Anyone know anyone in Amw@y?

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I know this guy in Amway. he's alright, but his amw@y friends suck. it's kind of like a cult, ya know. any experiences or thoughts about this organization?

Debito (Debito), Friday, 21 May 2004 02:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Mormonism without the religion part, I once heard it described to me.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 May 2004 02:34 (twenty-two years ago)

An aquaintance once asked if he could come to my home to show me a way to make $$$. I granted his request under one condition: That it had nothing to do with Amway.

"Oh, no nothing like that", said he.

So I let him come by.

What a liar. Are they all like this?

jim wentworth (wench), Friday, 21 May 2004 02:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 21 May 2004 02:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I know someone who did Cutco. (Me.)

Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Friday, 21 May 2004 03:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I went for a job with Cutco once. It was in this big room with about 100 people and a big American guy, waxing bollocks and flashing the 327846982134 certificates/promotions he'd received since he joined the company. Then he started delicately outlining the huge benefits and leviathan joy to be had by selling steak knives door-to-door. At that point I stood up, excused myself, and left, and the guy gave me the most fierce look I've ever seen.

Amway? Urgh. A friend tried flogging me the Amway lifestyle once. Never saw him again.

I Wish You Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 21 May 2004 03:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I just went to an Amway rally here in Tokyo. It took place at the TOkyo Dome, which is the equivalent of having an Amway rally in Yankee Stadium or Wimbledom. There were at least 30,000 people there. the founder of Amway gave a speech (yes, he's still alive). he was an ass. the whole thing was completely bizarre and creepy. the pyschological tactics they use are clearly cult-like.

Debito (Debito), Friday, 21 May 2004 03:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Was the founder this Rich DeVos guy, excerpted here?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 May 2004 03:40 (twenty-two years ago)

That's the guy. What is that webpage? Why does it have my ILM post on it? In only like 2 hours. I'm confused and scared.

Debito (Debito), Friday, 21 May 2004 04:07 (twenty-two years ago)

It's an automatic trackback feature, like the internal trackbacks within ILXOR between threads. If there's a concern over this, drop a note to the ILE mods (I'm not one of them at present).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 May 2004 04:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Scamway - they don't actually ever try to sell you their products - just the concept. I got suckered into a presentation once .. the guy drew out the heirarchy of the "multilevel marketing organization" .. I told him it looked like a pyramid (and that's exactly what it is.)

One of his tactics was "Are you really doing what you thought you'd be doing when you went to college" .. somehow equating that with failing in your career .. My wife answered with, "I didn't think in college that I would be selling Amway for a living, I can tell you that."

A friend of mine went to a "job interview" to be a marketing assistant - and when she got there, she found out it was an amway presentation.

.. They do have a good water-repellant that you can use on your winshield or in a fiberglass bathtub - it's really a pretty good product, and it's lasted me for 8 years now. But it isn't worth the hassle of actually buying it.

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 21 May 2004 10:45 (twenty-two years ago)

The lead singer of our band tried to enroll me. I ate his liver, no I didn't. I told him My mum and sister had done Amway for a while, and I hadn't joined them (which was true). My sis did it for a while, but found she couldn't get the stocks, and got fed up with paying for rubbish seminars all the time.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 21 May 2004 10:52 (twenty-two years ago)

When I went to 'singer's house, on his noticeboard was a sign saying "gold level by christmas'.... Is that what you are supposed to do?

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 21 May 2004 10:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I was in the business for a while. My brother sponsored me. I think he and my father are still theoretically involved, but they aren't exactly active.

I was in the rather massive Dexter Yager group. When I heard him speak, I found him a rather scarey character with a combination of lots of charisma and really horrible views. Kind of the least thoughtful fundamentalist Christian super right-winger possible. He said things like: "AIDS is the devil taking his own." (That one is very close to verbatim.) One minute, "I never went in for that turn the other cheek stuff," and another, "I don't know why these people have this theory of evolution. They could just read the Bible and find out the truth." (Not very verbatim, but captures the gist of what he said.) Birdie Yager (yes, Birdie Yager): "Women's lib. is the most satanic force of the past thirty years" (or something like that). On "Free Enterprise Day," Yager had people like Oliver North speak to his group. Etc. etc. I dropped out shortly after hearing Yager speak for the first time, although that was only part of the reason. (I realized that to make as much money as I wanted, I would have to try to make every interaction with anyone a business transaction, 27/7, and I realized I wasn't willing to do that.) My brother is not a right-winger, incidentally, nor a fundamentalist, though he's not so distant from fundamentalism in some respects. (I think he might be comfortable describing himself as an evangelical, but he's probably a bit more liberal than most.)

Despite my disdain for the Amway distributor culture (at least in my group), I never considered it a scam until recently. Kenny Stewart, who was one of the poster-boy success stories when I was in Amway, has apparently sued a number of other big-whigs, and now claims (as others have in the past) that sales and marketing plan is misleading; and that the profit from the selling of "motivational tools" and events within the system is actually necessary to make a lot of money in Amway.

There's a lot of great critical stuff online about it.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 21 May 2004 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

"ain't gonna work in the fields no more/ Gonna be Amway distributor"

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 21 May 2004 13:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I would have to try to make every interaction with anyone a business
transaction, 27/7

Can I borrow those extra three hours per day you have?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 May 2004 13:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I remember in the presidential debates on '96 - Clinton -v- Dole .. It was a town-hall debate & Clinton asked one of the good citizens what he did for a living. "I'm an Amway salesman." Clinton paused for about a second and said, "well - good for you."

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 21 May 2004 14:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned, only if you really understand the higher math behind it.

(A typo actually.)

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 21 May 2004 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Can I borrow those extra three hours per day you have?

Ask La Monte Young about the 27-hour day.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 21 May 2004 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)


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