I'm thinking of moving...

also we should hang out soon!! what's your schedule like this week/weekend? (email me offlist)

i should know better, but this latest warning is freaking me out too. i don't know whether i would move ... but this is wearing on me, too.

I'm obviously going to raise Seattle's flag here and say "come visit us!" and want you to see what it's all about here. I'm sure anybody here would be willing to let you stay at their place. I certainly would.

So, seriously, how do I go about moving to another city when I don't have a job or a home there yet?

Hey Mike, let's trade... I'm moving to NYC with no job or home there.

Try a few searches, I'm sure there's been a thread on this before.

I'm sorry to hear of your condition. Are you seeing a psychologist or counsellor? (I must stress: not a psychiatrist) They can be really helpful with stuff like this.

That seems a bit high stress for me. I think I'd rather snag an apartment first, then spend my time looking for a job.

How about the fact that the release contains zero new content (read the stories on this closely; some quote the sources as saying that there is no new information, only a new 'assessment')? Yes, it lists a vague timeframe for anticipated attacks. We've gotten that before. Yes, it lists some major events. We've gotten that before too. Note the explicit attempt in most stories to push the line that "the terrorists want to influence the outcome of the election" (i.e. Osama wants Kerry to win). Note that the threat level has not been raised. Note the absence of Tenet's voice from any of this. It's nothing he can deny, because it's so vague and 'historical.'

I'm not trying to cry wolf; I'm just saying that the administration would like us to live in fear as a political strategy, and that this should be taken with a grain of salt. Yes, New York is probably the least safe place you can be, and yes, you can probably assure your safety by moving to Elkhart, Indiana, but you can't predict what will happen next, where, when, or what the response will be. General Tommy Franks, former Centcom under Bush has said that if the United States is hit with a weapon of mass destruction that inflicts large casualties, "the Constitution will likely be discarded in favor of a military form of government." Where do you want to live then?

Of course I find it suspicious, of course the information is vague, of course it's convenient. At this stage of my digust with BushCo. I won't put anything past them. But my panic attacks are not entirely rational, by definition.

It's just weird. Last night they had this preview for the evening news and the newswoman said, "The National Terror alert level is as high as it's been since September 11th. More tonight at 10pm!" She had this big smile on her face and it creeped me out.

(I am not at all happy with travelling on the underground every day, and not entirely convinced with "giving up will mean the terrorists win". But, you know, this is life. Touch my bum.)

I agree too it's very suspicious, but at the same time I've read a few stories on Stratfor and elsewhere that suggest that Western intelligence services are getting increasing numbers of leads and breakthroughs vis-a-vis various terrorist groups (which makes more sense than to say 'al-Qaeda' as a whole). The story itself as reported is nearly pure vapor -- it is indeed mostly restatements of previous concerns for this year -- but the larger point is perhaps something to keep in mind.

It is not worth it to spend your life in fear of things you cannot control.

But also you should obviously not consider moving to DC. Haha when they briefed us on the emergency evacuation procedures here everybody in my whole office just laughed, like we even have a chance in hell if shit goes down.

I'm not too worked up about "terrists" cause I'm kinda oblivious and hey whaddya gonna do. But, even though it's a horrible cliche, I'm seriously considering trying to move to Canada, depending on the results of the fall election. It's not so much the actual result--either party winning is likely to have little effect on me personally--as the fact that I don't want to live in a country that *approves* of all this crap.

are 999 days after original 911 [this is June 8th 2004]
are 1000 days after original 911 [this is June 9th 2004]
and 1001 days after original 911 [this is June 10th 2004]

Bali bombing was 1 day 1 month 1 year after 911
Madrid was 911 days/ 2 and half years after 911

there are reports that secret services / military intelligence have been picking up extensive signals of terrorist build up.

google: terrorist warnings
http://news.google.com/news?q=terrorist%20warnings&num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&safe=off&sa=N&tab=wn

as reported in the media today
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/05/26/1085461837717.html
now look at what is happening on june 8th/ and june 9th
the G8 Summit on June 8-9 at Sea Island, Georgia,

UK & US goverments don't want to release the number theory as it will scare the mass public, and the media are too dumb to work it out for themselves.

lets look at the numbers:

999 - this is British emergency number - so a possible attack in Britain, possibly London

1000 the big attack on America? but where?

1001 - like Room 101 - a surprise double attack? on America the day after the first attack.

well anyway, as far as moving goes, I think the best to do is
* visit the city for a weekend, if possible. See if you at least initially like it. if you know people there, stay with them for free
* if you liked the city, then do one of the following things depending on how expensive it is:
- if expensive, try and look ahead into places or neighborhoods you'd like to move to, and get an application before you move back home
- if cheap, AND you have a willing friend hosting you, you can just look around and find a shorter six-month lease rental on the spot.

It really depends on the city you want to move to, when it comes to finding a job.

Probably the most important thing to ask is: are there jobs for me in that city given my resume/"career" at this point? Or... are there jobs willing to take me on in a completely new field, if I want to change? If there are, then it's a matter of luck and finding a job (which in these times can take a while, possibly months)

White House officials say they've got a "working premise" about terrorism and the presidential election: It's going to happen. "We assume," says a top administration official, "an attack will happen leading up to the election." And, he added, "it will happen here." There are two worst-case scenarios, the official says. The first posits an attack on Washington, possibly the Capitol, which was believed to be the target of the 9/11 jet that crashed in Pennsylvania. Theory 2: smaller but more frequent attacks in Washington and other major cities leading up to the election. To prepare, the administration has been holding secret antiterrorism drills to make sure top officials know what to do. "There was a sense," says one official involved in the drills, "of mass confusion on 9/11. Now we have a sense of order." Unclear is the political impact, though most Bushies think the nation would rally around the president. "I can tell you one thing," adds the official sternly, "we won't be like Spain," which tossed its government days after the Madrid train bombings.

Anyway, DB OTM.

GODDAMMIT FUCK YOU YOU STUPID MOTHERFUCKERS!!!@!@#!@((@#!*#!@!!!@(!@(*

sorry everybody, that just makes me so angry. Of course we won't be like Spain, neither of our major pres. candidates are advocating leaving Iraq anytime soon!

haha gabbneb randomly picks somewhere where I have a ton of family. nb this is not a recommendation for elkhart.

I think one plan would be to take a visit to a city solely for finding an apartment, and once I get there, I can take my time looking for the right job because I have quite a bit of money saved up.

Actually, teeny, that option sounds absurdly nice.

However, if you don't feel homesick and you feel the time has come for you to move, you are certainly in a position of power.

You live in one of the most expensive parts of the most expensive cities in the world. Unless you're planning to move to London or Tokyo, all other choices are going to be cheaper, if not HELLA cheaper. And you also OWN property in NYC. Again, you are certainly in a position of power. (Jen to thread)

It's just a matter of visiting a few places in mind, and it sounds like (from the choices you mentioned), you know people there that are willing to show you around and be your friend. Hell, you seem like the kind of guy that can make friends easy.

at least, I can certainly fill you in on the more social details of Seattle whenever you want. You can ask me. (perhaps on AIM someday, or in person, if you don't move by then.) Surely others here can fill you in on details of Minneapolis, Portland, Toronto, Elkhart, wherever...

A friend of mine who went there for the opening of the Warhol museum years ago said, "Nice place to live; wouldn't want to visit."

That actually sounds like my kind of town...or at least my kind of neighborhood, which of course is a totally different thing.

what'd they get you for, hstence?

I've sorta caught myself in a bind. I want to live in a smaller city, nothing too huge, yet every city I consider always seems to me culturally stunted in comparison to New York City -- they don't have the amount of museums, movie theaters, rock venues and gay bars I need to feel comfortable now that NYC has totally spoiled me.

i am a big booster of philadelphia -- if you gave it a try, you may be pleasantly surprised. there's also boston, baltimore, and DC. none of these are NYC, but each has much going for it AND are relatively close to NYC to get there if you MUST go back to NYC for yer hijinks AND each has an ILXor presence.

I *love* LA (amazing weather, food, general weirdness, love our house, plenty to do and see, more affordable than other big cities) but every time we get away we realize how much it stresses us out and makes us flake on everyone, and none of the other places we've lived in seem to have this effect. We just had our second hit and run in a year and the traffic and certain tendencies that do seem specific to many Angelenos get very tiresome. Plus in a way living here has been so tied to the experience of grad school and being in a particular bubble that I would like to break out of said bubble rather than remain for the rest of my life dealing with an extension of that. Or maybe I just like moving to a new city every 4 years? Often think about moving at these times but who knows how specific to place this is. Maybe it's a time-of-life thing?

You should move back up here. We miss you guys!

We might actually. Find us jobs

Haha I don't think you'd want any job that I could help you get.