Immediate Attention Demanded--TS: Seattle vs San Diego vs Chicago

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K, guys. Here's the plan. I can't afford the Greyhound bus fare to California: the trip would take too long, and it's inconvenient overall. And so it occurred to me to use my Frequent Flyer Miles that I had been accumulating for the past couple of years. As it is, I can either go to Seattle by using up ALL my frequent flyer miles, and having to pay in addition, an extra 151 bux. If I opt for Chi-town or SD instead, I'll only use 2/3rds of my FFM and pay only a nominal fee of $55. Keep in mind, I will have no car once I reach my destination. So good public transportation is obviously a plus.

GOOOO EMERGENCY MINIONS!!!!

Fr4ncis W4tlingt0n, Monday, 21 June 2004 00:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Seattle's public transport is very good, so is Chicago's from what I've experienced but Seattle kicks its ass as a town. SD has shit pub. transport. The answer is obviously SEATTLE. (cough, cough)

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 21 June 2004 00:33 (twenty-two years ago)

(plus me and Donut Bitch and Jen & Martin M. and Morley Timmons et al)

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 21 June 2004 00:34 (twenty-two years ago)

(and JS Williams and Scott CE and others I forget)

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 21 June 2004 00:34 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd be happy to show you around town but it's not optimal vacation time here. we got this phenomenon called the "june gloom" - basically until the 4th of july it's like november here. we get this thick layer of fog that rolls in off the beach and makes everything chilly and damp. also there's about ten million tourists here. also my car's a mess.

vahid (vahid), Monday, 21 June 2004 00:41 (twenty-two years ago)

correction to matos: public transport is NON-EXISTENT in san diego. you can take a trolley to the mall and that's about it.

vahid (vahid), Monday, 21 June 2004 00:43 (twenty-two years ago)

oh I've been there! to Vista, to be exact. there are like five buses. total. per day.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 21 June 2004 00:53 (twenty-two years ago)

so is Chicago's from what I've experienced but Seattle kicks its ass as a town

hahahahahaha!! Matos yr a card! That's good stuff.

Broheems (diamond), Monday, 21 June 2004 00:59 (twenty-two years ago)

vista : san diego :: pluto : solar system

but yeah, you know. i live along a pretty "well serviced" corridor, along the coast hwy 101, and i can get around as quickly on a bike as on a bus. it's something about the city planning has made buses somehow totally impractical for anybody that doesn't NEED to take the bus (i think it's the low low density or something).

vahid (vahid), Monday, 21 June 2004 01:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Seattle RULES. It's a beautiful city, full of great stuff and surrounded by great stuff. We just had our annual Solstice Parade, which features naked body-painted bicyclists. HOW CAN YOU GO ANYWHERE ELSE?

Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:06 (twenty-two years ago)

... Seattle kicks its ass as a town.

so, so, so wrong.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean Seattle is nice, I've enjoyed it every time I've been there, but it's no where near as great a city as Chicago. Which is kinda unfair given Chicago's size, but still.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Seattle is a nice town, but it's not hardly a CITY. It's also insanely hot right now- not that San Diego or Chicago would be much better.

lyra (lyra), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:21 (twenty-two years ago)

i've not been to any of these towns. i must also be the only polish-american person w/ no family in chicago.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:22 (twenty-two years ago)

The one summer thing in Seattle's favor is that, to my knowledge, 500 people didn't die because it was too hot one summer.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:22 (twenty-two years ago)

i must also be the only polish-american person w/ no family in chicago.

I dunno dude, I get funny looks when I wear my White Sox hat in Greenpoint. Figured there'd be more polski love for the South Siders, but maybe not.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

those are FOB polacks. they don't count.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:24 (twenty-two years ago)

:-)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Chicago sounds great, but the weather always looks like hell - too windy or too hot or too cold.

Go for Seattle.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:24 (twenty-two years ago)

if weather is the only consideration, then surely san diego would rule no?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:25 (twenty-two years ago)

San Diego - great weather, just as bland as everything else.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sub-goth - San Diego's nice weather would drive me insane. Gimme rain.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sub-goth

and you haven't melted in that tejas sun?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:28 (twenty-two years ago)

"No, it does not rain all the time in Seattle. Many large cities on the USA east coast (i.e., Atlanta, New York, Washington D.C.) receive more annual precipitation than Seattle. However, when it stops raining in these east coast cities, the sky clears. In Seattle, when it stops raining, the sky stays overcast. The rain in Seattle is usually a light or fine misty rain. The normal average annual precipitation total for Seattle is 37.19 inches."

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Chicago is the only answer that is right, despite the touching effort put forth by Seattle. In other news, San Diego has changed its name to Sad Diego.

Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:33 (twenty-two years ago)

x-post More than once. I always assume that this summer won't be that bad, surely I'm used to it after 20+ years. Nope, it's all a lie.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I vote for Chicago if only because I've only visited and therefore have no crappy memories of it as yet

Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:34 (twenty-two years ago)

What about San Francisco? If your FF miles will get you to SD, SF should be close to the same, right? Best weather+Pacific Ocean+better than the others

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:35 (twenty-two years ago)

In other news, San Diego has changed its name to Sad Diego.

My roommate has a girlfriend now, he's happy!

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:35 (twenty-two years ago)

SF would be great if there were 1) jobs and 2) it wasn't so damn expensive.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:36 (twenty-two years ago)

SOUNDS LIKE NEW YORK

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:37 (twenty-two years ago)

According to Esquire, the SF Mayor is nü-Bill Clinton. Surely that makes up for the cost of living.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:38 (twenty-two years ago)

hstencil otm re rain, though I think it may well precipitate more frequently (with less product), or on more days, in Seattle than in those other cities (my parents refer to Seattle weather as NAMLKWAK, for 'night and morning low clouds with (partial) afternoon clearing'), though the Summer is much less rainy than the rest of the year. or people are confusing Seattle with the extremely rainy areas of the Olympic Peninsula.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:38 (twenty-two years ago)

The one summer thing in Seattle's favor is that, to my knowledge, 500 people didn't die because it was too hot one summer.
-- hstencil (hstenci...), June 21st, 2004.

Exactly what I figure.

if weather is the only consideration, then surely san diego would rule no?
-- Eisbär (llamasfu...), June 21st, 2004.
Yes, but it is summer, so I wouldn't know how convenient it would be. Is there anything worth seeing other than the beaches, Balboa Park, La Jolla, and Coronado? And I will have no car so it's looking like a slimmer proposition. And I'm trying to avoid much sun, seeing as I'm escaping both Puerto Rico AND Texas.

I've always wanted to go to Seattle, but as far as amenities go, is Chicago really the better city? I know most of you are biased, so objectivity is out the window... But what makes each city so unique? Chicago seems like it would be too big to check out in less than a week, and I'm not really that familiarized with what exactly there is to see. I have a vague idea of what I would be looking for in the city, but that's it.

Milo: I don't have enough miles for LA, which was my original destination, but I haven't checked San Fran, which could prove to be a good idea. HOWEVER, it doesn't call to me the way Seattle or Chicago do...KEEP IT UP, I have to decide in an hour and 20 or I will lose my reservation.

Franco W, Monday, 21 June 2004 02:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Eisbar you and I are working now, so New York is great!

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I was just in Seattle last week, where it was chilly but OK. It's such a small big city that you can pretty much hit all the major tourist attractions in a couple of days, which could be a plus. One big negative to Seattle, though: monorails that burst into flame! Also, a dirty secret: while the seafood is, of course, much fresher than it would be in Chicago, it's just as expensive. Same goes for the fruit, berries, and other goodies at Pike's famed market, which in itself is almost worth a visit. The near complete lack of ethnicity in Seattle is also disconcerting. Where's the flava?

Oh, and some of the worst traffic in the country. Nice views while you're stuck in it, though.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:45 (twenty-two years ago)

dude Seattle has mad Vietnamese and Ethiopian and other ethnicities. They're there, you just musta been in whiteyville or something. And traffic there does suck, yeah.

Oh yeah, no fresh seafood is one Chi-town's downfalls.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:46 (twenty-two years ago)

The borders of Seattle's Whiteyville neighborhood are poorly defined, as I was unable to escape them. Not that there's anything wrong with white people, mind.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:50 (twenty-two years ago)

there's nothing wrong with white people, I'm one myself. We do get a little boring sometimes, though. Variety is the spice of life!

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Come to Seattle. It doesn't mean you have to move here!

Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:54 (twenty-two years ago)

ATTN PLEASE!!!

Milo, this one's for you, buddie!

There are, I repeat, there are, tix available for San Fran. It would cost me 55 bux and 2/3rds of my FFMs. I think it's a mighty fine deal. But *coyly*... what is there to see in San Fran that's better than Chicago or Seattle? CONVINCE ME, DAMMIT!

Fr4ncis Kiddo, Monday, 21 June 2004 02:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Ooh, I think San Fran is a better bet than both Chicago and Seattle, for an impulse trip. Best of all worlds, since it has all the stuff a great city should have - food, museums, parks, cool things to see and visit, good public transporation - but is small and therefore relatively accessible. Plus, the "you don't have to move here" factor really comes into plays, because, man, San Francisco ...

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Monday, 21 June 2004 03:08 (twenty-two years ago)

what is there to see in San Fran that's better than Chicago or Seattle?

SF is more beautiful than Chicago or Seattle.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 June 2004 03:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Seattle is a BUTT UGLY city.

However. Walk south of Pioneer Square. Turn left (east) up Jackson. Walk until you reach the International District, aka Chinatown/Little Saigon. Uwajimaya (god of grocery stores) is on your right by 3 blocks. Walk up Jackson further to 12th. Find Saigon Deli, where I get a $3 lunch most days, and Seattle Deli (also Vietnamese), Pho place where you order by big pho or little pho, also the place where you get 25 dumplings for $3. (No, I have NEVER asked what's in them.) House of Hong & some other places have very good dim sum, if you have 2 hours. All this, within a few blocks. :-)

lyra (lyra), Monday, 21 June 2004 03:16 (twenty-two years ago)

"Seattle is a BUTT UGLY city."

Hahaha. Honesty at long last!

F to the Dubya, Monday, 21 June 2004 03:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Seattle is a BUTT UGLY city.

Madness. I imagine you would have much more to do in Chicago, and have a hard time believing it's easier to get around Seattle than Chicago, but Seattle would seem to be the more distinctive location.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 21 June 2004 03:23 (twenty-two years ago)

(the east coast cities [EVEN BOSTON] kick ALL of these cities asses!)

ignoramusbär (llamasfur), Monday, 21 June 2004 03:26 (twenty-two years ago)

gabbneb you are insane. Chicago is beautiful. It may not have mountains nearby, but it has a man-made beauty, augmented by the lakefront and river, that most American cities completely lack.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 June 2004 03:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Eisbar you are even more insane than gabbneb. Chicago's architecture kicks any East Coast city's all day long, and then some.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 June 2004 03:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Eisbar you are even more insane than gabbneb. Chicago's architecture kicks any East Coast city's all day long, and then some.

check the name:

ignoramusbär

capisce?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 21 June 2004 03:32 (twenty-two years ago)

being ignorant never stopped me from making outrageous claims and then getting called on them, why should it stop you?

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 June 2004 03:33 (twenty-two years ago)

those buildings on the cover of wilco's yankee hotel foxtrot, yes?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 21 June 2004 03:35 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, the "corn cob" towers, one of many beautiful Chicago landmarks.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 June 2004 03:37 (twenty-two years ago)

the corn cob towers are the ONLY thing about that wilco cd that i like.

i really should see chicago sometime.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 21 June 2004 03:40 (twenty-two years ago)

you need to see someplace with real Casimir S. Pulaski love, yeah.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 June 2004 03:41 (twenty-two years ago)

no one in my grade school class knew who he was

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 21 June 2004 03:41 (twenty-two years ago)

i gots that in jersey city, yo! they named a skyway after him, you know!!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 21 June 2004 03:42 (twenty-two years ago)

and i've always wondered since songs about fucking, does steve albini know who he was?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 21 June 2004 03:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Seattle's surrounding area (Rainier, the Olympics, the San Juans, Whidbey) are gorgeous... although you can't easily reach those without a car. The city itself is nothing special... I like parts of it, but not in comparison to a lot of other cities in the US.

(the east coast cities [EVEN BOSTON] kick ALL of these cities asses!)
Well obviously. :) But my job is out here, so I have to suck it up.

If I was picking, I'd go to San Diego & sit on the beach.

lyra (lyra), Monday, 21 June 2004 03:43 (twenty-two years ago)

dude Eisbar you do not know your polski histori:

HISTORY OF CASIMIR PULASKI Casimir Pulaski, the oldest son of Count Joseph Pulaski, was born in March, 1748. At the age of fifteen, he joined his father and other members of the Polish nobility in opposing the Russian and Prussian interference of Polish political affairs.

Outlawed by Russia for his actions on behalf of Polish liberty, he traveled to Paris where he met Benjamin Franklin. Franklin convinced him to support the colonies against England in the American Revolution.

Pulaski impressed with the ideals of a new nation struggling to be free, volunteered his services. Franklin wrote to George Washington describing the young Pole as an officer, renowned throughout Europe for the courage and bravery he displayed in defense of his country¹s freedom.

In 1777, Pulaski arrived in Philadelphia where he met General Washington, Commander-in -Chief of the Continental Army. Later at Brandywine, he came to the aid of Washington's forces and distinguished himself as a brilliant military tactician. For his efforts, Congress appointed him Brigadier-General in charge of Four Horse Brigades. Then again, at the battles of Germantown and Valley Forge, Pulaski's knowledge of warfare assisted Washington and his men.

Later in 1778, through Washington's intervention, Congress approved the establishment of the Cavalry and put Pulaski at its head. The Father of the American Cavalry demanded much of his men and trained them in tested cavalry tactics. He used his own personal finances, when money from Congress was scarce, in order to assure his forces of the finest equipment and personal safety.

Pulaski and his legion were then ordered to defend Little Egg Harbor in New Jersey and Minisink on the Delaware and then south to Charleston, South Carolina. However, it was at the battle of Savannah in 1779 that General Pulaski, riding forth into battle on his horse, fell to the ground mortally wounded by the blast of cannon. It is said, the General's enemies were so impressed with his courage, that they spared his life and permitted him to be carried from the battlefield. However, two days later, on October 11 Pulaski died.

used to be Chicago shut down on March 1.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 June 2004 03:45 (twenty-two years ago)

and a Philly connection, even. Shame on you, Eisbar!

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 June 2004 03:47 (twenty-two years ago)

dude Eisbar you do not know your polski histori

do too! i know the story about the dude w/ the funny name on the mustard jar?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 21 June 2004 03:48 (twenty-two years ago)

gabbneb you are insane. Chicago is beautiful. It may not have mountains nearby, but it has a man-made beauty

I AM SORRY THAT GABBNEB IS NOT THE WORLD TRAVELER THAT IS THE H-STENCIL. I AM SIMPLE MOUNTAIN MAN KNOWING ONLY MY PROVINCIAL PIKE MARKET AND ITS VAINGLORIOUS FOODSTUFFS. AND ALSO THE DINGHYS WITH THEIR HORNS OF LOUD AS THEY TRAVERSE THE SOUND, PUGET IT IS KNOWN BY. TOO THE MOUNTAIN, TAHOMA. I HAVE SEEN THE CHICAGO CITY ONLY FROM THE YEOMAN'S PERSPECTIVE OF THE 747, AND ALSO THE 757, WHICH HAS LESS THE LEG ROOM. ONE DAY I WILL CROSS THE OHIO AND REACH THE CHICAGO AND ITS TOWER OF SEARS BUT TIME UNTIL SUCH SHALL BE WITHOUT THE ROOT OF THE BURNHAM FOR SHAME.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 21 June 2004 03:48 (twenty-two years ago)

dude stop shouting. And stop making up/using gay NYC neighborhood names.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 June 2004 03:49 (twenty-two years ago)

ok, i see where the confusion came from ...

and i've always wondered since songs about fucking, does steve albini know who he was?

i meant, does STEVE ALBINI know who pulaski was?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 21 June 2004 03:50 (twenty-two years ago)

of course he does. He lives in Chicago.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 June 2004 03:51 (twenty-two years ago)

"Pulaski" sounds like something Shellac would record.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 June 2004 03:59 (twenty-two years ago)

"Kasimir S. Pulaski Day" is on Songs About Fucking, Ned.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 June 2004 04:01 (twenty-two years ago)

whereas most polish words look like autechre song titles!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 21 June 2004 04:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Just made reservations for SAN FRAN, but my service charge went up by 25 bux, making it a grand total of $80. OH NOES! Still, I could've used that on some cab fare. I still have to decide whether to leave on Thurs or Fri, as I have take to care of tings that remain in the air.

Fwat, Monday, 21 June 2004 04:15 (twenty-two years ago)

isn't the BART extension to SFO open now? So cabfare might not be an issue.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 June 2004 04:17 (twenty-two years ago)

good choice. it's foggy and cold right now - sitting on the beach would be depressing =(

vahid (vahid), Monday, 21 June 2004 04:21 (twenty-two years ago)

ARE THERE ANY CHEAP HOTELS IN DOWNTOWN SF THAT ARE LIVABLE FOR A FEW DAYS???!!

Can anyone tell me 'bout the Olympic Hotel, the Mosser hotel, or the Adante, or any other dumpish pads where I could crash for lil' money and not have my room broken into?

Fr4ncis W4tling, Monday, 21 June 2004 05:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Essex Hotel? Garland Hotel? These look like historic cheapies.

C'est moi, Monday, 21 June 2004 05:31 (twenty-two years ago)

*historic-(al)

Same diff! The Garland Hotel web site hotel makes it look REAAAL GOOD and reaal cheap. I think that will probably be my pick.

F.W., Monday, 21 June 2004 05:35 (twenty-two years ago)

"Nobody hears...and nobody careeeeeeeeees..."

F..., Monday, 21 June 2004 05:36 (twenty-two years ago)

you made the right choice, my friend. BART is indeed connected to the airport now, so a cab ride isn't necessary.

i don't think you wanna be downtown-downtown. it seemed like the least interesting part of the city.

oops (Oops), Monday, 21 June 2004 06:48 (twenty-two years ago)


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