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1st morning, 1st test.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 20 May 2004 09:09 (twenty-two years ago)

* dashes home to put the telly on

― caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 20 May 2004 09:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't do that.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 20 May 2004 09:15 (twenty-two years ago)

If only I could watch the cricket and post to ILE at the same time.

― caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 20 May 2004 09:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmm - 47/0 NZ. They've left out Bond, which is interesting. And Jones got the nod ahead of Anderson, which is odd since the ball ought to swing a bit.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 20 May 2004 09:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Except it isn't noticeably as yet, and the lines they're bowling just aren't doing anything.

― Matt (Matt), Thursday, 20 May 2004 09:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I wasn't really thinking of today - but it's gonna be a bit more overcast Fri/Sat. I suppose Hoggard moves the ball in the air too, but with Harmison, Jones and Flintoff you've got three bowlers of the 'bang it into the pitch' variety and that may be one too many.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 20 May 2004 09:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Shane Bond is injured Dr C!

― jel, Thursday, 20 May 2004 10:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Am expecting NZ to win this

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 20 May 2004 10:08 (twenty-two years ago)

didn't kent beat them earlier in the week?

so is michael vaughan jel!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 20 May 2004 10:12 (twenty-two years ago)

New Zealand will have a batting collapse, 156-8 by close, I reckon.

― jel, Thursday, 20 May 2004 10:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Why are they still picking Nasser Hussain? Boring git.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 20 May 2004 10:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Because his dad, Saddam, has influence at the ECB.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 20 May 2004 10:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I love how the former England captain is named after two of leading anti-Western Arab leaders of the 20th century

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 20 May 2004 10:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Mark Butcher of Baghdad.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 20 May 2004 10:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha ha

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 20 May 2004 10:39 (twenty-two years ago)

hooray for ESPN, boo for really boring pitch so far

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 20 May 2004 11:45 (twenty-two years ago)

grauniad are doing dead composers today apparently...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Thursday, 20 May 2004 11:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh is Bond injured again? When did this happen - he played in at least one of the warm-up games.

NZ looking good - and they bat down to 9. Could be a long day for us.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 20 May 2004 11:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Think he got injured about a week ago.

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 20 May 2004 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

OMG WTF chris cairns blasted 82 off 47!!! but NZ have been bowled out now.

really wish I was at home.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 21 May 2004 10:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Heh, working from home has its benefits.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Friday, 21 May 2004 10:29 (twenty-two years ago)

There is a player called Chris Martin, I notice, poor sod

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Friday, 21 May 2004 10:31 (twenty-two years ago)

ricardo- urge to kill...its NOT fading

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 21 May 2004 10:33 (twenty-two years ago)

will apples be thrown at the fella?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 21 May 2004 10:34 (twenty-two years ago)

We need to bat well. I don't think we bowled badly - Cairns has done this to us before. A pity we don't have a spinner.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 21 May 2004 11:10 (twenty-two years ago)

204-1!! Strauss almost out!

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 21 May 2004 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

yay!

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 21 May 2004 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I hope Strauss is the real deal and Nasser can finally be retired

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 21 May 2004 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I was thinking that this is pretty much it for Nasser, and this will give Duncan a headache for the second test if Vaughan can get back. Nasser is (or was) a great player and captain, but I don't know why are eng insist on playing him if he's not gonna play against the aussies.

295-4, Butcher played a silly shot but hoggard did well to stay on for so long.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 22 May 2004 09:54 (twenty-two years ago)

so eng bowled out, lead of 55, NZ so far 25-1. really good game, enjoyed the flintoff-jones partnership and a shame that they've cut bits of that by putting the damn racing on.

(also geoff boycott is back, anyone know what's the story behind this?)

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 22 May 2004 13:58 (twenty-two years ago)

hi! i like cricket but this isn't on tv here :-( it would be if we got SKYTV :-( fuck you skytv

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Saturday, 22 May 2004 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

when eng were beating the west indies, it was on skytv. but I didn't have sky. so fuck you, sky.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 22 May 2004 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

New Zealand are edging ahead now, but I think it'll be a draw. I think Nasser will survive, but Ashley Giles probably won't be playing at Headingly. It'd be good if England gave Anderson another chance.

― jel -- (jel), Saturday, 22 May 2004 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Boycott had throat cancer last year and was apparently very close to death. I know this cos Ceefax Sport had an obituary for Boycs ready in the 'scratch' section, about to go live on telly at any moment, when I was working there.

― darren (darren), Saturday, 22 May 2004 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Thankfully though he got his throat to the pitch of the ball, and didn't try and hit it too hard, etc, and the great man survived.

― darren (darren), Saturday, 22 May 2004 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I think there will be a result, based on the amount of time left. Could go either way.

Boycott is fantastic as a summariser.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Saturday, 22 May 2004 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Channel 4's package as a whole is really quite something, though Nicholas can be far too smarmy for my particular liking, as can Reeve. Boycott reminds me of my granddad in a way, the whole "now lad, don't be doing that" thing. He is very good though.

I really like the virtual scoreboard they bring up too. It's so... classy.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Saturday, 22 May 2004 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)

There will be a result. I knew Boycott had throat cancer but he was sacked after that court case and the surrounding media circus and I was just wondering why he was bought back.

Nasser's position is shaky, really. We need to see where we can use Strauss (middle order or opening with vaughan), and give him a run in the team, so unless nasser makes a matchwinning score I can't see him playing in the second test.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 22 May 2004 19:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I liked it when Boyc was talking about Matthew Hoggard coming over to his house for tea to talk about his bowling, but Boyc made him talk about Hoggy's batting instead.

Mark Nicholas is great.

It'd be tres and strauss opening I think, Vaughan would be good at number 4. Though, I fully expect Nasser to make a match winning score.

― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 23 May 2004 08:40 (twenty-two years ago)

jel- I see what you're saying but I don't see Vaughan being shifted down. He's got his fantastic average and has scored most of his runs at the top of the order.

A fanstatic session. We bowled tight but until Simon Jones came in, we weren't menacing enough. He really worked for that wicket and we were in, and Giles got a couple. Surprisingly nice spell from him, too.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 23 May 2004 10:39 (twenty-two years ago)

This is shaping up for a great Test Match finish, this... and yep, I really like Mark Nicholas as a presenter, too. He's self-satisfied in an actually very likeable way!

― Tom May (Tom May), Sunday, 23 May 2004 14:53 (twenty-two years ago)

It's possibly been the most average test match I've seen in every sense. Which possibly makes it the best.

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Sunday, 23 May 2004 15:03 (twenty-two years ago)

A representative test match, eh? Ashley Giles taking three wickets in an innings *in England* rules that out surely!? :)

And I would actually place England and New Zealand above the average, in terms of Test sides at the moment. Possibly even contesting for third place after South Africa.

― Tom May (Tom May), Sunday, 23 May 2004 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Bob bloody Nobody could've bowled spin out there and got 3 wickets. The God of Mundane was at work.

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Sunday, 23 May 2004 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)

"Ma' mum coulda taikun un 'at treek on t' dat wikit!" Has Boycott not said such like yet? ;)

Admittedly, I've not been able to *watch* it; having to make do with TMS, as I'm at uni. and without TV (and ought anyway to be getting down with some serious revision... ;)). But yep, they have been saying it's turning a fair bit... Vettori may be dangerous tomorrow. If Thorpe gets in and plays well, I'd bet England to win it. Otherwise, a draw should be possible...

― Tom May (Tom May), Sunday, 23 May 2004 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah Nicholas is ok. And it was a good spell from giles, we know he isn't like warne or murali (who is?) but we need a spinner for balance in the side and until we can get somebody better he will do.

County cricket's ultimate failure. Also the 'my mum could have done better' arg is lame lynskey.

250+ is psychological barrier for ANY team to overcome so I'd say new zealand to win (if eng had only 240 to get then they would've been favourites). But yeah its tight, and a great match, I really enjoyed it.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 23 May 2004 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Bob Bloody Nobody - Test Career

Matches 20
Wickets 16
Runs Conceaded 1,289
Average: 80.56
Catches 2
Runs 450
Average: 11.84
Highest Score: 23* vs Australia 1936 at Headingly
Best Bowling: 3-87 vs India 1937 at The Oval

― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 23 May 2004 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

England will win, I think.

― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 23 May 2004 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Vettori is less dangerous than Ashley Giles.

― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 23 May 2004 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

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Caddick's 35. If he's on form, I might have played him at Headingley... in 2000, the match at Headingley v.s. West Indies; we went for the first two days and thus ended up seeing the entire Test! Caddick bowled superbly in the second innings; four wickets in an over at one stage I think...

― Tom May (Tom May), Thursday, 3 June 2004 12:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Vaughan won the toss! What a turn up for the books.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 3 June 2004 12:14 (twenty-two years ago)

As i recall caddick is excellent taker of wickets in the 2nd innings, much more so than in the 1st. But so is harminson.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 3 June 2004 12:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, Andy Caddick is one of my favourite players, but I think his injury has really put an end to his test career. It'd be great if England could get a couple more years of 2000-era Caddy.

36-1 or something innit? HAHA, I'm glad Sky is getting the rain affected match.

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 3 June 2004 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

3 quick wickets for eng 215-4.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

New ball's doing a bit....

― Matt (Matt), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah hopefully eng can get a couple more tonight.

Apparently butcher held a great catch for the 4th wicket.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:57 (twenty-two years ago)

NZ 263-5.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 4 June 2004 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

eng 507-7. flintoff missed his hundred, jones is on 91 not out. we're getting a lead of over 100.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 6 June 2004 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

100 for Jones!

Looks like a draw.

― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 6 June 2004 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, you said that then... NZ 102-5 at the close, with a long day ahead and only four more batsmen to come after Oram and Styris; two of whom are injured - Papps and Vettori. The current pair and Cairns are really their only hope, and I don't think any of them are the sorts to hang around like an Athers or Richardson... England will, weather-permitting, clearly win this one. Should be an interesting day; either some long resistance and quite a few runs from the Kiwis which tees it up fascinatingly, or a comfortable England win.

A great day for England, wasn't it? And disastrous for the battered New Zealand team; as TMS were saying, they're going to have to ring up local league sides to draft in various replacements. Don't forget Astle, McMillan, Tuffey and Bond all have injuries of sorts, too.

― Tom May (Tom May), Sunday, 6 June 2004 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah there's injuries but eng are coming along, great to see that Jones has that killer instinct, his hundred prob what killed them off.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 6 June 2004 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Geraint Jones seems to be quite a find; his batting is so significantly greater than Chris Read's that there's no doubt he's in for years now. And he's got time on his side to improve as a 'keeper. The new Stewart? Possibly... though does anyone know what his first class record is; does he manage a prolific amount of runs at county level?

― Tom May (Tom May), Sunday, 6 June 2004 23:19 (twenty-two years ago)

FIRST-CLASS
(2001 - 2004; last updated 05/06/2004)
M I NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 Ct St
Batting & Fielding 31 41 8 1439 108* 43.60 3 9 81 8

not three bad

― Matt (Matt), Monday, 7 June 2004 08:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I was watching the highlights, great catch of hoggard's 'impossible' delivery to richardson, also wonderful six to bring up his 50, big on celebrations for his 100. This man knows how to enjoy his cricket.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 7 June 2004 09:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Crikey

― Matt (Matt), Monday, 7 June 2004 09:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I think we may win this.

Kiwi colleague just told me how an Auckland player was in the crowd and got brought on as a sub as they've been so badly hit by injuries!!

― chris (chris), Monday, 7 June 2004 09:40 (twenty-two years ago)

It's their own daft fault for only bringing fourteen players for a three test series.

― Matt (Matt), Monday, 7 June 2004 09:46 (twenty-two years ago)

45 to win? even england cant fook that up.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 7 June 2004 09:49 (twenty-two years ago)

45 to win the series. Fair play to Oram though, sounds like he did some quality lower order twatting.

― Jonnie, Monday, 7 June 2004 09:50 (twenty-two years ago)

41 to win...

― Matt (Matt), Monday, 7 June 2004 09:55 (twenty-two years ago)

we've won by 9 wickets!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 7 June 2004 10:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow Australianesque charge to victoy with those attacking fields.

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Monday, 7 June 2004 10:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Fly slips!

― Matt (Matt), Monday, 7 June 2004 12:16 (twenty-two years ago)

silly wasp off!

― jel -- (jel), Monday, 7 June 2004 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Pretty fly for a slip fielder.

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Monday, 7 June 2004 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Has anyone been watching today? I followed a bit on the Guardian - sounds like it's very much a batsman's pitch. But I haven't seen a ball of it on the telly.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 10 June 2004 12:10 (twenty-two years ago)

135-0 off 43 overs. Trent bridge is a pretty good wicket as I recall, and it takes some turn towards later on.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 10 June 2004 12:14 (twenty-two years ago)

horrible slow pitch good for batting, hours of toil for the bowlers, personally I'm much more into unpredictable pitches and gritty batting.

296-4 at the end, NZ will make a big score, but England will probably too. Might get interesting late Saturday.

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 10 June 2004 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Toufel is having a bit of a 'mare.

Going to be a very tense afternoon, NZ are back in control. Cairn's slow ball is brilliant, and Franklin has been great. I'm concerned.

Haha, good old Ashley Giles.

― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 13 June 2004 10:43 (twenty-two years ago)

who will win this?

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 13 June 2004 10:48 (twenty-two years ago)

At the moment, I'm thinking NZ.

If Butcher and Vaughan can get a good partnership going then England can win it, but England's batsman have an end of term look about them.

― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 13 June 2004 10:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Well I think it's going to be close and as the first 2 wickets fell I had little hope for England, but I dunno now they seem to have dug in a bit.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Sunday, 13 June 2004 13:11 (twenty-two years ago)

and just as I posted, oh crumbs

― Ste (Fuzzy), Sunday, 13 June 2004 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

crumbs indeed!

Still 150 short, conceading a first innings lead is going to cost England.

― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 13 June 2004 13:17 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe freddy can rescue england with a lucky slogging frenzy.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Sunday, 13 June 2004 13:20 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe, but one thing that this pitch has proven: if you get too over confident, you get out. Freddie definetely needs to bat out of the crease.

Also, what did Hawkeye say about Butcher's LB? It looked like it was going down leg side to me.

― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 13 June 2004 13:23 (twenty-two years ago)

also, I don't like that tea no londer co-ordinates with actual proper tea time!

― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 13 June 2004 13:26 (twenty-two years ago)

it looked good on the replays to me.

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 13 June 2004 13:26 (twenty-two years ago)

ah well, that's okay then!

better get back to it, later dudes!

― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 13 June 2004 13:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Talk about a vital session.

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Sunday, 13 June 2004 13:30 (twenty-two years ago)

ha ha why did channel4 just show slow motion footage of a cute girl walking with a tray of drinks? It was like a cheesy beer commercial.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Sunday, 13 June 2004 13:53 (twenty-two years ago)

mmmm cheesy beer

Only been watching since tea but very entertaining

― Ed (dali), Sunday, 13 June 2004 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

YES! 3-0!

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Sunday, 13 June 2004 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Bloody hell.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Sunday, 13 June 2004 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

HOORAH!

Bring on the Aussies!!!!

Feel kinda sorry for NZ, terrible luck with the injuries and they never really played that badly. Still, great series victory and hopefully Ashely Giles will get man of the match and stick one to the haters ;)

― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 13 June 2004 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Ashley was robbed!

Anyway, well done Thorpey.

Man of series NZ, has got to be Mark Richardson, and it is!

Dunno who it'll be for England...

― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 13 June 2004 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

It's Steve Harmison, which is well deserved I think.

― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 13 June 2004 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Fantastic result! Knew Butcher would come good in the end, shame abt Cairns really but he almost pulled it off on his own, especially after jones was out. Giles did well, NZ got tired very quickly.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 13 June 2004 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

ahem, well done England.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Sunday, 13 June 2004 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

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