A fairly interesting explanation of "rockism"

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Sorry, I know, "here we go again." But I was surprised to discover that this term has some currency--and utility--outside the ILX context. Here is a post from a film mailing list, which was meant to clarify the notion of rockism after a few posters had taken some gleeful swipes at "American Idol" and "pop." The URL of the post is http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/10326. Sorry about the formatting problems.

In a message dated 5/27/04 11:47:22 AM, j_christley@y... writes:

> I agree with your "state of the world" thing, but what is rockist cant?
>
> At least we can all agree that Tom Waits' golden throat blows all that R&B
> yodelling clean off the map.
>
No, we can't ALL agree on that! I cannot believe you actually said that!!! As
if it were common knowledge, tacit even!!! Grrrrrrrrrr!!! But I will explain
why at least I can't agree by explaining what rockist cant means.

Just as one can spout off racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. cant, one can also
spout off rockist cant and there are correlations between the two
afflictions. It comes from the term rockism and has its origins in that moment
when
rock-n-roll matured into rock, its modernist manifestation, and began to foster
a
variety of myths that helped define 1960s countercultures. One characteristic
of the discourse is the desire to maintain a distance from the commodification
it associates with mass culture and all the attendant fears that association
carried, particularly an engulfing femininity. Another characteristic would be
a transasethetic quality that it shares with the great monuments to modernity
in architecture (Frank Lloyd Wright, Le Corbusier, Mies Van der Rohe). In
short, rockism is the upholding of rock’s modernist virtues as they became
institutionalized and, as with most institutions, averse to change.

What happens, then, is that a high/low stratification gets replicated within
mass culture. And the tension gets played out as a series of rock vs. pop
dichotomies, with various disenfranchised social groups associated with the pop
side of the equation: albums vs. singles; author vs. consumer; interpretive vs.
utilitarian, etc.

Now, like any critical framework, you can Swiss cheese this up and find
countless artists that straddle both categories, thus making the framework
supposedly untenable. I'll preempt by nominating the Pet Shop Boys and, perhaps
my
all-time fave band, New Order. But I still think the rock/pop dichotomy is a
useful precept because it reminds us that one can never assume certain values in

music (interpretation, Tom Waits) to be universal.

So, for instance, if you believe all music must be available for the mind to
interpret, then you're not going to understand tons of music that is available
for the body to dance to (heaven forbid!): disco, house, some techno, R&B.
If, perhaps in an auteurist spirit, you privilege the author for providing you
with such mind work (or the music itself begs interpretation), then you'll be
deaf to music that privileges the consumer, music that resists interpretation
or renders it moot. Most of the lyrics in disco, R&B, etc. are blank so that
the consumer can project upon them, dance to them, fuck to them, whatnot. And
sometimes, as in tons of dance music, there's not even an author in any
traditional sense to privilege.

Again, there are fine to distinctions to made, especially to buck some sort
of mind/body dualism. Creedence Clearwater Revival mean to mean, privileging
John Fogerty if not Stu Cook. But if you can't dance to much of their music, you

oughta get your butt cheeks checked (I recall a DJ throwing the meaning-laden
"Fortunate Son" into the mix to excellent effect one euphoric evening of
clubbing in the mid-90s). Similarly, Black Box and Next are designed for the
dancefloor and the bedroom but you can't help guffaw at the cheek of the samples
in
"Ride on Time" or the single entendres in "Too Close" or "Butta Love." And
dancefloor mainstays Pet Shop Boys are so heady that they make you wonder
whether any political platform should be based on rational, face-to-face
communication.

One of the many things that makes American Idol so thrilling to look forward
to each week is that my man Simon articulates this pop side equation without
even explicitly trying to. Rock voices get continually shafted not only for
their indifference to pitch but also for their difficulty in being recuperated
by
the song doctors and image consultants of the pop machine. Take the World
Idol extravaganza, for instance. The Norway entry sang "Come As You Are" (I
believe) by Nirvana. He did a good job but Simon asked him if he realized the
incompatibility of singing a Nirvana song (standing for noncomformity and a
disdain
for the commercial) on a show where you're vying for a chance to be a puppet.
Or a kinder way of putting it - on a show where you don't get to be an author
who means to mean.

This pop machine burps up more masterpieces than you can possibly imagine.
But it's also responsible for hours and hours of dreck and for that reason, I
fear for Fantasia. She's really the only candidate in the history of American
Idol to have any art in her voice. Thus I don't think she'd be well served by
the Idol machine. She needs to go down to Muscle Shoals for some greasy ass
funk, some classic blues. I'm thinking Ann Peebles, Millie Jackson, Esther
Phillips. Instead, she'll be fed Diane Warren and Desmond Child hand-me-downs
(although some nuggets from Linda Perry and Gregg Alexander might work).

And she'll still be great. She'll sing her ass off on those, right, vapid
slabs of bombast just like Mary J. Blige sang her ass off on a typical piece of
Warren product back in 1999. But I pray she gets some unvapid ones or gets to
write her own.

But it won't matter that much with her. Because I'm also thinking of Aretha
Franklin. Yes, Bill, she's that good. And here's where we get into that
"screaming" (yodelling?!???) stuff. Fantasia proved her enormous flexibility
with a
subtle, gut-wrenchingly gorgeous reading of "Summertime" (yes, don't worry -
tradition lives!!). But reaching for the rafters isn't always dreaded excess or
a will to power. Robert Christgau said it best in relation to Aretha: "Guided
indiscretion, that's the key--her great gift is her voice, but her genius is
her bad taste." The same can already be said for Fantasia. Her "screaming" will
be its own reward and she'll transform that vapidity into something you just
gotta hear again and again.

All this is why I am so enraged with the blanket condemnations of pop in the
Idol screeds here. They're so unexamined. Jamie, what kind of R&B are you
talking about exactly? I assume you're not referring to the 1950s R&B of Hank
Ballard, Wynonie Harris, Roy Brown, etc. But you're not going to understand
Babyface or Lisa Stansfield or Aaliyah or Kelly Price or Brandy or Boyz II Men
or
Next or Mary J. Blige or Erykah Badu or, ok, R. Kelly with a Tom Waits
framework. He means to mean; most of the above don't. And if you don't think
Waits'
croak get wearying across a full-length, then you owe it to yourself to at least

seek out the Sugar & Poison compilation released in 1996 by Virgin in England.
Critic/compiler David Toop goes against the idea of post-60s R&B as little
more than smooth groove, quiet storm fuck songs and instead plumbs 70s Isley
Brothers, Tashan, Loleatta Holloway, Loose Ends, Zapp, Luther Vandross, etc. for

premillennial tension and unspecific dread. A landmark recon job!

For the record, I like Waits a great deal but he's sitting on one mighty
inconsistent oeuvre (that Alice thang from a year or so ago was a disaster). And

I'll take Neil Young over any of the R&B named above, inconsistencies and all.
Yes, of course, neither would make it on Idol. But to assume that
automatically makes for great art while winning Idol wouldn't is to succumb to
the
vagaries of rockism.

Damien's post is more problematic because the era of (hell even???) Sinatra,
Dearie, Clooney, Dennis, Baker, etc. is typically referred to as pre-rock pop.
Nevertheless, interpretation and the author (as singer) are clearly central
to the judgment. And while it wouldn't be 100% correct to call this rockist, it
certainly shares with rockism an aversion to change. If you think great
interpretations of the great pre-rock songwriters are dead, you clearly didn't
hear
Fantasia own "Summertime." And if you think the songwriters themselves are
dead, check out Stephin Merrit/The Magnetic Fields.

But the really infuriating thing about your post is that there actually WAS a
crooner obsessed with this pop past on American Idol this season. No matter
what anyone thought of John Stevens, no one could possibly claim that his voice
was "all about bombast." Emotionally meaningless, maybe. I found it a bit
one-note myself although he could do wonders with the songbook of Paul Heaton
(look him up). But that's besides the the point. You obviously didn't watch Idol

enough to know what it was "all about" and thus shouldn't have made such a
sweeping condemnation of it.

J-P, your post didn't bug me as much. But there's tons of 80s/90s stuff out
there for a Tina Turner fan. Check out Blige and Badu above. They're
jaw-dropping! In general, though, how much do people on this list actually know
about
artists who rose in the 1980s and 1990s to rip on them so ignorantly? All this
reminds me of an anecdote from an early Pauline Kael book (it may be Kiss
Kiss). It's been eons since I read it so my memory may be clouded. But it was
about her encounter with a sort of jaded aesthete who could barely get out of
bed
or couldn't wait to get to bed or something like that. Kael was enraged at his
chic laziness while she tried to make her days longer in order to incorporate
all the things she wanted to see/write about. Mind you, I'm no big fan of
Kael but I admire this sentiment. I spend so much time trying to keep up with
the
new (o9, Kanye West) and the old (my man James Reese Europe beat Berlin out
of the gate, though not Cohan) (and that's just music) that it really turns my
stomach to hear these "things were better" cries.

Please please please, people! No more! They take too long to respond to.


amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 29 May 2004 04:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, it's certainly a lengthy explanation.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 29 May 2004 04:40 (twenty-two years ago)

It's not very lengthy, except by your exceptionally pithy standards.

P.S. I didn't write the post for those wondering, nor do I know the person who did.

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 29 May 2004 04:41 (twenty-two years ago)

It actually reminded me of the sort of thing that ILX (as in, not the board but its patrons) used to do better once upon a time.

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 29 May 2004 04:42 (twenty-two years ago)


It's not very lengthy, except by your exceptionally pithy standards.

it's all about put-downs with you, isn't it.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 29 May 2004 04:54 (twenty-two years ago)

OK Alex, I'm not in the mood to exchange snipes, so I'll just give you my honest thoughts, however turgid:

The post above is about six paragraphs long. By the standards of a newspaper article, a school essay, a journal article, or just about anything save an ILX post, this is not long. I think it's an interesting and clear attempt to explain "rockism." It might take four minutes to read.

I was disappointed that you found the post notable only for its length. I'm not sure what you would prefer: that I have posted it in one-paragraph excerpts over the course of an evening? That I remove all the adjectives? That I translate it into shorthand?

I thought your response dismissive, and I responded out of a resulting feeling of frustration. I tried to be a little ambiguous--"pithy" can be a compliment--but I guess I failed. Which is probably for the best, because I can't pretend not to be annoyed by your post, or rather the way the post seemed to exemplify a certain side of your online persona.


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In any event, the word "rockist" has seemingly become just a point of contention, or a part of the arsenal of some of ILM's more contentious posters.... To the point where I forgot sometimes that the word may actually have (as noted above) a genuine usefulness. I'm reminded that some of the notions developed on/by ILX are actually quite interesting and pointed, even if they have become rote on this board.

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 29 May 2004 05:04 (twenty-two years ago)

OK so it's more like 11 paragraphs long. But that's still not "long" by my standards.

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 29 May 2004 05:07 (twenty-two years ago)

1,639 words about rockism seems needlessly lenghty. But, that's just my opinion. Don't let it ruin your day.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 29 May 2004 05:12 (twenty-two years ago)

exemplify a certain side of your online persona.

Jesus, it was a simple observation. keep your damn pants on.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 29 May 2004 05:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Do you have any comments about those 1,639 words? Any particular reason why it should seem lengthy?

It's a thorny, interesting concept. A lot more than 1,639 could be written about it. Several hundred thousand words have likely been written about it on ILX alone. Many of those words are worth reading.

You haven't ruined anything, Alex. No need to qualify--I know it's your opinion. I happen to think it's poorly considered.

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 29 May 2004 05:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought it was interesting because I never knew what rockist meant. It seems to be 'purist' but applying to music.

isadora (isadora), Saturday, 29 May 2004 05:18 (twenty-two years ago)

It's obvious he's trying to make his arguments accessible for a suspicious audience, but that kind of undermines him a bit - the shout-out to Neil Young allows people to think "ah, but in his heart he knows that rock is better."

Also I disagree partly with his comments on Fantasia, insofar as I think a "worthy" album from her could be just as disappointing (relative to her potential) as a standard Idol album. Her cover of "My Whole Life", though flawed, was kinda noble: I'd love an album of pop songs invested with that level of wounded emoition - more bittersweet than Tweet!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 29 May 2004 05:20 (twenty-two years ago)

tims is possibly right, in that the neil young thing, means his argument can be presented as "he knows this, theoretically, but does he feel it, but, i dont think that should undermine what he says, its a well argued piece. actually, even if he did (and im not saying he does) mean it as a purely theoretical standpoint, does that even undermine it really?

charltonlido (gareth), Saturday, 29 May 2004 08:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Good timing.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Saturday, 29 May 2004 08:52 (twenty-two years ago)


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