Movies about doubles, doppelgangers, stolen identities and the like

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Tell me about movies using this particular "noir" plot device...

thing of thing, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 11:33 (twenty-two years ago)

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Jerry Lewis: "Ja Ja Mein General But Which Way to the Front?"

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 11:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Freaky Friday?

Dadaismus. (ex machina), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 11:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Trading Places > Freaky Friday.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 11:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha ha, how do you do that? x-post

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 11:37 (twenty-two years ago)

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Norman Wisdom: The Square Peg

(Almost the same plot as "Which Way to the Front?")

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 11:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Trading Places > All Of Me > The Bourne Identity > The Talented Mr Ripley > Vice Versa > Freaky Friday

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 11:42 (twenty-two years ago)

'Performance'
'Partner' (Bertolucci)
'Barrocco' (Techine, stars Depardieu and Adjani)
'Persona' (Bergman)
'Strangers on a Train'
'Fight Club'

Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 11:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Let's see how this one goes.

Dadaismus  (ex machina), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 11:49 (twenty-two years ago)

nice

Be sure to Loop! Loop, Loop, Loop. (ex machina), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 11:49 (twenty-two years ago)

The Return of Martin Guerre

Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 11:49 (twenty-two years ago)

"Despair" (Fassbinder)

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 11:49 (twenty-two years ago)

A weird one is a neo-noir thriller called "Suture" - with supposedly identical twins played by a black and a white guy.

Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 12:02 (twenty-two years ago)

'Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde'

Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 12:06 (twenty-two years ago)

er, 'doppleganger'. 8) (it's one of 20 or so movies called 'doppleganger' (this one is probably better known as 'journey to the far side of the sun') but this one was the first time i'd heard the word used). gerry and sylvia anderson no less.

'Face Off', 'The Net'... 'Seconds' was on here the other night which sounds relevant but i haven't seen it yet. great title sequence though.

koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 12:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't believe not a single Jean Claude Van Damme film has been mentioned yet.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 12:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Roger Moore in interesting film shockah!

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 12:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never seen "Suture," but from what I've read about it, the plot seems remarkably close to the Nabokov novel "Despair." Which makes me want to see it.

NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw it when it came out, my memory's a bit hazy but I think it sounds a lot better than it actually was. I remember it had a female doctor in it called Dr. Renée Descartes! Yes, that sort of movie.

Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never seen "Suture," but from what I've read about it, the plot seems remarkably close to the Nabokov novel "Despair." Which makes me want to see it.

Have you seen Fassbinder's "Despair"? Not one of his better efforts it must be admitted.

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Nope. Is it based off of the Nabokov novel, or does it just have the same name?

NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)

It's based on the Nabokov novel - Dirk Bogarde, Andrea Ferreol, pretty annoyingly camp all in all

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmm, now I remember reading about that as one of the few Nabokov film adaptations (the others being the two Lolitas, and The Luzhin Defense).

NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh there's another one too, definitely

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:27 (twenty-two years ago)

'Based' but w/ added Fascist chic. And a Stoppard script. His shot at the 'international co-production' style.

Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:27 (twenty-two years ago)

i like fassbinder's despair a lot!

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm going to add femme fatale to this list

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

also north by northwest, in a way

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Was Laughter in the Dark ever made into a movie? The big 2-volume Nabokov bio makes an argument for this being his 'cinematic' novel, and I seem to remember it being considered for an adaptation at some point, but can't recall whether it was ever actually made.
This may be a horrible idea, but I fantasize about a movie of Pnin starring Will Ferrell. It could be his bridge into serious cinema, starting out as a comedy but gradually becoming more tragic.

NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

i always imagined someone more like rod steiger playing pnin

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

you know, one of those countless rod steiger types clogging up hollywood these days

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

did you ever see the movie of the luzhin defense NA? (i didn't)

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Very x-post. "Desapir", that's right, Tom Stoppard wrote it! You'd expect it to be great but it ain't. Other Nabokov adaptation:

King, Queen, Knave

Starring Barbara Valentin, David Niven (!), Mario Adorf, Gina Lollobrigida , Carl Duering , John Moulder-Brown

written by David Seltzer, David Shaw

directed by Jerzy Skolimowski(!!)


Barbara Valentin was a Fassbinder regular - she might even be in "Despair" but don't think she was

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

king queen knave with gina lollobrigida?!?!?!

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

that's crazy!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd never heard of that one! But that's one of the ones I haven't read yet.
I've seen Luzhin Defense, but I haven't read that one yet either (it's next on my list). It was mediocre.

NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, it didn't look so hot (good casting tho). the book is good tho!

(so is king queen knave, for the "blind" first 30 pages or so alone!)

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Was Laughter in the Dark ever made into a movie?

YEAH, by Tony Richardson. W/ Anna Karina and ?bloke from Fahrenheit 451? Set in Swinging London.1969.

eNRIQUE (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)

really?! i didn't realize there had been so many adaptations!

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd like to see Bend Sinister starring Leon Botstein.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Bloke from Fahrenheit 451 = Oskar Werner?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

david lynch to thread

trading places

kephm, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)

thirteen years pass...

been thinking about the concept of doubles so much lately. yes the new Twin Peaks but also reading Hollywood Babylon recently. i think there is something in it that gets to the core of the human psyche, it is something found throughout practices in various faiths as well as in pop culture and hyper consumerism. creation of and identifying with the avatar. the doppledanger. the scapegoat. i was thinking of how some people used to call David Lynch a pervert or sicko while being outspoken fans of his work, in essence he was a projection, a third party, that they could blame, while still participating in the viewing of the more extreme subject matter.

this is why Hollywood (hence Hollywood Babylon) is such a big theme in his work, it is an industry based on the creation of the personal myths. before the creation of the star system actors were just "Man getting on train" or "Woman being saved" but the legend of Hollywood changed all of that. now, the actor's name was in giant letters, their image literally "larger than life". this was a projection, a magical act that is naturally transfixing and mesmerizing. Hollywood offered "More stars than there are in heaven" while Crowley was proclaiming "Every man and woman is a star". people followed their stars with all of their hearts, with all the faith of a religious evangelical. they died for them.

around this time the influx of money and technology and atmosphere of suffrage, temperance/prohibition, pressure for regulation of the new industry, all kinds of social movements, in the midst the tabloid press (now all media, more or less) was created to feast off these new idols of the oft-craven Nouveau Riche. rich young people spend their money partying, many drugs now illegal were still legal, the prohibition of alcohol attracting to bootleggers and gangsters and drug dealers, and hanging over it all film as a new medium, possibly a flash in the pan where your career could end overnight. the Lindsay Lohans of the day who refused to play along with an entertainment industry far more exploitative than even now were thrown into sanitariums, treated with electroshock, or blacklisted, possibly as secret communist sympathizers, etc. many did not even make it that far and spent their lives chasing a dream in vain.

nowadays everyone is a star (Warhol) and everyone has a tabloid media constantly trying to morally judge them. everyone can create their own double, their own personas. no need for the Hollywood System, you can do this with your phone, you can use a webcam and reach more people live than Chaplin ever dreamed of. but is that really us? obvious allusion to Narcissus and the mirror screens we gaze into daily, liquid crystal displays of the persona we create, a persona that seeks to be validated. beware the trap of the echo chamber. the story of Narcissus and Echo has a dark irony to it, and hey, another story about doubles (Narcissus doing what Echo did and Echo helplessly watching him watch himself).

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 19 August 2017 18:34 (eight years ago)


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