Do suicide hotlines work?

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Not aiming for sympathy at all here, but I have felt very depressed over the past few weeks and have considered calling one, but it seems like it would be uncomfortable and probably wouldn't help. Are they just going to kiss my ass because that's what they're paid to do?

David Allen (David Allen), Friday, 18 June 2004 03:43 (twenty-two years ago)

hmmmmm.... i used to volunteer for a "lifeline" service. i'm a trained counsellor by the way. so in my experience, yes they may be able to help and no, i wasn't being paid to kiss people's asses. i'm sure they are all different though.

gem (trisk), Friday, 18 June 2004 03:45 (twenty-two years ago)

David, you should also try to spend more time with your friends. I know you have them because, on that basketball thread, you mentioned hanging out with them and watching the Pistons in the playoffs, even though y'all didn't really like sports! You should call them up. Even if you feel like you don't want to burden them with your problems, just being around other folks can be really therapeutic. It helps get your mind off things.

Broheems (diamond), Friday, 18 June 2004 04:07 (twenty-two years ago)

oh shit, I just saw this. I'm sorry that I come off so harsh on you, dude, regardless of you feeling depressed lately or not. It's not personal, I don't wish you any harm, in fact I wish the opposite for you (lots of good stuff). Take it easy.

And I've never called a hotline, so I can't help you there, but if you're really feeling that bad where you need to call one, don't hesitate, and try to keep an open mind. More than likely no one will kiss your ass.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 04:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Im sorry if I came off here like I was just trying to get sympathy, but thanks.

David Allen (David Allen), Friday, 18 June 2004 04:15 (twenty-two years ago)

David I think it depends on one's personality. Browsing the web for information on suicide is more helpful to me, but then I'm a just the facts kind of personality. I could never call a hotline, and had the same feelings as you about it.

If talking to someone is helpful to you, though, you should call a hotline anyway, or a friend. This assumes that you have really good friends with their heads on straight.

You can always email or AIM me me if you like (radiofreealbmuth), I'd be happy to chat with you, having been down this road myself. If I am not on/in AIM email me and we can set a time or something. I am a firm believer in meds for depression so I heartily advise a trip to the doctor.

Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 18 June 2004 04:17 (twenty-two years ago)

they saved my life a couple of times...but im on the aim (pinkmoosepearl) and on the phone ( 1 780 433 9815--call collect)

anthony, Friday, 18 June 2004 04:20 (twenty-two years ago)

talk to friends, talk here, email everyone, and why not try a hotline anyway? sounds like they do 'work'

donna (donna), Friday, 18 June 2004 04:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes they DO work.

Do yourself a favor and give them a call. Could be something as simple as the blahs or maybe there's something bigger going on...anyway these people are caring and there to help.

rxreed (rxreed), Friday, 18 June 2004 04:32 (twenty-two years ago)

i agree with donna and i reckon give a hotline a go. so what if it is crap, you haven't lost anything and you'll know for next time that it doesn't work for you. or at least that the particular one you ring doesn't work for you. or it might be a really positive experience.

gem (trisk), Friday, 18 June 2004 04:32 (twenty-two years ago)

i think they could help pose a few questions that could, if not cheer you up, at least get you thinking about alternatives. they could do this without kissing your ass.

i admire people who work at suicide hotlines.

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 18 June 2004 04:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Arse-kissing can be a huge concern when seeking help for depression. In fact, someone kissing your arse can have a hugely damaging effect. For this reason, I seriously doubt any suicide hotline in the world would resort to arse-kissing.

Lo Boob Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 18 June 2004 04:46 (twenty-two years ago)

When I was in a depressed state of mind I had the same thought, though, like "What could a perfect stranger possibly have to say to me over the phone?" Maybe it doesn't make sense but I understand what he's saying. I had a very hard time believing that anyone was sitting there who actually cared, and to be paid to care was somehow worse. If my "friends" didn't care, why would a volunteer who might be older/younger/not like me/unable to relate/etc. care?

I don't mean to discourage anyone from calling, I think calling is a good thing, but I understand the doubts one would have about it. I think anyone who can should call a hotline, but if you can't, call or email SOMEONE.

Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 18 June 2004 04:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I've actually found my GP to be a wonderful person to talk to these days and Orbit's right - meds are important if it can be determined that you're clinically depressed. I believe I'd be dead now if it weren't for them. Talking to someone is very good moslty because it really helps to have some fresh perspective on things. Please take care and know that you're not alone.

Bryan (Bryan), Friday, 18 June 2004 05:11 (twenty-two years ago)

If my "friends" didn't care, why would a volunteer who might be older/younger/not like me/unable to relate/etc. care?

I can imagine a lot of people feel this way, but the important thing to realise is that the people on the other end of a suicide hotline don't actually care very much about you. That's not the point. They're there to provide a different perspective, a sounding board against which to vent your feelings. If they are older, younger, 'not like me' then all the better. When you're feeling suicidal the best thing you can hope for is somebody to talk to who is very much not like you.

Andrew (enneff), Friday, 18 June 2004 05:17 (twenty-two years ago)

David, I can totally understand the doubts, and the suggestions to spend time with your friends and talk to caring people you know are all good ones as well. That may be help enough to get you through whatever you are facing.

There can be an advantage to something like a help line, however, in that they are anonymous and the people on the other end of the phone are trained to listen to and help people feeling the way you are. Sometimes it is helpful to be able to unload your feelings with all the connected baggage with no fear that any of it will "get back to" (or just get to) your loved ones or friends.

I know, for example, that my parents love me very much, and I get along well with them, but there are some feelings and thoughts (relating to depression, etc.) that I wouldn't want to share with them simply because they don't necessarily know how to handle it. (Imagine any parent handling a child telling them some of the things they think about when very depressed.) Similar things can also be true of friends.

If you're thinking of calling because you think it might help, why not? The people answering phones at those places are trained... There's no chance that they won't listen or won't understand what you're talking about. (They've been trained to help with exactly what you're talking about.) The worst that can happen is that it doesn't make you feel better, but you won't be worse off for having called.

If you do decide to call, keep this in mind: If, for any reason, you feel that the person you've ended up speaking to is not helpful or that you'd prefer to speak to someone else (say, if you have a preference for speaking to males or females, or even if you just don't like their voice or whatever), just ask if you can speak to someone else instead. I have done this myself a couple of times, and none of the folks I spoke to ever seemed offended or unable to understand. They just want you to be comfortable and get whatever good you can from the situation.

(If you want to talk more about crisis phone lines or anything related, feel free to email me. I'm not a doctor or a trained counselor, but I have personal experience being on the other end of the phone, and I can offer my experience if it's helpful.)

martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 18 June 2004 05:29 (twenty-two years ago)

You might look at it this way.

If you knew how to get yourself out of your depression, you'd have already done it. There's a small chance the hotline person might have more information than you do. In that case, you're ahead of the game. If they don't seem very competant or worthwhile, then you've learned something, too.

Of course there's no guarantee it will work miracles for you. But then again, if you're not drastically suicidal at this point, the cost of failure would be negligible and you'd be no worse off than if you hadn't tried. If you are drastically suicidal, then the cost of doing nothing could be astronomical.

It's totally up to you.

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Andrew upthread that was a very good point. I had never thought about it like that. It doesn't matter if they don't care, they are THERE.

Orbit (Orbit), Saturday, 19 June 2004 05:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I was going to say, Andrew totally and utterly OTM. What people who aren't connected directly to you can do is point you to a different viewpoint, get you away from the way you are feeling, suggest an alternative perspective. Whether you take direction or guidance is up to you, but believe me, when you're down you aren't thinking rationally and it's a struggle to try and involve your friends who know you when you aren't like this. Providing a neutral voice to help you through and give you some perspective is maybe all that they can do, but it's similarly all you maybe really need.

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 19 June 2004 13:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Someone once called the clinic where I work thinking it was a suicide hotline while I was in a really frantic moment. Wonder what happened to that guy.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Saturday, 19 June 2004 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Nope. Didn't work for me. I called and still killed myself.

Ra, Sunday, 20 June 2004 03:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't be an ass.

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 20 June 2004 08:50 (twenty-two years ago)

They do work. The people who staff these help lines are trained to provide very specific kinds of information and guidance that can temporarily keep you on an even keel and save your life. But it's really for crisis intervention. After you get off the phone, you need to see a doctor/counselor if you're really feeling troubled.

Skottie, Sunday, 27 June 2004 02:37 (twenty-one years ago)


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