Social Experiments (e.g. Brook Farm, Harlem Children's Zone, Port Royal Experiment, Manson Family, Seaweed Collective, Move)

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Who else read the article in the NY Times magazine about the Harlem Children's Zone?

That guy Canada's theories and approaches were cool - the tightly knit blanket of social safety he's growing in a 65-block-radius of Harlem.

I'm studying Brook Farm and the Port Royal Experiment.

What can you tell me about social experiments, utopian constructs, ya know..

Maria D. (Maria D.), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 00:30 (twenty-two years ago)

What can you tell me about social experiments, utopian constructs, ya know..

Ya can pick your friends and ya can pick your nose but ya can't pick your friend's nose.

Look, you're not really as stupid as you're coming off here, are you?

Harry Klam, Tuesday, 22 June 2004 00:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Look, you're not really as stupid as you're coming off here, are you?

Now, now.

Maria D. (Maria D.), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 00:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Go pee on somebody else's thread.

Maria D. (Maria D.), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 00:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Not getting much help, are you?

Harry Klam, Tuesday, 22 June 2004 00:51 (twenty-two years ago)

God another lame troll, theyre getting as bad as usenet.

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 00:55 (twenty-two years ago)

[MOVE]: What can you tell me about ...utopian constructs...

MOVE:

"[MOVE] women were taught that their main role was that of conceiving and giving birth to children. John Africa taught them to "DO AS, be like the principle of life," the principle of life being procreation (Anderson, 9). Women were not allowed to use any forms of contraception such as birth control, and abortions were forbidden. They were also not allowed any medical attention such as visits to the gynecologist or the obstetrician. They were expected to give birth completely naturally, without any medical care. Upon giving birth, women were expected to lick their babies clean and sever the umbilical cord by biting it with their teeth. After biting the umbilical cord, they had to eat it (Anderson, 9).

Irving Veeblefetzer, Ph.D., Tuesday, 22 June 2004 01:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Look, you're not really as stupid as you're coming off here, are you?

I fail to see why Maria's request is even remotely stupid! I doubt very much that this will be at all helpful, but:

Utopian Socialism

I'm sure I've missed the point, but good luck all the same.

Matt Thurgood (Matt T), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 08:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, *I* learned something today - that Charlotte Perkins Gilman's other middle name was STETSON!

See also Coleridge, Southey and Pantisocracy (hehe she said PANTI) for an abortive attempt at utopian social engineering...

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 09:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Yikes!! Here is a web site with more about MOVE (including the excerpt from above):

http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/Move.html

Mark my words, severing an umbilical cord by chewing it apart will be a stunt in a reality TV game show some day.

Ernest P. (ernestp), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 14:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Can't forget about the Oneida Community:

http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/Oneida.html

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 14:18 (twenty-two years ago)

This sounds a little suspicious:


A third Oneidan ideal was the practice of "ascending fellowship." This teaching was set up so that virgins might be
properly introduced into the system of complex marriage. Moreover, ascending fellowship worked to prevent young
members from falling in love and from limiting their affections to just their peers. So-called Central Members were
chosen to care for the virgins, as these members were believed to have a closer association to God. Central Members
were allowed to pick their virgin partner over whom they were to have the responsibility of spiritual guidance.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 14:20 (twenty-two years ago)

You think?

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I think maybe some of the objection to the thread - though I don't wanna speak for anybody - might lie in labelling the Manson Family a social experiment or utopian construct.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

But the Manson Family were a social experiment, weren't they? Or at least an experiment in communal living. Granted the experiment pretty much consisted of feeding young kids lots of acid and then telling them the world was gonna end and psychologically manipulating them to do illegal stuff, but still...

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)

they might have been an experiment (debatable), but I don't think they were a conscious one, like a lot of the other examples.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

That's true. They just kinda ended up being an experiment. Kinda like my family!

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 14:58 (twenty-two years ago)

my family blew up in the lab.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

You kids and your rap slang.

St. Nicholas Ridiculous (Nick A.), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 15:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Skinner's Walden Two inspired a few real communities, one which, I believe, lasted for quite some time. Can't remember the name tho.

ryan (ryan), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sure I've missed the point, but good luck all the same

You certainly did. You're confusing "utopian movement" and "social experiment" with cult.

Irvin Veeblefetzer, Ph.D., Tuesday, 22 June 2004 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)

hehe pantiesocracy

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sorry, I have no idea why I actually posted that.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Is anyone going to explain why we're comparing the Harlem Children's Zone with the Manson Family?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Because they're both artificial, planned, theoretically new ways of organizing a community?

mouse, Tuesday, 22 June 2004 22:00 (twenty-two years ago)

No, I don't think that describes the Harlem Children's Zone at all. Or the Manson Family, for that matter.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)

No? Well I guess you might say that there is no such thing as an artificial soial experiment, as all ways of social organization are spontaneous on some level (in that they are all created by people, not godbreathed). But I think that that's what the original question was taking as an assumption.

mouse, Tuesday, 22 June 2004 22:05 (twenty-two years ago)


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