 23:21 (twenty-two years ago)

spencer, i've got the ionic breeze thingy but don't use it anymore. i do remember seeing in a consumer reports piece on air purifiers that they considered it worse than worthless - if you've ever seen how they evaluate products, it had black or half-black circles in every category.

i barely used it anyway and never could tell if it made a difference; i only remember that if you turned it up high in a closed room after awhile the room would smell...chlorinated.

John (jdahlem), Friday, 30 April 2004 23:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I've got the Sharp PlasmaCluster, and it's great; it actually pulls rank odors (cig smoke, raunchy frying meat smell, cat litter) out of the air and makes the air safe to breathe. I also love how you can set it up to automatically kick in when it smells something bad; I know this feature works because it has a little air quality light that goes from green to orange to red depending on how bad the smell is. Of course this makes for a great game for anyone who's feeling a litte gassy: "Let's see who can make the light turn red!"

Anyhow, I'd recommend it.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Saturday, 1 May 2004 00:02 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.sharpusa.com/products/TypeLanding/0,1056,185,00.html

(By the way, the PlasmaCluster is great at pulling out things that cause allergic reactions, too, and is supposed to suck the life out of small living particles like bacteria because it works by splitting water atoms up, and when it does it essentially sucks all of the water out of the greeblies. This is what it says in the literature, anyhow.)

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Saturday, 1 May 2004 00:05 (twenty-two years ago)

(And my partner, who is allergic to cats, has been able to live with our since we got the thing, so take that as evidence.)

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Saturday, 1 May 2004 00:27 (twenty-two years ago)

i have the venta airwasher. german engineering, no filters. the BEST.

http://www.venta-airwasher.com

cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 1 May 2004 00:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I am also starting to look into these air purifiers and some of the plants listed there:
NASA Study shows common plants help reduce indoor air pollution

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Saturday, 1 May 2004 01:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Good Housekeeping magazine gave the Ionic Breeze air purifier zero stars, which is obv the lowest rating they could possibly give. This was in the writeup:

The claim:  "No fans, no filters, no fuss and no noise." According to the ad, this air purifier removes pollen and animal dander from the air. It also eliminates smoke and offensive odors.
Reality check:  Yes, it's silent. Yes, it's easy to clean. But in our tests, Ionic Breeze didn't get rid of much smoke, dust or pollen. It's much less effective than conventional HEPA air cleaners.
Bottom line:  Save your money. You can't rely on this product to clean the air in your home.

Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Saturday, 1 May 2004 04:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I've got one and I use it in my bedroom... it's a HEPA thingy that supposed to be designed for allergy sufferers, asthmatics, and pet owners (c'est moi).
It makes the room smell like airplane air.
Although I have to say that when it runs all night on the lowest setting (I've never used it on the higher ones since it's so powerful) that I wake up in the morning without that horrible wheezy asthmatic death rattle whistle in my chest that NOTHING can get rid of.
I've had it for about a year now and the filter is still clean. Although i mostly use it in spring and summer.
it also provides a nice fan effect in hot weather.

if you want something to really clean your house, though, I highly recommend the Dyson Animal vacuum cleaner. That thing literally sucks the London black bogeys from your nose at fifty paces.

Catty (Catty), Saturday, 1 May 2004 21:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Of course this makes for a great game for anyone who's feeling a litte gassy: "Let's see who can make the light turn red!"

Sean, you've sold me.

Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Sunday, 2 May 2004 21:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Ionic generators work, the science is well proven, but the real issue is that each person's body responds to the pollutants in the airborne environment to a different degree. The ion effect is felt by some people as they stand by a waterfall as an invigorating feeling, other individuals only see a waterfall and some dampness... Ionic charge in good air in the mountains contains about 4000 negative ions per cc, by a waterfall it can be up to 6000, inside homes it can be down to 1000 or 500, inside office buildings with lots of electrical machinery working, the neg-ion charge level can fall to 100-200. Negative ions in the air attract and condense the micro particles floating there, the micro particles are highly toxic to our cells by the way, and cause them to fall to the ground...out of your breathing space... this is a good thing considering the EPA says our indoor air is 10-100 times more polluted than air outdoors.

Greg, Sunday, 9 May 2004 12:45 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
I'm in rough shape here in san francisco

Started having pronounced allergic reactions, red eyes in the morning, nagging cough, etc. Vacuuming and cleaning like crazy, no difference. Two months of rain for spring kept the windows closed in my bedroom for most of five months. Two weeks ago, sun comes out, windows open -- and bam, tears like waterfalls and coughing up green every morning. Then, one week ago, massive coughing attack leading to an entire weekend of laryngitis. So, more cleaning, deeper than ever, airmask on, scouring the windows, especially this weird black stuff buried deep in the frames, leave the windows open and the fan on to air out the room while I go get a late dinner... only then the light bulb goes on... seven weeks of nonstop rain in SF >>> that stuff around the windows was black mold and I've just atomized and ventilated it through the room.

so I go back with bleach and redo the windows, revacuum, rewash the sheets... then take a (idiotic) gamble and go to bed. wake up three hours later coughing with light fever. the fever fades ten minutes after leaving, but the room is now uninhabitable. that was two days ago, it hasn't changed.

the window frames are metal, and I didn't find any mold growing on wood. this is great, great news. I need an air purifier that can handle mold that isn't that worthless looking Ionic Breeze -- I'm looking online, but if anyone has any recommendations, I am all ears. (The Venta looks _great_ -- if I can find one for sale today, I just might)

Getting coffee this morning I was filling in barista friend, and the person in line behind me said 'I just found mold in my room last week for the first time'. So sounding the alarm if anyone else's allergies are acting particularly severe.

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 17:12 (twenty years ago)

firstly, this has been the worst allergy season ever. I was incapacitated for 3 weeks...I stopped taking a coctail of pills just a few days ago.

anyway, as a combined birthday/xmas gift, my rich aunt bought me one of these:

http://www.healthpurifiers.com/product/J-100-00-01M.html

From all the research I had done...this is like, the ONLY one. Do I notice a huge difference? Well, it my apt smells better. Maybe I sleep better? To be honest I can't really tell. But I keep it running 24/7. The filter is changed once every 5 years or so, and the only maintenance is you get a vacuum with a brush attachment and just vacuum the outside, which picks up all the big bits trapped by the filter. Something I don't do nearly enough.

All those Ionic Breeze, the sharper image things, the oreck or whatever advertised on tv, are all supposed to be worthless.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 18:17 (twenty years ago)

btw, filter waranteed for 5 years when used under "normal indoor use" which does NOT include cigarette smoke, I think if you smoke you're supposed to change the filter more often. My aunt who got it because they smoke doesn't bother, but it still does the job of removing tobacco odor.

also...you're response may not be just about the mold but the pollen outside after the rain stopped. I mean, I'm better when I'm inside, it's when I go outside that it gets worse.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 18:25 (twenty years ago)

I feel like it's not pollen; I definitely feel better the longer I'm away from my room, hiking is no problem. it phased in gradually, starting around december, up until then I've never had any problems... I guess huge allergies can show up within a month or two though.

thanks for the recommendations, this is very disorienting

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 22:14 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

API: 438

Severe 201 to 500
Air quality significantly worse than both short-term and long-term AQOs. People with existing heart or respiratory illnesses may experience significant aggravation of their symptoms and there will be also widespread symptoms in the healthy population. These include eye irritation, wheezing, coughing, phlegm and sore throat.

丫 power (dyao), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 13:07 (sixteen years ago)


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