Smart Mobs for Parecon

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A scalable social network system using Smart Mobs infrastructure like phones and text messaging can be used for participatory economics:

1) In this system, goods and services are produced according to a plan developed by an iterative procedure of democratic, participatory consumers and producers councils. Smart mobs could optimize the communications and participation at this level.

2) Parecon businesses could use smart mobs by creating a pool of job offers and demands to distribute balanced job complexes in a decentralized way.

I would like to get in touch with people interested in making this an opensource sourceforge project so if you are, or know any one or any anarchist tech collectives that might be interested etc please contact me or join the "Participatory Economics" group at tribe.net

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Monday, 14 June 2004 03:14 (twenty-two years ago)

hey did you actually read michael albert's "parecon"?

i'd like to discuss it with you.

vahid (vahid), Monday, 14 June 2004 03:39 (twenty-two years ago)

If you have questions about parecon I would prefer if you ask at I Love Self Emancipation of the Working Class , I could try to answer and if I can't then maybe I can refer you to people who could.

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Monday, 14 June 2004 04:09 (twenty-two years ago)

in Les lèvres nues n° 9, décembre 1956 et Internationale Situationniste n° 2, décembre 1958
Debord wrote "one day cities will be built for drifting" so in his vision, society could get organized enough
to accomplish a complex project like building a city. What I propose can be similar to idea, of drifting in the city, ludic-constructive behaviors where randomness have an important place.

The balanced job complexes, a pool of jobs that are balanced for empowerment and desirability, imo is friend with situationism in the sense that it dealienates people by multiplicating their tasks and responsibilities and by creating links between people: it renew them with their true desires thus eases the separation from false needs, gives them back the mastery of their lives. I think the dynamism and diversity of activities that makes balanced job complexes can ban frustration, boredom, guilt and can bring passion to social life.

I think "smart mobs for parecon" is an idea that can help to create these new social institutions that will make people's lives like a long moment of extasy. in a good way. glowsticks en sus.

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyone have ideas on how to make this non-violent revolutionary group based around that idea of "smart mob for parecon" hip, hip, hip, really hip?

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Monday, 14 June 2004 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

smart mobs: groups of people equipped with high-tech communications devices that let them act in concert, amplifying human talent for cooperation.
The idea is from Howard Reingold, you check out his site at
www.smartmobs.com/

I really think it goes well with participatory economics, I hope many others will agree and get together to work it out.

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 00:48 (twenty-two years ago)

The only problem is that while participatory decision-making can arrive at some astoundingly accurate predictions and conclusions when each participant makes their individual call isolated from their fellows, if one follows another they become influenced by the previous participants and it skews the results. You also make the same mistake Rheingold does and assume that the whole population has a common goal, which I think is often (not always) false.

social constraints regarding what is and isn't above or below a certain person's station (and who you work well with based on other social factors besides, like religious differences or something as simple as physical stature) will nullify a lot of the perceived benefits of your jobs framework, I think. It's not as simple as you make it sound.

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 15 June 2004 01:02 (twenty-two years ago)

if one follows another they become influenced by the previous participants and it skews the results

Sounds right, I'll bring this up when I'll talk to the user interface guy at tribe.net that is interested in this project.

assume that the whole population has a common goal

This idea might not be for the whole population, but for those wanting an economic system that embodies certain values like self-management, solidarity, diversity, equity. Simply put, Market = antagonist relation buyer/seller, where one gets ahead at the other's lost. That competitive thing structurally induce the worst kind of individualism + antisocial attributes because buyers/sellers only have to care about profits so they ignore the other costs that would have to get into their transactions if they were to really champion the values I mentioned. Instead the market system treat these values as handicaps to be exploited for profit: removing human well being and development to get the cash register to ring as much as it can.

social constraints regarding what is and isn't above or below a certain person's station

To avoid wasting human potential, right? This is an interesting problem, again I'm curious to see what the UI / user psychology guy will make of this. Also, I have yet to have feedback from pro theorists of parecon about all of this. (I would need a catchy name, SMP :smart mob parecon? it got 3 letters!)

(and who you work well with based on other social factors

I don't see this as a problem. Since SMP is made to be nomadic, I assume elective affinities would get spontaneously organized with usage.

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Thursday, 17 June 2004 03:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm asking myself how this idea could provide solutions to some problems addressed by Marshall Brain in "Robotic Nation"
www.marshallbrain.com/robotic-nation.htm

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 01:59 (twenty-one years ago)

it might be easier to piggy back on an existing product like this maybe:"social networking site built specifically for mobile phones." http://dodgeball.com/social/index.php

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Thursday, 24 June 2004 03:46 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
http://www.sims.berkeley.edu/~savage/ps/

What's this about? Project PlaceSite introduces a new way of using wireless networks -- to create digital community services by, for and about people who are together in the same physical place.

PlaceSite is an open platform for Web applications tied intimately to physical places. It lets people share information locally, apart from the global Web.

PlaceSite is built on what already exists -- users don’t need to install new software or purchase new hardware. It also enables location-based services without relying on participation by cellular carriers or Internet service providers.

We already rolled out the core PlaceSite service for one month in a café in Berkeley, California. Soon we'll roll it out in more Bay Area cafés, and we'll release the code so you can build your own PlaceSites in your neighborhood. You can help us enhance community gathering places around the world.

S. (Sébastien Chikara), Friday, 27 January 2006 06:17 (twenty years ago)


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