is there a hipster's guide to new york available?

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any good guide with interesting stuff to do, it doesn't have to be deck-cellent.

chicken tonight (chicken tonight), Thursday, 10 June 2004 13:25 (twenty-two years ago)

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hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 10 June 2004 13:28 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.hipsterhandbook.com/

HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 10 June 2004 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

just stand somewhere and look cool, man

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 10 June 2004 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

each week:

Flavorpill NYC
http://www.flavorpill.net/index.shtml
flavorpill NYC is a free, weekly email covering arts, music, and cultural events in New York City.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 10 June 2004 13:32 (twenty-two years ago)

this week: http://nyc.flavorpill.net/mailer/issue209/index.html

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 10 June 2004 13:33 (twenty-two years ago)

ps - New York City is for sellouts

HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 10 June 2004 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

xpost - are you calling Yanc3y a hipster?

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 10 June 2004 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

seriously all you have to do is walk up to the checkout counter at any half-decent record or bookstore in the city and they'll have all kinds of insipid New York City tour guides for cool kids right there, pocketbook sized and priced to own. Next!!!!!

TOMBOT, Thursday, 10 June 2004 13:37 (twenty-two years ago)

you only ever see tourists with those damn Not For Tourists books.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 10 June 2004 13:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Exactly!

TOMBOT, Thursday, 10 June 2004 13:40 (twenty-two years ago)

well it's a present for a friend who is going to new york soon, so web-site addresses, although thrifty, can't be used. She would be a tourist, so a not for tourist book would be great.

chicken tonight (chicken tonight), Thursday, 10 June 2004 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, please, hide your not for tourist books, your maps, your guides. at least try to act like you know.

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 10 June 2004 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)

That's terrible advice. Don't be afraid to pull out your maps or books when you're lost or in need of help. God knows a lot of new yorkers would help if you asked, but if she's afraid of asking, she should not be bashful about using the book.

cramedog, Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

that was my hipster guide advice!

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:44 (twenty-two years ago)

no self-respecting "hipster" should knowingly act like a tourist

hipster code #90-390a

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I love giving directions to lost people.... Especially when they're looking for the hiden uptown 6 station at Bleeker. But then, I'm not a true New Yorker.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)

i do, too. i get all puffed up with good citizenship.

lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Sometimes when people are looking at a map I want to give unsolicited help.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I love it when people, esp. in my neighborhood, ask for really weird directions. Like this yuppiefied dude asked me for directions to Kent, which at my end has nothing but like a BP station on one side and a fence and keep out sign (Navy Yard yo) on the other.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 10 June 2004 15:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Sometimes when people are looking at a map I want to give unsolicited help.

again, so do i. i'm such a civic busybody.

lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 10 June 2004 15:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it's our Midwesterness shining through.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 10 June 2004 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

first time I came to New York, we got stuck in Midtown towards the end of the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade. Asked a cop for directions to the Algonquin Hotel (where some cousins were staying), he says "I dunno, I'm FROM BROOKLYN."

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 10 June 2004 15:15 (twenty-two years ago)

most New Yorkers are unusually kind to tourists...it's other New Yorkers they're not so. Too busy mugging them or something.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 10 June 2004 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

It's coming soon. I have it on good authority.

Ally C (Ally C), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

BURRITOVILLE

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

YEAH BURRITOVILLE!

deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

it's all based on how it's asked. i think tourists assume people will be rude and adopt a bit of a confrontational tone, which elicits that sort of answer. the weirdest question i've ever been asked: "vere are zee jews?" from a german tourist on ludlow and grand. he asked me five times. i had no idea what to say.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)

israel would have been a fair answer.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.harlemlive.org/arts-culture/cartoons/tourists/tourists.jpg

HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

one time my friend Lukas and I were sitting on an East Village stoop with my friend Amanda from Louisville, drinking some sodas or something. This old lady walks by, looks at us, and asks loudly "ARE YOU COPS???!!??" We answer in the negative, she turns to walk away, then turns back sharply (or as sharply as an old lady can) and asks loudly "ARE YOU HOMOSEXUALS?!!!??!??"

I blame Lukas's moustache for that one.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I had an old lady ask if "[I WAS] PUERTO RICAN" in Fanuaualalalalall Hall (yeaaa .. the place in Boston). She then talked about how much she hated Puerto Ricans

HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 10 June 2004 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Sunday is Puerto Rican Parade day.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 10 June 2004 18:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Which means Sunday is a grand day to stay out of the Upper East Side.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 12 June 2004 09:52 (twenty-two years ago)

unless you have breasts.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 14 June 2004 04:19 (twenty-two years ago)

has anyone ever asked you and ian if you were homosexuals, jon?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 14 June 2004 04:24 (twenty-two years ago)

ARE YOU COPS?

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 14 June 2004 04:26 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm not a native NYCer, and i don't really LIKE giving directions. but that's b/c i'm NOT a native NYCer so ofttimes i don't KNOW where shit IS for which people are asking directions OR i don't know the directions. i didn't even know till a month ago that the stock exchange was a block or two from where i presently work.

when i do know where something is, though, i will give the best directions that i can.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 14 June 2004 04:36 (twenty-two years ago)

the one thing that i REALLY don't like is being asked for subway directions. again, this is b/c 90% of the time, i honestly DON'T know where a given subway line goes (other than from where i am to where i intend on going). besides, there ARE maps in the station and they aren't THAT hard to figure out (if yer looking for directions in manhattan, anyway).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 14 June 2004 04:38 (twenty-two years ago)

nobody asks me for directions. nobody ever asks the chink for directions. its the best thing about being an asian-american.

phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 14 June 2004 04:38 (twenty-two years ago)

i didn't even know till a month ago that the stock exchange was a block or two from where i presently work.

now that's just plain dumb, dude! C'mon, why do you think it's called "Wall Street?"!"!"!""!"#@:@^@$%@#$%?!#!?@#$?!@#$?!@#$?!@#$!@#????!??^&?&?&^?$?#??!?!?~

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 14 June 2004 04:40 (twenty-two years ago)

nobody asks me for directions. nobody ever asks the chink for directions. its the best thing about being an asian-american.

so they don't ask you for car rides either?

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 14 June 2004 10:28 (twenty-two years ago)

A couple of weeks ago after being out dancing all night, I got off the Lorimer stop at about 5am. These 2 early 20 years olds looked at me right before the turnstile and said "Excuse me... Do you speak english"?

I said "YES" in this completely incredulous way. The boy apologized and then asked if they could walk to Greenpoint from there. I should have given them really bad directions.

Carey (Carey), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Carey, what do you look like?

Jon in R'lyeh (ex machina), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:13 (twenty-two years ago)

carey you could definitely come across as ethnic at 5AM

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I look like any other young person living in W'burg. It wasn't like I was carrying a kettle of borcht with a strand of kielbasa around my neck. I was even wearing thigh highs with fishnets!

Carey (Carey), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:18 (twenty-two years ago)

The boy apologized and then asked if they could walk to Greenpoint from there. I should have given them really bad directions.

"see that street up there, Metropolitan? Take a right and follow it all the way..."

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:44 (twenty-two years ago)

carey, were you wearing your coolie hat again? that always causes trouble.

lauren (laurenp), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

eleven months pass...
ARE YOU COPS?

Cool Hand Luuke (ex machina), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I am a civic busybody in places where I am a tourist

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought Phil-Two was writing this guide.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Kramer on Seinfeld was a "hipster doofus." Do you really want to be one?

Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

StyleCity New York
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0810991276/

lyra (lyra), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

ha. When I visited my cousin in New York, she said that that book was her mother's, which was perfectly apt because my aunt is like that. When we were small, I have a distinct memory of her tickling our tummies with her long red fingernails in the back seat of my parents' green station wagon.

youn, Friday, 27 May 2005 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

no self-respecting "hipster" should knowingly act like a tourist

At home he feels like a tourist
At home he feels like a tourist
He fills his head with culture
He gives himself an ulcer
He fills his head with culture
He gives himself an ulcer

Down on the disco floor
They make their profit
From the things they sell
To help you cob off
And the rubbers you hide
In your top left pocket

At home she’s looking for interest
At home she’s looking for interest
She said she was ambitious
So she accepts the process
She said she was ambitious
So she accepts the process

Down on the disco floor
They make their profit
From the things they sell
To help you cob off
And the rubbers you hide
In your top left pocket

Two steps forward
(six steps back)
(six steps back)
(six steps back)
(six steps back)
Small step for him
(big jump for me)
(big jump for me)
(big jump for me)
(big jump for me)

At home she feels like a tourist
At home she feels like a tourist
She fills her head with culture
She gives herself an ulcer
Why make yourself so anxious
You give yourself an ulcer

j.lu (j.lu), Friday, 27 May 2005 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought Phil-Two was writing this guide

the publisher wanted me to turn it into a novel, but i decided not to do it.

phil-two (phil-two), Saturday, 28 May 2005 01:08 (twenty-one years ago)

four years pass...

Now there's a New York Times' guide to hipsterdom.

http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1913220,00.html

Hipsters are the friends who sneer when you cop to liking Coldplay. They're the people who wear T-shirts silk-screened with quotes from movies you've never heard of and the only ones in America who still think Pabst Blue Ribbon is a good beer. They sport cowboy hats and berets and think Kanye West stole their sunglasses. Everything about them is exactingly constructed to give off the vibe that they just don't care.

Annoying, yes, but harmless, right? Not to hear their critics tell it. Hipsters manage to attract a loathing unique in its intensity. Critics have described the loosely defined group as smug, full of contradictions and, ultimately, the dead end of Western civilization.

Though the subculture is met with derision in wider society, hipsters have been able to eke out enclaves across the country, chief among them the Brooklyn, N.Y., neighborhood of Williamsburg. But now even that is threatened. The hip have been hit with a double whammy of economic reality (more are struggling to pay rent as parental support dries up) and population changes (the carefully gentrified neighborhood is gradually being infiltrated by squatters inhabiting Williamsburg's stalled building projects). Hipsterdom's largest natural habitat, it seems, is under threat. (See pictures of Steve Jobs on the job.)

Though the irony-sporting, status quo–abhorring, plaid-clad denizens of Williamsburg are a distinctly modern species, the hipster as a genus has its roots in the 1930s and '40s. The name itself was coined after the jazz age, when hip arose to describe aficionados of the growing scene. The word's origins are disputed — some say it was a derivative of "hop," a slang term for opium, while others think it comes from the West African word hipi, meaning to open one's eyes. But gradually it morphed into a noun, and the "hipster" was born.

Hipsters were usually middle-class white youths seeking to emulate the lifestyle of the largely-black jazz musicians they followed. But the subculture grew, and after World War II, a burgeoning literary scene attached itself to the movement: Jack Kerouac and poet Allen Ginsberg were early hipsters, but it would be Norman Mailer who would try and give the movement definition. In an essay titled "The White Negro," Mailer painted hipsters as American existentialists, living a life surrounded by death — annihilated by atomic war or strangled by social conformity — and electing instead to "divorce oneself from society, to exist without roots, to set out on that uncharted journey into the rebellious imperatives of the self." As the first hipster generation aged, it was replaced by the etymologically diminutive hippies, who appropriated their fears about the Cold War but embraced the community over the individual.

The word would fade for years until it was reborn in the early '90s, used again to describe a generation of middle-class youths interested in an alternative art and music scene. But instead of creating a culture of their own, hipsters proved content to borrow from trends long past. Take your grandmother's sweater and Bob Dylan's Wayfarers, add jean shorts, Converse All-Stars and a can of Pabst and bam — hipster.

Such cultural mishmash is ripe for parodying. In 2003, author Robert Lanham wrote The Hipster Handbook, trying to codify the rules to hipsterdom, like "You graduated from a liberal arts school whose football team hasn't won a game since the Reagan administration" and "You have one Republican friend who you always describe as being your 'one Republican friend.' " There's also Hipster Bingo and, of course, Look at This F___ing Hipster (the link obviously contains strong language). Chronicling hipsterdom's extremes, the LATFH photo blog was a viral sensation, netting its founder, Joe Mande, a book deal in the process. (See the 25 best blogs of 2009.)

Some of this ridicule is a bit unfair. As stores like Urban Outfitters have mass-produced hipster chic, hipsterdom has become a part of mainstream culture, overshadowing its originators' still-strong alternative art and music scene. Those people, of course, no longer identify as hipsters, but they're not the problem. The hipsters who will be the dead end of Western Civilization are the ones who add nothing new or original and simply recycle and reduce old trends into a meaningless meme. It's for that reason that when Williamsburg's hipster playland is in crisis, there aren't many who are concerned.

Cunga, Monday, 3 August 2009 14:10 (sixteen years ago)

time magazine btw, not nyt

there is no there there (elmo argonaut), Monday, 3 August 2009 14:17 (sixteen years ago)

Spent the last 4 days in Greenpoint. Who are these hip young things who DRIVE to brunch at Enid's?? Who DRIVES, and how do all the 20-somethings have big silver SUVs?? I guess the fixies only come out when the sun is shining and your skinny girlfriend (who's wearing a belted flannel shirt) isn't coming along.

Like most people my age, I am 33 (Laurel), Monday, 3 August 2009 14:28 (sixteen years ago)


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