Who's the Ass-Hat here?

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Background:

Sally and I are same sex partners. We got rid of our bulimic and alcholic roommates and wanted to start fresh.

I placed an ad in the paper, and before we even had anyone darken our door for an interview, I said the following:

Sally and I have the lease on the apartment. I travel around the U.S. and when I'm in town, I stay with her. That can be for multiple days, and then weeks/ months go by when I am only there to drop her off from my place in another state.

Then, when the applicants came over, BOTH Sally and I were present. We repeated the exact same thing....LIVE! We got smart this time, and I wrote up a FOUR PAGE ROOMMATE RENTAL AGREEMENT, which stipulates what their obligaitions were and ours.

Number 3 of the agreement states: The rent and utilities shall be divided up by thirds and paid within 7 days upon display.

In order to live in our apartment, they had to read this agreement, OUT LOUD, with us, and Sally, myself and they HAD to sign it.

Simple enough? Do we have any difficulty understanding yet?

So, the month of April (when Bill moved in), I was there most of the time (against my wishes), because I didn't want our soon-to-be-ex, alcoholic roommate, Kevin, to beat the living tar out of him.(He was violently Alpha male) Big surprise...Kevin was on the best behavior of his life and suckered Bill into believing that he's a great bloke.

Then, the first week of May, Sara moved in and I was there to physically help Sally move from one room to the next, and because I needed to work in the city.

All of the bills are in my name, and as had been explained to the roomies, when they came in; I'd leave them on the counter,and they could write me a check for one third. I pay for Sally to stay there as she's on a stipend at work and can't afford it on her own. I also have a home in another state.

Time comes and goes, and there's still no checks.

Then Sara, she of the prodigious note writing, leaves a 8 1/2 by 11 'note', saying that since there are "four people living in the apartment now, Bill and I feel that we need to split the rent and utilities and supplies by one quarter!"

What the fuck!!!???

Rent is already an abysmally low $300 per person (L180) and all of the utilities are on a payment plan: whether we turn on the gas, cable or electric, they are at a set rate. So, if we watch TV 24/7, we pay $xxx; if we never watch cable, it's $xxx.

I wrote back to her, that I am paying all of Sally's bills, so essentially I have the complete right to be there, as often as I want, and that it was the transition period between roommates that mandated me being there as much as I had been, for the past month.

Mind you, Sara had ONLY been there 13 days when she wrote this note.

So, the following morning, the 14th, Sally and I wake up to Sara and Bill scurrying out of the apartment, when we get up, and another note left on the counter.

Essentially, they not only feel that Sally has to pay her share of the rent, too, but...but....they suggested that she take over 100% of the cleaning duties (a 4 hour job that's currently divided evenly amongst the roommates) to equal out her share of the rent.

Let's do the math:

Sara $300
Bill $300
Me $300
Sally $400 at $100/week cleaning charge for the amount that a maid service would charge to clean our large appartment.

It gets better....or worse!

Bill, then added that he thinks that we should keep track of when people are home and when they aren't and they pay the amount of rent...according to when they are home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Have you ever heard of anything so fucked up as that??????

So, if he's gone for a month, on vacation, he feels that he shouldn't pay ANYTHING, and that the balance should be shouldered by the other roommates.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm......let me think about this.....NO FUCKIN' WAY, DICKHEAD!!!!

With all of the house-sitting that I do for clients, I can just imagine them calling up their mortgage company and utilities and saying, "Uh, Hi. I've been in Russia/Thailand/Phoenix for the past month and a half so I don't need to pay my bills, because I wasn't there."

Or worse, asking ME to pay their bills, since after all, I was the one house-sitting and living there, so I should, of course, be responsible for paying.

Both of us have the worst upset stomaches that you can possibly imagine and we both feel like we've been made to be free-loaders at our own home.

Forget the fact that we have over $3000 in money invested in microwaves, TV's, furniture and pots and pans for EVERYONE'S USE! When I brought this up to Bill, before he scampered off to work, he shrugged and said, that he and Sara both had furniture, so if the place was empty, they could outfit it!

And the big irony of this all....Sara wanted to have a "Roommate Dinner", which she controlled and orchestrated and she kept asking Sally why I couldn't be there. Sally barely wanted to attend last night, and neither Sara nor Bill have shown the tiniest bit of shame/remorse/or cluefulness about how insulting their behaviour has been to us.

To top it of, Sara asked Sally when I'd be coming over again, and when she said, "Not until this weekend (Sally's birthday)", Sara was genuinely surprised and said, "Gee, that must be hard to not see each other."

Well, Bitch, if you and Bill weren't so anal, that wouldn't be a problem, now, would it?

So, tomorrow, Tuesday, I'm coming armed with the SIGNED RENTAL AGREEMENT, which states in no uncertain terms, that ALL UTILITIES AND RENT ARE TO BE SPLIT [b]THREE[/b] ways, NOT FOUR. And that in over 8 places of the agreement, it always mentions Sally and I as a couple, with BOTH of our signatures at the end.

With all the shitty roommates we've had in the past, we've never, ever been made to feel guilty for living in our home AND when some of our roomies have had partners, we've ENCOURAGED them to bring their S.O.'s over so that they both felt at home.

I'm telling you this right now, after I bushwack them---separately---tomorrow after they come home from work, they have a choice:

1)Believe that I will not, indeed, be living there full-time, with this just being my busy season

OR

2)Give their 30 day notice and we'll replace them.

We're so used to the parade of roomies, that changing these two tight wads is as easy as blowing your nose.

I could see if the bills reflected a four person usage, but they don't. I could see if I interferred with their getting to work on time in the morning or getting ready for bed at night or taking up refrigerator space of any other space in the apartment.

I have ONE jacket in Sally's closet.
I have ONE drawer in her room.
I have NO space in the bathroom, by choice, and
I have NO space for anything in the kitchen, by choice again.

Can you imagine how humiliating it would be, for Sally to come to HER home, where she is on the lease and own's all the furniture, and have Sara and Bill say to her, "Say, Sal, we're having friends over this weekend, so can you clean the place by Friday?"

That would mean that with my part of the $300 rent and Sally's $400 dollars worth of cleaning, we'd be paying $700 to live....in OUR apartment!

Let the shit hit the fan tomorrow....grrrrr arrrgggghhh!!!

Question: are we in total denial of a problem here or is one being manufactured by people who previously lived alone in their apartment and are now having difficulty adjusting to shared living?

What are OUR rights?

Psychokitty, Monday, 17 May 2004 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm a bit confused and overwhelmed. but yeah they sound like asshats. print your post out and tape it all over the walls.

Ask For Samantha (thatgirl), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 00:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Your rights are that you laid down the law loud and clear both in writing and print, which they agreed to. If you show them this soon as you say you're going to, and they cant get it - theyre out of there, simple as that.

It must be a pain finding roomies so often, I can comiserate entirely having had a few screwy housemates myself in recent times. But if you're ok with getting them out, I'd say do so now - you're already feeling stressed from it!

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 01:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Err that meant to say "both in writing and a chat". Guh.

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 01:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Their only mistake here is that they agreed to that agreement and that they chose to discuss matters via note.

Allyzay, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 01:26 (twenty-two years ago)

You are right. Plus, they signed a document. I was in a similar situation - three bedrooms, four people, one bedroom shared by a couple but he was almost always on tour with his band. We split the rent three ways - per bedroom - but split the utilities four ways. The $60.00 or so per month that he paid seemed fair to everyone - and he could keep his stuff around the house, etc. in fact, I enjoyed listening to his albums, and when he was around we had a lot of fun. he and i are still friends...so situations can work out.

aimurchie, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 01:32 (twenty-two years ago)

despite the fact that signed agreement you're probably up shit creek. I mean it's not really enforcable is it? (i've had similar asshat roommates so I feel your pain)

Ask For Samantha (thatgirl), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 01:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Evict them.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 02:06 (twenty-two years ago)

What your rights are obv depends on where you live btw. In SF you would probably be fucked.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 02:12 (twenty-two years ago)

It seems pretty obvious to me that they are the ones 100% in the wrong. I suppose one is sort of humanly obligated to at least give them a chance, but I doubt the situation is going to get better. Be prepared to give them their notice to get out. And I say this as just about the biggest believer in the world in tenant's rights.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 02:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I and most of my friends are all renting either whole or partial properties, and still I side wholly with the original poster. Those people sound like absolute mentalists. If you had them read the agreement out loud then I don't know where they get the gall to challenge your rules.

Fuck them. Tell them to accept your terms or get out.

Andrew (enneff), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 03:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey everyone....LOADS AND LOADS OF THANKS ON YOUR OPINIONS!!!

If I had brought this to co-workers or friends, I was afraid that they'd side with me; which is not fair to the original roommates if I and my partner were the ones in the wrong.

But, as Sally and I keep saying to ourselves, from the initial phone interview where you tell the applicant what kind of roomie you're looking for, to the LIVE interview by BOTH of us, the read-out-loud rental agreement.....which they frellin' SIGNED....we just couldn't understand where the confusion came from.

And I agree with Allyzay, that this NEVER should have been mentioned in a note, for people to wake up to in the morning. The roomie who wrote it had only lived with us for 13 days, which is what's so sad...how could she be so disturbed that fast? I was gone for half of that time!

aimurchie: that was a fine suggestion, about splitting some of the utilities, and it was a good story for us to use, about the band members.

Both of these roomies are extremely responsible, have excellent jobs, and have respected all the MUTUALLY beneficial guidelines, so, in theory, we don't want to lose them.

However, if there's going to be resentment on all sides, then we'll have to cut them loose, or at least the woman, since she's the one that got 'bugged' 13 days into her lease.

Sally and I are having talks with both of them tonight, at separate times, so I'll let you guys know how it went.

Thanks again for your advice and wisdom on this.

Bee

Psychokitty, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 12:08 (twenty-two years ago)

leaving note for roommate that is anything but "hey you rock" or similar = "i hate you"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 12:21 (twenty-two years ago)

My crazy flatmate left notes all winter about keeping the central heating turned up high because her room (on the 2nd floor) is a lot colder than the other two on the floor below, so we apparently just had to swelter and that was that. Get a fricking heater, beeyotch. How flipping passive-agressive can you get?

Liz :x (Liz :x), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 12:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Tracer Hand and Liz: thanks for the morning laughs!:) :)

"=I hate you" had me spilling coffee on my lap. Yes, Sara, she of the 7 post-it notes per morning, sharing her life with us.

Oy vay. And I guess she can get pretty passive-aggressive!

Psychokitty, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Clearly, they are the asshats. When you speak to them about this, be sure you have a copy of their signed leases so you can point out what they agreed to.

Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Just put their shit out on the curb.

adam (adam), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)

That's what I would have done.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

C or D? Defenestration of personal effects by angry lover/roommate

Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)

burn them in their beds whilst they sleep and blame it on spontaneous human combustion. See if the fire service can explain that away without mulder and scully huh, also works better if you say they were staggering around with whisky bottles to hand the night before. Could mention bongs in their room and their collections of full cans of paraffin but don't give em a life story

Frank Swedehead, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)


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