The Director's Cut S/D

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There are loads of directors cut's of various films out there, but which of them are any good, which aren't and do any surpass the original?

Davel (Davel), Friday, 14 May 2004 11:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Whatever their merits, most of them are faultily labelled; ie the addition of cut scenes is just a marketing tool, and I say 'tool' advisedly. I think it's telling that few genuine auteurs have opted for this ultra-auteurist strategy. Doubly strange is the fact that so many 'director's cut' films, like 'The Last Emperor' and 'Apocalypse Now' were BLOODY LONG ALREADY.

Question: has there been a director's cut that has been SHORTER than the original?

ENRQ (Enrique), Friday, 14 May 2004 11:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Ridley Scott DCs are quite often shorter than the originals.

Liz :x (Liz :x), Friday, 14 May 2004 11:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I love how including cut scenes is supposed to be a draw. I mean, if they weren't good enough to make it in the orginal film....

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 14 May 2004 11:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Decent directors insist on final cut anyway.

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 14 May 2004 11:38 (twenty-two years ago)

They can insist all they like, but very few really have it -- fact. For one thing, not all of them have the technical skills involved in editing. Why should they? Neither is it necessary for a director to write his/her scripts. In any case, most directors basically internalize the strictures of the biz, and very few will throw a hissy fit in the edit stage -- after all, they want to work again. So they may sign off the film, but you can bet your arse they'd want some changes. Similarly, novelists don't have final cut on their novels -- they are constantly monitored by editors. Editor-less novelists (Will Self) are notably shit at structure.

ENRIQ (Enrique), Friday, 14 May 2004 11:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Decent directors insist on final cut anyway.

Gangs of new York?

jed_ (jed), Friday, 14 May 2004 11:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Not sure if that proves or disproves the point, jed!

ENRQ (Enrique), Friday, 14 May 2004 11:52 (twenty-two years ago)

me neither, but its pretty clear he didn't - im sure it would have been twice as bad at twice the length anyway.

btw congrats on the Time Out thing!

jed_ (jed), Friday, 14 May 2004 11:55 (twenty-two years ago)

um, thanks! actually, i've been there for two years, but have been, erm, dormant for most of that time...

ENRQ (Enrique), Friday, 14 May 2004 11:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Peter Weir's director's cut of "Picnic at Hanging Rock" is a few minutes shorter. I think the new version of "Alien" may be shorter, but Ridley Scott doesn't consider that his director's cut.

Oh, and I can't think of any director working today - not independently, at least - who is contractually guaranteed final cut. Final cut is pretty much a myth.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Saturday, 15 May 2004 01:10 (twenty-two years ago)

director's cut of brazil, obviously, is classic and a hundred times better than the other cuts.

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 15 May 2004 03:17 (twenty-two years ago)

S: 'director's cut' of Blood Simple, which is actually shorter but has a little "this is a director's cut" intro tacked on.

D: Apocalypse Now

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 15 May 2004 04:39 (twenty-two years ago)

the idea of "directors cut" or "orginal version" often, though not always, obscures the complexity of the process of bringing a film to fruition and then to theaters. i really don't like to hear about "director's cuts" in general.

a fairly straightforward example however of a "director-approved" cut being superior to that preferred and released by the producer is "my darling clementine."

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 15 May 2004 05:20 (twenty-two years ago)

And that's not even getting into all the foreign films - like "The Leopard" - raped for U.S. release and left for dead. Thank god Criterion finally got their mitts on it.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Saturday, 15 May 2004 21:17 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0257408/

NICK CAVE AND THE BAD SEEDS REMIND YOU THAT ZERO IS ALSO A NUMBER (ex machina), Saturday, 15 May 2004 21:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I want to see the director's cut of Kill Bill

TheNewJMod (JMod), Saturday, 15 May 2004 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Heh, they should start marketing Special Editor's Cut DVDs.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Saturday, 15 May 2004 22:15 (twenty-two years ago)

"the philistine producer's cut"

amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 16 May 2004 04:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Destroy: Star Wars. CGI Jabba can eat my fuk.

Johnney B, Sunday, 16 May 2004 07:18 (twenty-two years ago)

five years pass...

J. Rosenbaum on how DVD marketing is rewriting film history:

Arguably, one reason why the film industry has encouraged and promoted the concept of director's cuts, even though this might appear to be counter to its own interests, is that it enables a film's owner to sell the same product to the same customer twice—or even, in a few special cases, three or four times. Presumably, if you recut somebody's film, the damage isn't serious because it can always be "restored" on DVD. The basic mythology appears to be that every film has two versions, a correct one and an incorrect one. But in fact this isn't quite true. A better paraphrase of the mythology would be, more paradoxically, that every film has at least two versions—a correct one and a more correct one, to be succeeded in turn by further upgrades.

One good example is the 2004 version of Samuel Fuller's The Big Red One, available on DVD, produced by Richard Schickel, and subtitled The Reconstruction. To my mind, neither the 1980 release nor Schickel's alleged duplication or approximation of the original longer edit of the film qualifies as a director's cut....

To take an extreme example, what about the eight separate versions of Blade Runner, at least half of which have been widely shown? These have included, apart from the initial 1982 release, cuts known respectively as the "original director's version" (though, ironically, disowned by its director, Ridley Scott) in 1990; three subsequent versions, all purporting to be "director's cuts," growing out of Scott's objections to the 1990 release; and, finally, the one that was actually approved and released in 1992. Yet even these five versions—all described in copious detail, along with two more, in Paul M. Sammon's once-exhaustive 1996 book, Future Noir: The Making of Blade Runner—have finally been succeeded by a more carefully wrought 25th anniversary edition, hopefully definitive, known simply as Blade Runner: The Final Cut, prepared by Scott and released in 2007.

The havoc played with ordinary language and its meanings by this slapstick history is duplicated, in smaller but no less telling ways, in the mainstream labels often attached to various works by Orson Welles, particularly by writers who want to simplify the issues involved. Welles was an industry outsider whose work methods confounded most of the usual categories, so his work has been wrongly described much more often than that of most other filmmakers, and I've encountered these obfuscations often as a Welles scholar. The bottom line is that Welles never had a final cut on either Touch of Evil or Mr. Arkadin, so claiming to "restore" something that never existed, as a good many publicists and commentators do, is tantamount to fibbing. And the same thing applies to deleting and then redoing part of Welles' original soundtrack for Othello (a film on which he did have a final cut), which is also, usually, called a "restoration" by marketers and reviewers alike....

http://www.slate.com/id/2220740/pagenum/all

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 25 June 2009 03:44 (sixteen years ago)

one year passes...

Original 1972 version of Live At Pompeii = da roxor
90min director's cut of Live At Pompeii = hideous (tarted up with computer graphics and space pictures more suited for a mid-budget rave video from 1993)

Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 19 November 2010 01:57 (fifteen years ago)


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