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When I were a lad, back in the late 70s early 80s, "cunt" was the final frontier of taboo words. A lot of women were also strongly opposed to its use as a form of abuse, since they considered it demeaning to women. Accordingly, it was the only swear word I never used (me being middle class might also have had something to do with it). Now times have changed, "cunt" doesn't seem to be frowned upon much at all, although through force of habit I still don't really use it. So what happened? Why did the "demeaning to women" argument lose its force? And with the fall of "cunt" are there any words left that are really taboo? If not, have we lost something?

choirboy, Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd say it's still probably the strongest word you can use.

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

i mean, it's more common now, but think how much more often are words like Fuck and Twat and Cock being used nowadays.

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I've always used fuck though. I don't think it's any more common than it was 20 years ago. Cunt most definitely is. There might also be a national divide, I think cunt is much more acceptable in the UK than in the US.

choirboy, Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

When I were a lad, some kid down the road told me in extreme secrecy that the two rudest words you could ever utter were "lichen" and "liken".

For years I sat red-faced while Attenborough went through his motions on telly, l-ing and l-ing his way through the forests.

It was only when I was much older that that I discovered the sad truth, and in fact, have only now just worked out that "lichen" and "liken" are in fact different pronunciations of the same motherfucking word. Cunts.

(Incidentally, the guy who told me this then proceeding to piss down his trousers whilst singing "The Lemon Song" by Led Zeppelin. He was barred from my house and I never saw him again. Fuckin' lichen.)

Huey (Huey), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Swear words need strong consonants to end, so you can spit them with spite. I think the clipped nature of the vowel sound in 'cunt', plus the very hard consonant to finish, have helped maintain it's notoriety.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

cunt in the UK is an entirely different cunt than cunt in the US of A..

(cunt)

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Its the only word I wouldn't say to my mum.

Actually, I probably wouldn't say 'riddim' to my mum either because she'd look at me like I was insane, but you know what I mean.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

bumbaclaat generally goes down very well over sunday dinner, too

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I wouldn't say 'fuck' to my mum. I try not to say 'shit' to her either. Words like riddim, aye, and also things like 'Althusserian meta-narrative' lest she curse my university education again.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh man I've not heard anyone say bumbaclaat since I lived with Chico! God bless Chico, he was so cool. Too cool for university. He used to smoke so much dope it would make him cry, and he wandered why they kicked him out.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:35 (twenty-two years ago)

there's not much of a T sound in "cunt" if you say it here.

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

what is this word "lichen"? i have never heard of it.....

saza bob, Thursday, 27 May 2004 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)

LICHEN:

http://www.transistor.org/personal/fort_rock/lichen.jpg

Huey (Huey), Thursday, 27 May 2004 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

A fungus, usually of the class Ascomycetes, that grows symbiotically with algae, resulting in a composite organism that characteristically forms a crustlike or branching growth on rocks or tree trunks.

Boy, is my face red.

Huey (Huey), Thursday, 27 May 2004 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

okay what is bumbaclaat? people say it aaaaall the time in my hall and it annoys me because i do not know what they are talking about.

cunt's the only word that nobody i know (well, except for one person, but not around most people) would use casually in a sentence because it's so likely someone will be offended. its shock value is pristine.

Maria (Maria), Thursday, 27 May 2004 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

who but the 'bum' in the 'bumbaclalalat'?

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

-but +put

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

huey's story is GREAT.

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 27 May 2004 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

butt putt?

Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 27 May 2004 16:49 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't fully trust my source on this but:

bumbaclaart = bum cloth = asswipe
bloodclaart = blood cloth = sanitary towel (but essentially meaning same as "motherfucker")

don (don), Thursday, 27 May 2004 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

*waits to be proved wrong, in humiliating manner*

don (don), Thursday, 27 May 2004 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

In the West of Scotland cunt is very commonly used, sometimes as a term of endearment "Awright ya cunt how's it goin'?" or "D'ye want a drink ya cunt?"
It's pretty much exchangeable with 'man' or 'person' in any story a drunk working class Scotsman is telling you.
"This wee cunt came into the pub and was arguing with this other cunt then the big cunt behind the bar split the two cunts up and threw the wee cunt out" is a fairly typical example.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 27 May 2004 17:23 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.sealpress.com/cvr_images/cunt.jpg

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Thursday, 27 May 2004 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Butthole Surfers to thread!

I still think 'cunt' sounds better when a British person says it.

Christine 'Green Leafy Dragon' Indigo (cindigo), Thursday, 27 May 2004 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)

There's an American teen movie where one of the lead characters screams "CUNT!" at another char and I thought she delivered the line exzceptionally well.

Crickets Dance On Tequila Booty (Barima), Thursday, 27 May 2004 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Mena Suvari does that in American Beauty, not sure if that's what you're referring to though. And yeah, she carries it off with aplomb.

Crackity (Crackity Jones), Thursday, 27 May 2004 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

It's so weird though, she does it so spitefully, and it's so shocking in that scene, that it almost doesn't register that she's said it.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 27 May 2004 21:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Wait, which scene is that? I can't remember.

Broheems (diamond), Thursday, 27 May 2004 21:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Lisa is a nut,
She has a rubber butt,
And every time she turns around
It goes, "Putt putt"

Leee's a Simpson (Leee), Thursday, 27 May 2004 21:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Larry David to thread

christhamrin (christhamrin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 21:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Dick= mean
Asshole= mean
Pussy/fanny= weak
cunt= mean or stupid

I think the association of meanness or stupidity with female genitalia is the taboo cause of this being such a 'bad' word.

It is, I believe, related to 'con' in French which is also a vulgar term for the vagina. 'Con' as an expletive means more stupid than mean in French, closer to the British than the American usage. As a popular epithet, it has taken on both genders. The original 'con' for males and 'conne' for females. Strange how 'con' and 'vagin' in French are masculine and how there are several slang words for penis in French that are feminine.

Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 27 May 2004 21:28 (twenty-two years ago)

And then they can come to New York and see "Con Edison" written where everyone--little kids, old ladies, dogs, cats--can see it.

Language differences are fun, aren't they?

Christine 'Green Leafy Dragon' Indigo (cindigo), Thursday, 27 May 2004 21:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm bringing quinny into the slang vogue.

Leee's a Simpson (Leee), Thursday, 27 May 2004 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I think maybe 'cunt' in some British usage can be used with connotations of stupidity, between friends, anyway. But generally, it's just used for a really nasty person, like a stronger form of 'prick', yeah.

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 27 May 2004 21:44 (twenty-two years ago)

There was/is a French play called 'Con' or 'Le Con' or something, which when it transfered to London became titled 'See You Next Tuesday', rather cleverly I thought.

sos (yaye), Friday, 28 May 2004 00:04 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.paul-klee-gymnasium.de/projekte/ethik13/kant/pics/kant.jpg

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 28 May 2004 00:11 (twenty-two years ago)

re bumbaclaart (never thought I would type that). Clarty, in scots means dirts, and so can clart. Maybe it has something to do with this?

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Friday, 28 May 2004 00:51 (twenty-two years ago)

that should say 'dirty', not the odd plural 'dirts'.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Friday, 28 May 2004 00:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I say cunt all the time, it's a fun sounding word. So blunt and jarring. As I woman I never got the whole degrading/demeaning to women thing. It's just a word and it sounds great.

ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Friday, 28 May 2004 00:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah. Women call me a 'dick' and I don't take offence.

Pack Yr Romantic Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 28 May 2004 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, For some reason i was under the impression that "Stop" was a bad word when I was very little.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 28 May 2004 01:03 (twenty-two years ago)

that must have made driving an interesting experience

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 28 May 2004 03:25 (twenty-two years ago)

qweynt.

Ian Johnson (orion), Friday, 28 May 2004 03:31 (twenty-two years ago)

'A Bout de Souffle': first line: 'alors je suis une con'. Interesting, he means 'cunt', but the pun 'con'='convict' (certainly this guy is a crook) works in English. Dunno if it was intentional.

Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 28 May 2004 07:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyone had that experience, where you're in a restaurant and the old woman behind you screams

YOU CUNT!!

and you drop your scones and strawberry jam, and everyone in the room stares at each other for a bit, before she finishes her sentence with

...DO THAT!!

in an intriguing accent that makes can't sound like cunt? Anyone? No? Just me then.

Pack Yr Romantic Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 28 May 2004 07:27 (twenty-two years ago)

There's an American teen movie where one of the lead characters screams "CUNT!" at another char and I thought she delivered the line exzceptionally well

Was that Election? I agree. That was probably the best use of the word "cunt" I've ever heard.

Apart from, of course, Lydon's recent I'm A Celebrity "shock" outburst. But that was fairly lame, wasn't it? I mean, Ant and Dec really are cunts, so no-one was that shocked.

Huey (Huey), Friday, 28 May 2004 08:08 (twenty-two years ago)

There's a fan of AFC Wimbledon who uses 'Cunt' like one would say 'mate', which is very disconcerting.

Dave B (daveb), Friday, 28 May 2004 08:22 (twenty-two years ago)

What Michael White said above about cunt = mean, stupid is interesting. Mean = opposite of generous = denial? Denial of access to the vagina? A vagina a man cannot have sex with becomes a cunt?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 28 May 2004 08:22 (twenty-two years ago)

"a fan"

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 28 May 2004 08:23 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
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--, Saturday, 26 November 2005 00:52 (twenty years ago)

try harder

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 26 November 2005 00:54 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

How is this word viewed in Canada?

Abbott, Saturday, 2 August 2008 00:19 (seventeen years ago)

it's in the national anthem!

latebloomer, Saturday, 2 August 2008 00:39 (seventeen years ago)

so i've heard.

latebloomer, Saturday, 2 August 2008 00:40 (seventeen years ago)

cunto

jed_, Saturday, 2 August 2008 00:43 (seventeen years ago)

oh cuntada

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Saturday, 2 August 2008 01:15 (seventeen years ago)

I would argue that some of the strength of the word comes merely from the hard "c" and "t" sounds of it. But I guess that's a topic for a linguist.

Being an anglophile and hearing it used by the Brits so much, I've never found it particularly offensive. I mean, in principle, it's the same as calling someone a "dick". What's the big deal?

I guess perhaps it depends on the person as to how they interpret the strength of the word, or who they've heard use it and in what situations. That will form their idea of the word, and these experiences may differ.

Bimble, Saturday, 2 August 2008 02:14 (seventeen years ago)

hacunta makunta
what a wonderful phrase

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 2 August 2008 02:15 (seventeen years ago)

But I guess that's a topic for a linguist.
yeah, a cunnting linguist!

haitch, Saturday, 2 August 2008 02:27 (seventeen years ago)

the chicago tribune's sad tale.

http://nicolestockdale.com/graphics/tribunebadword.jpg

tipsy mothra, Saturday, 2 August 2008 02:34 (seventeen years ago)

i just love the image of "a team of high-ranking editors" tearing through piles of newspapers, pulling that section.

tipsy mothra, Saturday, 2 August 2008 02:35 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpDiZLrTHX4

haitch, Saturday, 2 August 2008 02:39 (seventeen years ago)

Tipsy, can we read this article anywhere? I'm drunk and I'm coming up with nothing, please help. I can't even tell who it was written by.

Bimble, Saturday, 2 August 2008 03:01 (seventeen years ago)

it was written by lisa bertagnoli, but i've never seen the text anywhere. i think the trib did a pretty thorough job of scrubbing it. by all accounts the headline was the most provocative thing about it.

tipsy mothra, Saturday, 2 August 2008 04:03 (seventeen years ago)

so it wasn't worth reading, it was all a bunch of hoopla, huh?

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 2 August 2008 05:37 (seventeen years ago)

three years pass...

i'm well used to this word, essentially it's about as strong as 'fucker' and can be used with any number of shades from affectionate through to being the strongest term of abuse, but i wouldn't tend to bat an eyelid at it.

But the girdle behoind me at wor' is throwing it around, at high speaking volume, as if it were cuntfetti. Cunt this, that cunt, this cuntin thing, you cunt. It's a bit jarring tbh.

diafiyhm (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:22 (fourteen years ago)

My favourite use in a film is by that bold cunt Begbie in Trainspotting.

"That lassie got glassed, and no cunt leaves here till we find out what cunt did it."

we are not bemused (onimo), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:30 (fourteen years ago)

i stood by awestruck as an old neighbouring farmer leaned on a gate and agreed thusly with a nun about the weather being poor- "cuntish, sister" he railed, gently, "purely cuntish".

diafiyhm (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:31 (fourteen years ago)

still the only obscenity that i find truly repellent

Choc. Clusterman (contenderizer), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 17:41 (fourteen years ago)

cmon over celtic way, we'll learn ya it's just a word

diafiyhm (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:27 (fourteen years ago)

yeah I'm more in the celtic camp...tis the most colorful of swears

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:40 (fourteen years ago)

Plus it has such pedigree

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:43 (fourteen years ago)

nine months pass...

"Monty you terrible CUNT!"

To avoid derail on the Onion thread I thought I'd revive this one, given the hoopla over their tweet of the word re the Oscars.

A nice piece here from brilliant Aus TV journalist Tracey Spicer:

http://thehoopla.com.au/cunt-there-it/

a kissed out red popemobile (Trayce), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 08:08 (thirteen years ago)

It's used in "Bridesmaids" and "This is 40", basically the same joke: Woman calls kid one.

Actually, is it the same woman?

Mark G, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 09:45 (thirteen years ago)

use it to refer to friends (allo u ole cunt), enemies (he's a fucking cunt - tho more rarely - it seems too dignified), myself (Christ I'm such a cunt/useless cunt etc) and in return am referred to by it (all right, cunty? and one friend tends towards the particularly voluble salutation often at some distance of CUNT!

situations and objects can also be cunty or a right cunt.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 09:45 (thirteen years ago)

oh of course there is also something being a "cunt's trick", and in fact I am standing on the euston road writing this on my phone like "a right cunt".

Fizzles, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 09:47 (thirteen years ago)

Oh, and it was on Dave last night (the RGervaise thing, not the TV channel). Entirely in context.

Mark G, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 09:47 (thirteen years ago)

Cunty is only to be used as a descriptor relating to that of the actual reproductives iirc, tough or unwelcome situations are best described as cuntish *tips cap to fizzles*

bbag bbag my nebby shot me down (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 10:46 (thirteen years ago)

No mention of cunted on this thread?

.... the rest look like Dudley Sutton (Tom D.), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 11:05 (thirteen years ago)

not used cuntish before - I like it. feels appropriate to considered evaluation of a situation. "rather cuntish".

Tom D - god yes. absolutely cunted last night, and for kicking something, usually a ball, v hard.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 11:16 (thirteen years ago)

Actually, is it the same woman?

! that you can't tell the difference in comedic talent btwn Mann and Wiig

Oh, and it was on Dave last night (the RGervaise thing, not the TV channel).

?

( ͡° ͜ʖ͡°) (sic), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 11:31 (thirteen years ago)

I assume he means "Derek"?

.... the rest look like Dudley Sutton (Tom D.), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 11:32 (thirteen years ago)

still my favourite use of the word;

In a 1958 interview in The Paris Review, Terry Southern asked Green about his inspiration for Loving. Green replied, "I got the idea of Loving from a manservant in the Fire Service during the war. He was serving with me in the ranks, and he told me he had once asked the elderly butler who was over him what the old boy most liked in the world. The reply was: 'Lying in bed on a summer morning, with the window open, listening to the church bells, eating buttered toast with cunty fingers.' I saw the book in a flash."

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 11:33 (thirteen years ago)

My fave: I saw Lush live in 1993 and as shoegaze bands are wont to do they didnt speak or really look at the audience the whole gig.

Just before the final song in the encore though some twat shouted "Miki! Sharsss yer tits!"

She paused. Looked up with a VENOMOUS expression on her face. Snapped "get fucked, you cunt". Then they kicked into "Babytalk" and tore the house down.

a kissed out red popemobile (Trayce), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 11:47 (thirteen years ago)

What does this mean, to "sharsss"?

how's life, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 12:48 (thirteen years ago)

j/k

up-the-sharsss corner (how's life), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 12:48 (thirteen years ago)

good enuf for chaucer, good enuf for me

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 13:04 (thirteen years ago)

ward fowler otm; my english professor told me that one

c'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas le beurre (imago), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 13:06 (thirteen years ago)

there's a great rap track on a mix rev posted that has a refrain of

yes, i like cunty / but this bitch dramatic with a capital D

i think from the context of the mix it comes from a gay or drag scene in which cunty denotes a superior attitude not a million miles away from swag?

don't call it a cloud rap i've been high for years (zvookster), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 13:14 (thirteen years ago)

has anyone read this? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1580050158

apparently muscio argues that it comes from an honorific term for the female ruler of a country and became vulgar through a sexist conspiracy

Mordy, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 13:25 (thirteen years ago)

In ancient writings, the word for "cunt" was synonymous with "woman," though not in the insulting modern sense. An Egyptologist was shocked to find the maxims of Ptah-Hotep "used for 'woman' a term that was more than blunt," though its indelicacy was not in the eye of the ancient beholder, only in that of the modern scholar. (Walker, 1983, 197)

Mordy, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 13:28 (thirteen years ago)

nine months pass...

intersting mordy thks

#YOLTMB (darraghmac), Friday, 13 December 2013 01:49 (twelve years ago)

Oh, I read that when it came out. I feel like it was huge at the time.

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Friday, 13 December 2013 02:46 (twelve years ago)

one year passes...

i'm well used to this word, essentially it's about as strong as 'fucker' and can be used with any number of shades from affectionate through to being the strongest term of abuse, but i wouldn't tend to bat an eyelid at it.

But the girdle behoind me at wor' is throwing it around, at high speaking volume, as if it were cuntfetti. Cunt this, that cunt, this cuntin thing, you cunt. It's a bit jarring tbh.

― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:22 (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

referenced individual just recognised a contemporary of ours and yelled the obv word at him across a packed Dublin bus, he thought I'd like to know

deejerk reactions (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 13:30 (ten years ago)

lol

mattresslessness, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 14:13 (ten years ago)


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