Jewsih Agency for Israel complains: "German Government enticing Jews to emigratet to Germany. . ."

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May 18, 2004
27 Iyar, 5764

Jewish Agency Chairman, Sallai Meridor: "German Government enticing Jews to emigrate to Germany under refugee status."

The Chairman of the Jewish Agency, Sallai Meridor, presented an overview to the Knesset’s Immigration and Absorption Committee on current issues relating to immigration and absorption, Israel and the Jewish World.

The Chairman of the Jewish Agency attacked the policy of the German Government. "The German Government is enticing Jews to emigrate from the Former Soviet Union (FSU) to Germany under refugee status, despite the fact that the State of Israel already exists for 56 years. The Government of Israel must take serious steps to counter Germany. This situation drastically affects immigration to Israel. Last year about 19,000 Jews immigrated to Germany from the FSU whereas only 12,000 came to Israel."

― Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 22:36 (twenty-two years ago)

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 22:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Germany has the advantage that nobody's been blown the fuck up there lately.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 22:38 (twenty-two years ago)

And if there's one place that's safe for Jews...

― Sym (shmuel), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)

well Israel ain't that safe for Jews lately!

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 22:45 (twenty-two years ago)

or Palestinians, or anyone, really.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 22:45 (twenty-two years ago)

If I were an eastern-European Jew with genuine emigration options (what a concept!) -- and male children -- Israel's military-service requirements might sort of weigh on my mind as well. That said, I'm not sure how much any nation's "enticing" or "encouraging" is really going to lead people to make emigration decisions they weren't pretty much going to make already.

― nabiscothingy, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 22:49 (twenty-two years ago)

does this apply to all jews? can i immigrate there, go on the dole and buy techno records at domestic prices?

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 22:53 (twenty-two years ago)

given Germany's chilly relations with the US of late, maybe you could claim refugee status.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 22:55 (twenty-two years ago)

also on the World's Hippest City Thread Berlin is mentioned five times, Tel Aviv none. Russian Jews just know where it's at.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)

or maybe they dont like psytrance?

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 23:25 (twenty-two years ago)

are you going to claim that psytrance is hip?

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 23:27 (twenty-two years ago)

it depends on how bad life is in russia right now.

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 23:40 (twenty-two years ago)

No one who speaks German could be an evil man!

― mike a, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 23:42 (twenty-two years ago)

my last name sounds like it could be jewish, i've been told that i look jewish, and i speak decent german!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 00:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey come on Infected Mushroom are cool!

Not a reason to want to live in Tel Aviv tho, mind.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 01:22 (twenty-two years ago)

tel aviv is pretty cool. but i'd move to germany sooner than israel too.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 03:14 (twenty-two years ago)

not me - too fucking cold!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 03:16 (twenty-two years ago)

that's why the Germans all move to Malaga!

― Sh!t, J0hn D., Mayo, Etc. (hstencil), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 03:17 (twenty-two years ago)

germany must be the fucking tropics compared to moscow though

― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 03:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Russian Jews be movin' on up.

― QUOTATIONS FROM CHAIRMAN MAYO (hstencil), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 03:21 (twenty-two years ago)

does this apply to all jews? can i immigrate there, go on the dole and buy techno records at domestic prices?

I think if you can credibly claim to have a Jewish grandparent Israel will take you. You do not actually have to be religiously Jewish, which explains the country's fast-growing Russian Orthodox congregation.

Great typos in the thread title, RS!

― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 11:21 (twenty-two years ago)

does this apply to all jews? can i immigrate there, go on the dole and buy techno records at domestic prices?

Germany has a "right of return" policy for people who are descended from German emigres. (I might be eligible under this policy.) If I were an Eastern European Jew with a plausible claim of German heritage, given the factors of terrorism and military duty, and the benefits of EU membership, I would probably opt for Germany over Israel.

Does the Jewish Agency cite specific German programs being used to "entice" these Jews? The common "birth dearth" statistics apply to Germany as they do to most Western countries, and any such programs were probably formed with this in mind.

― j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 13:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Why is jews always moving places anyway? Sit the fuck down for a spell.

― TheNewJMod (JMod), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

dude man like the diaspora dude.

― QUOTATIONS FROM GOLDA MEIR (hstencil), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

"It's not jew, it's me"

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

What is the interest of the Jewish Agency for Israel in ensuring that all Jewish immigrants move to Israel, anyway? Could it be to justify accelerated settlement of the West Bank?

― briania (briania), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Does Germany have the same weird kind of Right Of Return law that Israel has? that's mental.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)

<< Why is jews always moving places anyway? Sit the fuck down for a spell.>>

Because we keep getting kicked out of places. Spain, Germany, the Romans, etc.

― mike a, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, those wierd right of return laws that allow people with the correct ancestry to gain citizenship from a country ... just like every other country in the world.

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

AMERICA DOESN'T NEED NO COMMIE RIGHT OF RETURN BULLSHIT!

― QUOTATIONS FROM USA! USA! (hstencil), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

seriously though one of the cool things about the US is that if you're born here, you're one of us.

― QUOTATIONS FROM LEE GREENWOOD (hstencil), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, those wierd right of return laws that allow people with the correct ancestry to gain citizenship from a country ... just like every other country in the world.

my understanding is that most countries do not have blood based citizenship laws that allow people to say "I am an ethnic Chobril, therefore I claim my entitlement to move to Chobrilstan even though I have never been there and nor has any ancestor of mine back as far as anyone can trace my family".

I may be wrong about this.

Ireland has a grandparent rule for citizenship, I think, and currently anyone born in Ireland is entitled to Irish citizenship. This may change in June.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

seriously though one of the cool things about the US is that if you're born here, you're one of us.

I approve of this too, as I think countries should be for whoever lives there rather than for some abstractly defined racial-ethnic group.

sadly my Government have different ideas.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

wait so if i have one grandparent who is/was irish, i can go there too? i didnt know i had so many options! ;-) i guess i will be making a major decision this november. ;-)

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 18:15 (twenty-two years ago)

eurotrash: the world is yours!!

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 20 May 2004 02:38 (twenty-two years ago)

If I were an Eastern European Jew with a plausible claim of German heritage, given the factors of terrorism and military duty, and the benefits of EU membership, I would probably opt for Germany over Israel.

problem is that, except for russia and the former ssrs', i don't think that there are that many eastern european jews left in those countries.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 20 May 2004 02:41 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, maybe the numbers are down because they're running out of jews?

I think if i wasnt religious, and i'm not, and I was living in russia, and I'm not, i would go to fucking germany too! what the fuck, i dont wanna be used by the government as a political tool nor do i want to get blown up, nor do i want to be drafted into the army. I'm not into techno musicnow, but i'm sure i could learn to like it.

― AaronK (AaronK), Thursday, 20 May 2004 11:41 (twenty-two years ago)

how do you feel about oompah?

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 20 May 2004 11:43 (twenty-two years ago)

loompah?

― AaronK (AaronK), Thursday, 20 May 2004 11:50 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread rulz

― 24 hours with the King of Snake. (SNAKE!) (ex machina), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

wait so if i have one grandparent who is/was irish, i can go there too?

I knew guys in college who got Irish passports under this policy.

― j.lu (j.lu), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah.

however, like Israel we operate a strange Right of Return policy whereby it is only people whose ancestors lived here in the mists of time who can claim citizenship. The rest of us are refugees in our own country.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)

DV, you have a very narrow perspective on who the Jewish people are.
And yes, one can obtain citizenship to almost any EU country through a grandparent rule (or one to similar effect) + a naturalization proceedure. Same as Israel.

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

except in israel your grandparent's needn't have been from israel....

― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 21 May 2004 03:34 (twenty-two years ago)

because as we all know israel was completely devoid of human habitation before 1940.

― dyson (dyson), Friday, 21 May 2004 03:41 (twenty-two years ago)

????

no my point is just that you only have to have *jewish* origins, not israeli ones... so the situation is different than in the european nations.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 21 May 2004 03:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Israel is a relatively new country.
Compare with other newly formed countries ... I'm quite sure that many Croatians gained Croatian citizenship even though they weren't living in (what is now) Croatia proper at the time of that countries' formation, and hadn't been for generations.
Now re-apply this to the former Czechoslovakia, the former Soviet Union, re-unified Germany, Poland after WWII, India and Pakistan ... and the list goes on.

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 21 May 2004 04:50 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.parnasas.com/PopArena/Articles/potato/1newgraphics/akbar1.jpg

IT'S A TRAP!!!!!1

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 21 May 2004 05:16 (twenty-two years ago)

but lithuania/iraq/etc. have never been claimed to be a part of israel, not to mention to chicago!

the purpose of the israeli patriation law is to provide a home for any jew--in the context of the 40s, that is to say, any jew who is persecuted abroad. whether you think the continuation of this policy is good or not, it differs as fundamentally from repatriation policies in western europe as "the jews" differ from "the french" as nations.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 21 May 2004 05:43 (twenty-two years ago)

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