'natural born killers'

watching this now. well, i have it on in the background as i supposedly try to work. i can't remember the last time i saw this. wtf @ this movie.

i am just going to assume he barred the door to the editing room and had a scarface-style mound of blow

I remember really liking this a lot the first time I saw it when I was 17, and then hating it the second time I watched when I was 23.

Maybe I should watch it again.

i was a sheltered kid. i saw this and pulp fiction on the same night, at my friend steve lieberskind's house. there were a bunch of other kids around hooting and cackling, and i was basically hiding under the couch. super traumatizing. when i re-saw it, i was all 'what the fuck? why did this shit have to take my cherry? it's not even good'

^^ terrible post, i'm sorry

saw this in the theater and mind was blown that steven jesse bernstein was playing over the credits so I forgave a lot of what came afterwards

also of all films to put on as "background", it's like putting on slayer to so some light calisthenics

haha it came up in my netflix "you may also like..." list. admittedly i haven't gotten much work done.

I had mixed feelings at the time, would undoubtedly have mixed feelings today. The thing I most remember is sitting my dad in front of the TV one day and suggesting he might like this (he was in his 60s). I can't even begin to fathom why I thought that. We got maybe 20 minutes into it, up to the Rodney Dangerfield sequence, and that was enough. The best defense of the film I've read, if you can track it down, was Stanley Kauffmann's review.

i still think the prison riot sequence gets a pretty high level of horror across on a purely visual/vibe level, but overall this thing is so muddled on every other level that it's kind of impressive as an artifact of someone pushing way too hard.

I was 15 or so when I saw it and I shot finger-guns at pedestrians from the window of my friend's minivan all the way home.

I hated this when I saw it in the theater, other than the mix of film stock, which was kind of a neat exercise.

yeah he was definitely playing around with that a lot in jfk, then completely went bananas with it here.

did he do anything like that in nixon? it's been too long since i've seen it to remember. i think he dropped it as a technique pretty cold turkey after nbk.

this movie is amazing

did he do anything like that in nixon? it's been too long since i've seen it to remember. i think he dropped it as a technique pretty cold turkey after nbk.

it's all over the Doors too

but I guess that was first...?

I seem to remember some of that popping up in U-Turn too, but I don't remember much of that one. It is definitely all over Nixon, which is kind of underrated.

I saw this in the theater immediately after taking a college seminar on satire so I pretty much spent the entire movie marveling at how it marched down the satire checklist ticking off boxes as it went along. I think I enjoyed it a lot more than I normally would have as a result.

best part of this is Robert Downey Jr telling his wife he was going to come home and jam a hot pepper up her ass.

yeah i actually lol'd at a lot of rdj's lines.

one of my favorite roles of his. love the aussie accent

WAYNE GAYUL

i was THERE in GRENADA. i saw it ALL GO DOWN in GRENADA.

did he do anything like that in nixon?

Yes, a lot. One of my favourite films.

I saw this opening weekend, liked it for about five minutes.

The close-up of Nixon avidly slicing into rare meat in Nixon as he discusses destroying Dems and Vietnamese forests is scarier than anything in NBK.

there's a book on the making of this by what's-her-name who later became a political blogger. it's pretty entertaining.

i never cared much for the movie. stone basically just re-uses his JFK editing style and amps it up to 12.

Saw this for the first time earlier this week. Somehow never watched it during my Tarantino frenzy when I was 11/12. Probably would've loved it then but man this thing is dated, very quaint in many ways: information overload in a pre-internet age, the lionization of serial killers as celebrities, denouncement of TV... I loved the hyperkinetic collage aspect of the movie and the surrealism, but even that had bits that were very stale (the comic book interludes). thin gruel for plot, and tired Tarantinoisms... but I just loved the way it was made, and would love to see more movies with this really aggressive approach to editing and surrealism.

Tarantino hates it, i think? I thought it was pretty funny upon first release, certainly preferable to anything i've seen by Ollie since.

Yeah, that's why I never bothered watching it when I was younger. Sorta wish I did, because it really is kind of jejune and full of repeated themes. the whole 90s angle of TV is rotting our brains and corrupting our morality, and celebrity serial killers...it really does feel kind of innocent now. I rewatched Stone's W. recently and loved it, so much more than when I saw it in October 2008. Making time to watch Nixon this week, might have to split it up over a few nights...

flappy bird OTM

Nixon is an underestimated movie. NBK is almost beyond criticism for me. It's so singularly weird and fucked up. It's not quite 'good', and it doesn't say anything, but I like that it exists.

would love to see more movies with this really aggressive approach to editing

jfk!

nixon is a very fun movie (for stretches) and full of famous people playing famous people, many of whom (inc hopkins) do good jobs. i am helpless before some of its melodrama ("over the BODIES...", sam waterston's turn as literal demon richard helms) but its take on nixon is not partic compelling imo. m/l buys into the "if only he had been loved" thesis rather than drawing connections between nixon's pathology and nixonian america's. more importantly, despite plenty of quick cuts to newsreels it is not the frankly breathtaking editing job jfk is. it suffers from not being a "process movie", which is one of jfk's major strengths.

opening sequence, from matthew to sales training filmstrip to shameless universal-horror establishing shot of white house as evil mansion, is great imo.

I’m getting old and not hip to the times, but this strikes me ad being ripe for gen z (re)discovery

The other day I was wondering how this holds up.

I loved this movie in the '90s and I love it now and seeing people dunk on it makes me feel like some kind of philistine

Yeah, I think it’s good, holds up in many ways. Tons of fantastic images.

I would rewatch this for sure, haven't seen it since the OG theater run

I conflate the over-the-top approach here with Cecil B. Demented a bit, editing tricks aside?

First half of this is Stone's best work, second half is his typical soapbox grandstanding.

I saw this when it came out. I remember being appalled. I've mostly tried to forget it.

i was obsessed w this movie when it came out but it also feels very of its time. the reznor-compiled soundtrack was a huge deal for 90’s me, maybe even more than the movie

I think the soundtrack holds up more than the movie ... I was actually just thinking about this movie recently, because my two current fave tv shows are Yellowjackets (with Juliette Lewis) and White House Plumbers (with Woody Harrelson)

I was an usher at a movie theatre when this came out. Introduced me to The Future, which I still love, which played over the closing credits as I was sweeping up.

Rep theatre screening, first time since seeing it a couple of times when it came out. Its pedigree is sort of interesting to think about: a mix of the kill-crazy outlaw genre (Gun Crazy, Bonnie and Clyde, Badlands, Pretty Poison, etc.) and the perverse celebrity genre (A Face in the Crowd, Network, Being There, To Die For, etc.) In case you manage to miss the latter, there's a helpful collage of clips at the end--Lyle Menendez, O.J., Nancy Kerrigan--to spell that out. Very much a film of its moment.

It's close to unwatchable, though. I hedged when I posted on this thread 13 years ago, but it really is a head-in-a-vice ordeal from start to finish. Woody Harrelson was smart enough to underplay, so he comes out of it okay, and Juliet Lewis does all right too.

Tonya Harding, I should say.

i think even at the time i liked the soundtrack more than the movie. one of my favorite soundtracks ever.

lol at me just repeating the same thing i said upthread last year

would it have been different significantly if tarantino had directed it? or received differently? gratuitously pandering violence is pro forma for q and is seen as a feature not a bug but without that aegis it's called out for what it is, is what i'm asking.

gen jonsers and gen x-ers can get away with all kinds of shady stuff because irony and sarcasm and referentiality but stone is not one of those.

QT famously hates the film, but I don't know. If nothing else, Tommy Lee Jones and Tom Sizemore would have been less cartoonish. (I did notice that Scagnetti, the name of Sizemore's character, is the same as Seymour Scagnetti, Michael Madsen's parole officer in Reservoir Dogs).

Brothers, as I suspected: https://omniversity.fandom.com/wiki/Tarantino_Universe.

I don't think I've ever seen this entire movie (I walked out of an advance screening in college), but I did/do enjoy the soundtrack. I feel it was a turning point in the renewed appreciation of Leonard Cohen as (inter)national treasure.

There a few Leonard Cohen songs on his first two albums I love, but I'll be honest: I hated the opening song in NBK. L7 and Patti Smith were the highlights of the soundtrack for me.

I love "The Future," the L7 and NIN tracks, Dylan's cover -- beautifully sequenced soundtrack. I'm afraid I can't stand Patti Smith's track, even at the time: she sounds like a kid on a playground stamping her feet trying to be offensive.