J0hn, don't go! Come back!

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I'm very sorry.

This is an online petition for J.D. to come back. (other threads for other matters...)

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 24 June 2004 08:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I sign my name here.

Sick Mouthy.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 24 June 2004 08:34 (twenty-one years ago)

come back J0hn!

― MarkH (MarkH), Thursday, 24 June 2004 08:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I Am Not A Mandible, Esq.

― I am not a mandible (Barima), Thursday, 24 June 2004 08:43 (twenty-one years ago)

!@@#@!#@%!#%^#

― Sir Chaki McBeer III (chaki), Thursday, 24 June 2004 08:45 (twenty-one years ago)

i hope it was snap anger and not a growing disillusionment broken by the preverbial straw, and that J0hn - one of my favorite posters before i even knew he was a mo*ntain goat - will reassess and come back.

― gaz (gaz), Thursday, 24 June 2004 08:48 (twenty-one years ago)

What's happened? Must be bad for J0hn to go as he's one of the most patient and eloquent posters her.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 24 June 2004 08:53 (twenty-one years ago)

should be 'here' obv.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 24 June 2004 08:53 (twenty-one years ago)

- cozen.

I agree with his leave though. so.

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 24 June 2004 08:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Return, ersatz Midwesterner ;-).

― suzy (suzy), Thursday, 24 June 2004 08:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Here here, your contributions on this board are valuable and loved by many and I for one loved knowing you were about, it'd be a shame for you to go over whats really been a bit of a misjudgment, now amended with (what seems) little harm done, all things considered!

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 24 June 2004 09:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Come back, please.

love kate

― E.S.P (ipsofacto), Thursday, 24 June 2004 09:27 (twenty-one years ago)

:-(

Lucy

― Madchen (Madchen), Thursday, 24 June 2004 09:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not entirely sure I'd describe John as terribly patient, but it's a poorer board without him. And look, Madchen's so upset you even get her real name!

Please come back John,
Love Mark

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 24 June 2004 09:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Babe, I love you so
I want you to know
That I'm going to miss your love
The minute you walk out that door

So please don't go
Don't go
Don't go away
Please don't go
Don't go
I'm begging you to stay

If you leave
At least in my lifetime
I've had one dream come true
I was blessed to be loved
By someone as wonderful as you

Babe, I love you so
I, I want yo to know
That I'm going to miss your love
The minute you walk out that door

So please don't go
Don't go
Don't go away
Hey, hey, hey
I need your love
I'm down on my knees
Beggin' please, please, please
Don't go
Don't you hear me baby
please don't go
Don't leave me now
Oh, no, no, no, no
Please don't go
I want you to know
That I, I, I, love you so
Don't leave me baby
Please don't go

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 24 June 2004 09:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I have no idea what happened but ILX will be a poorer place without J0hn. Please stay.

― Rock Bastard, Thursday, 24 June 2004 09:54 (twenty-one years ago)

What everyone else said. J0hn, your knowedlege, humor and (this stands out a lot for me, since it's sometimes rare on ILX) ability to develop your arguments without ever getting nasty would be terribly missed if you didn't come back. Also, as I said before, DON'T LEAVE US ALONE WITH MOMUS!!

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 24 June 2004 09:57 (twenty-one years ago)

The man has a point. J0hn's cool. The ILX brain drain has already taken some gooduns - don't go already!

― Johnney B (Johnney B), Thursday, 24 June 2004 10:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Blimey. I have no idea what happened, but I sincerely hope you don't go J0hn.

― C J (C J), Thursday, 24 June 2004 10:11 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm with those guys.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Thursday, 24 June 2004 10:13 (twenty-one years ago)

For those of you who want to know what happened, read the "Excelsior the Book" thread.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 24 June 2004 10:15 (twenty-one years ago)

May I add my voice to the chorus?

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Thursday, 24 June 2004 10:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Some things must be beyond parody - any other sequence of events would surely have produced a "J0hn, go! Don't come back!" thread by now.

J0hn, you're one of the saner posters here. Reconsider?

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 24 June 2004 10:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Aah right, I can see why he was pissed off enough to leave.

Maybe if we made a cake he might come back.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 24 June 2004 10:30 (twenty-one years ago)

We can ill afford to lose one of our most intelligent and interesting and thoughtful ILXers, and one of my favourites. I hope you'll reconsider, J0hn.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 24 June 2004 10:44 (twenty-one years ago)

john IS nate patrin IN day of the locust

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 24 June 2004 10:48 (twenty-one years ago)

(coming soon to a theater near you)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 24 June 2004 10:48 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.smile-a-day.com/pics/cake9.gif

― Hanna (Hanna), Thursday, 24 June 2004 10:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Hello there the angel from my nightmare
The shadow in the background of the morgue
The unsuspecting victim of darkness in the valley
We can live like Jack and Sally if we want
Where you can always find me
And we'll have Halloween on Christmas
And in the night we'll wish this never ends
We'll wish this never ends

(I miss you I miss you)
(I miss you I miss you)

Where are you and I'm so sorry
I cannot sleep I cannot dream tonight
I need somebody and always
This sick strange darkness
Comes creeping on so haunting every time
And as I stared I counted
The Webs from all the spiders
Catching things and eating their insides
Like indecision to call you
and hear your voice of treason
Will you come home and stop this pain tonight
Stop this pain tonight

Don't waste your time on me you're already
The voice inside my head (I miss you miss you)
Don't waste your time on me you're already
The voice inside my head (I miss you miss you)

Don't waste your time on me you're already
The voice inside my head (I miss you miss you)
Don't waste your time on me you're already
The voice inside my head (I miss you miss you)
Don't waste your time on me you're already
The voice inside my head (I miss you miss you)
Don't waste your time on me you're already
The voice inside my head (I miss you miss you)

I miss you (miss you miss you)
I miss you (miss you miss you)
I miss you (miss you miss you)
I miss you (miss you miss you)
(I miss you miss you)

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 24 June 2004 10:52 (twenty-one years ago)

this is all kind of silly. if john wants to be a pissy bitch, it's his perogative.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 24 June 2004 10:53 (twenty-one years ago)

But we lose a poster we like. So it's our prerogative to try and get him back.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, I just signed the petition to be cool. I'm not even an Esq. I am a mandible, tho'.

― I am not a mandible (Barima), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Jess and Mark both otm.

― Matt (Matt), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Momus-as-J0hn: 'Really, ILX, eat a bag of dicks for this.'

― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:19 (twenty-one years ago)

You know, I don't post on here often, but I check it just about every day, and it's usually to read what a few specific posters write. One of those is J0hn.

I really hope he returns soon.

― Charlie Rose (Charlie Rose), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:21 (twenty-one years ago)

He will

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:22 (twenty-one years ago)

THEY ALWAYS DO

― I am not a mandible (Barima), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:25 (twenty-one years ago)

In other news esoj/surfacenoise has also left ilx.

― E.S.P (ipsofacto), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Can we redefine 'leaving' the same way we did 'reproducing / quoting'?

Serge Gainsbourg: 'I give up smoking every five minutes.'

― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:41 (twenty-one years ago)

really kate?

― teeny (teeny), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish he'd come back. I miss his lj, too.

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I understand change and getting angry and stuff and it's not like I want everything to be the same all the time, but come back guys, I'm too selfish to keep quiet.

― teeny (teeny), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:46 (twenty-one years ago)

In other news esoj/surfacenoise has also left ilx.

????!!!!????

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Thread?

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:47 (twenty-one years ago)

yup, it's true I'm afraid. But I've heard from sources it's got little to do with you guys and more to do with his own personal reasons.

― E.S.P (ipsofacto), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:47 (twenty-one years ago)

ESOJ mentioned over on one of the Aussie/NZ threads that he was bowing out. He's a good feller and I hope all goes well with him.

I will miss J0hn greatly, and he knows this.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I will also be on 'reduced service' over the next three months, as I'll be in Tokyo helping set up Vice Japan and playing shows. I know Ned will be inconsolable.

― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I will be leaving between 2.30 and 3.00 this afternoon. I have to go to a meeting. Actually it might be nearer 3.10 when I get back as I may go via the canteen. Please don't worry about me...it's been great here. Until 3.10 then...love you all. Mwah xx

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 24 June 2004 12:11 (twenty-one years ago)

have some cake with yr tea Dr C. make it 3.20, no one gives a shit really.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 24 June 2004 12:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Dr C we'll miss you!

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 24 June 2004 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

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ok. haha!!!

I already asked John not to go on the other thread, but I'll add to this one too, and I'm not in any habit of doing such things either. This is just a damn shame.

― Kim (Kim), Friday, 25 June 2004 22:40 (twenty-one years ago)

momus you're being kinda... mean.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 25 June 2004 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Uh...no offense and shit...but jon, yeah...you'd probably be...like...you know...more comfortable...yeah...if you went ahead and left...yeah...I know...harsh...but...yeah...go ahead...no need to post anymore...yeah...hey...right, take it easy...yeah...sure...keep in touch...but not here...cool...

― Skottie, Saturday, 26 June 2004 01:36 (twenty-one years ago)

momus you're being kinda... mean.

I'm taking the Courtney Love line on suicide: 'Asshole!' I also see J0hn's gesture as a (somewhat melodramatic) form of self-censorship, and you know what I think about censorship. With the book's cancellation the pretext for going is removed. Everybody involved has apologised, and everybody not involved has entreated. He could still have other motives:

1. Personal reasons. Fair enough, he should stay away for a while and do other things. Posting here is not compulsory. Everyone should leave from time to time.
2. Feeling creeped out ('uncanny') about ever having posted here. Paranoid and somewhat naive, but again, everyone should take time out to consider what all this public revelation is really adding up to.
3. Punishing us for tarnishing his celebrity, or playing victim. Not very noble, deserves affectionate satire.

― Momus (Momus), Saturday, 26 June 2004 08:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Weren't you saving number 3 for your own swan song, Momus?

― Ask For Samantha (thatgirl), Saturday, 26 June 2004 08:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I AM A VICTIM OF MY OWN LUDICROUS OPINIONS! I DEMAND THAT EVERYONE WHO HAS WITNESSED THEM BE SLAIN WITH A SHARP SWORD!

― Momus (Momus), Saturday, 26 June 2004 08:57 (twenty-one years ago)

But since that is impracticable, I will now fall on my own sword. Does so, misses. Damn!

― Momus (Momus), Saturday, 26 June 2004 09:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Here, let me help you, fine fellow. I hate to see a tortured artist struggle so.

― Penelope_111 (Penelope_111), Saturday, 26 June 2004 10:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Pfft. Least tortured artist I know.

― suzy (suzy), Saturday, 26 June 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

That second point is a damned sharp sword, I must say. Thh thhh thh...

― Kim (Kim), Saturday, 26 June 2004 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Or 4., Momus: having been abruptly re-reminded that one's privacy/anonymity within the ILX community are actually very fragile things, and that the board's ever-increasing notoriety makes them ever more likely to be disturbed, J0hn reconsiders his personal decision to take part in it --- concluding, not insensibly, that the pleasure of posting doesn't quite make up for the less fortunate effects said posting might theoretically have. Which really isn't a huff or a spat: just one of those bold reminders that something you've always known to be the case really is, urgently, the case, and you stop ignoring it and take action.

Just as an example: when I started posting on this board, it consisted of a couple dozen people who posted using their real names and often their work email addresses --- in part because there seemed little danger of anyone being interested in the thing, but in larger part (I imagine) because the threads were so reasonable and friendly and free or weird or scary intrusions. Anyone who read it really would be looking at something very much like a conversation between friends, and so there was very little worry about anything. As the board grew and that sense of few-friendly-folks vanished, most people turned to using pseudonyms. Now it's grown and grown in unpredictable ways, and the dynamic is completely different; I don't think it's so odd to look in one day and be reminded that things have changed from the way they were before, and that maybe it's time to do something about that: go anonymous, not write certain things, or hop off altogether.

― nabiscothingy, Saturday, 26 June 2004 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

That's actually what I thought he meant by #2.

― Kim (Kim), Saturday, 26 June 2004 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

(That should be "free of weird or scary intrusions." Which is another way of saying that it was all well and good putting your name up there when the only thing that would follow it was Mark S telling a cute story about his sister -- as opposed to, I dunno, some troll or random poster embedding ch!ld p0rn images or saying something really ghastly. The times they have been a'changing and there's always going to be some moment where you decide to change with them.)

― nabiscothingy, Saturday, 26 June 2004 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I suppose that probably is what he meant. He just said it in such a mean way that I felt obligated to rephrase.

― nabiscothingy, Saturday, 26 June 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

The worst of it is that it's been apparent from early on (but I guess I can only speak for myself on that) that we could end up here if we left it so open, and it's depressing to see those who always argue for unrestricted freedoms pull an "oh shit" when it leads to the logical places. I'm respecting Momus a little more than usual right now, because despite being one of those, he's not shying away from the consequences. At least not yet. Even with foresight, it could be some see ilx as an organic venture that has a built in expiry date and are just waiting for their particular watermarks to be reached before they go elsewhere. Which is a valid viewpoint, sure, but it's also contrary to the inclination of people who prefer to conserve what they have. I'm not sure how much longer I'll last myself, but then again I have been saying that for some time.

― Kim (Kim), Saturday, 26 June 2004 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Personally I'll be happy to drop in here right up until it starts to bore me, though in retrospect I do wish I'd never (a) posted under my name, (b) revealed certain personal details, or (c) said certain things having to do with sensitive political issues. That's par for the course, though: I've also written plenty of things as paid work that I wish I could somehow yank out of the public sphere.

― nabiscothingy, Saturday, 26 June 2004 21:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure it was abt no1 bcz he was postign quite a bit lately, it would be a coincidence if something personal came up at the same time as the mark's bk idea.

I'm trying to think here...many of the two dozen or so posters are still using their real names and addresses (I came here in late 2001 but I've read many of the older threads). Though some (like jess or di) have changed their names for fun it seems, but their emails are still the same.

I remember seeing j0hn's actual name, then he ungoogled it, but after reading his tantrum on the other thread I've got to conclude he never really made an effort to get any kind of anon in here.

I'd like to think he'll give it a month or two, and come back under a completely diff name and addy and shuts up abt whenever the mountain goats are mentioned, or (better still) slag 'em off if another thread comes up.

But whatever really, been reading last planet a bit lately and if he keeps that going then great. Hope he doesn't shut himself off completely.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 26 June 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, for all we know he *is* still here, revelling in the freedom of posting under a different name. If so, well, go him.

― Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Sunday, 27 June 2004 05:44 (twenty-one years ago)

If it could, in some parallel world, be broken down so simply and clearly, I wonder which people here would prefer:

J0hn posts here but releases a rather weak Mountain Goats album.

J0hn stops posting here and releases an amazing record.

I'm not saying that posting necessarily has a deleterious effect on art, just a hypothesis. I'm interested to know whether people here would, forced with a choice, prefer to have J0hn as a friend or as an artist.

― Momus (Momus), Sunday, 27 June 2004 07:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't heard one second of John's music.

― oops (Oops), Sunday, 27 June 2004 08:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Nor yours, Momus!

― oops (Oops), Sunday, 27 June 2004 08:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Recently I thought "hmm I sorta like that Momus, perhaps I should buy a cd of his just to, you know, support him" but then I thought "wait, nobody who here who likes me is sending me any financial support. He's on his own."

― oops (Oops), Sunday, 27 June 2004 08:32 (twenty-one years ago)

M'wkay.

― Momus (Momus), Sunday, 27 June 2004 08:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm interested to know whether people here would, forced with a choice, prefer to have J0hn as a friend or as an artist.

Momus it would never occur to me to make that kind of distinction, having been both and having befriended both. I don't think it is a zero sum game.

― Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 27 June 2004 08:35 (twenty-one years ago)

J0hn posts here but releases a rather weak Mountain Goats album.

Whaddya mean "hypothesis"??? :)

(I kid, I kid)

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 27 June 2004 09:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Nabisco's comments make me feel really odd about using my real name now.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 27 June 2004 11:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I have heard the MGs, and bought the last single I saw by them - but really it's not my kind of thing, but I really, really like JD here.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 27 June 2004 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

"Green Onions" or "Time Is Tight"?

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 27 June 2004 12:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I was going "The MG's?" for a half second there. Sorry if that seems selfcentred, but when its your initials...

(I could just be keeping this thread going. Hey J0hn, don't go. But if you must, hey how about one last post to what the folks here have been saying?)

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 28 June 2004 07:30 (twenty-one years ago)

It took an obnoxious evil porn site to make me use an alternate name!

― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 28 June 2004 07:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that where you got your alternate name?

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 28 June 2004 08:04 (twenty-one years ago)

you'd have to read this thing called Excelsior The Book to get the full story. (if it's the right edition that is)

― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 28 June 2004 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

touché

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 07:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Nabisco's comments make me feel really odd about using my real name now.

ditto.

― toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 10:18 (twenty-one years ago)

i've stopped using my work email address ever since i realised in horror the possibility of somebody goggling my email or something and find mentions of BUKKAKE and such like.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 11:10 (twenty-one years ago)

they still can :( as there's no way to amend old posts

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 11:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Ken, your e-mail on ILX cannot be googled. Log off and see how your posts look after that.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 11:15 (twenty-one years ago)

ooooh oh yeah!

i just get paranoid the fact that i can't even pretend that the person posting here is just some other "ken c" since the posts have my work email permanantly stuck to it. at least with hotmail i can just say "yeah it was prolly some popstar from asia".. or "it was probably just john cena" or something.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 11:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know about you, but I have to click this thread each time, to see if J0hn has posted a message here. C'mon J0hn....

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 11:35 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...

Rock and roll.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 16 September 2004 11:36 (twenty-one years ago)

He's on his own forum a lot. Go say hi to him.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 16 September 2004 11:39 (twenty-one years ago)

(I have said Hi. He said Hi. It was OK)

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 16 September 2004 11:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, ok. It was kinda weird when I looked at that forum on his website. Like he has another family in another city. and i don't even know john that well. ilx-wise that is. i miss the metal talk with him on ilm. even though he was often very very wrong! :)

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 16 September 2004 11:44 (twenty-one years ago)

the thread on ayler over there wz weird.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 16 September 2004 11:45 (twenty-one years ago)

how so, julio?

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 16 September 2004 11:46 (twenty-one years ago)

oh its just that he did a thread on the boxset on ilm, had the bust up and then did a thread on the boxset over there. Just felt strange to post on both of those.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 16 September 2004 11:51 (twenty-one years ago)

it's just a rebound julio, it's not about you.

― g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Like he has another family in another city.

I know! I felt this way, too.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:07 (twenty-one years ago)

three years pass...

he never came back, did he?

― omar little, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 00:40 (eighteen years ago)

lol

― J0hn D., Tuesday, 11 March 2008 00:41 (eighteen years ago)

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