Pirate/Free radio.....dirty criminals or champions of the airwaves?

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Just wondered what other people think about unlicenced broadcasting.I have been involved in pirate radio in the UK for years,but today I had to really defend myself against someone who had a major problem with it.I understand that in the US,free radio is mainly politically based,whereas in the UK we go for underground dance music and less chatter.Is it such a bad thing?Should I really be 'locked up for a couple of years',as the chap who gave me my dressing down reckoned?

Eugene Speed (Eugene Speed), Thursday, 24 June 2004 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

What was his argument against it?

E.S.P (ipsofacto), Thursday, 24 June 2004 23:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Should you be locked up? Absolutely not. Champions of the airwaves.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Thursday, 24 June 2004 23:37 (twenty-one years ago)

His arguments against it were along these lines:

Unlicenced equipment interferes with just about everything else on the dial.This is not true,most of the rigs used by modern pirates are built using tried and tested circuits,components and test gear.I personally have built numerous transmitters in the past,ranging from 1 watt to over 400 watts output power.All checked and tuned on HP spectrum analyser.True,there are a tiny fraction of pikeys who choose to go with crap kit,but this sort of stuff usually packs up or catches fire within a few hours.

We steal listeners from 'proper' stations who spend vast amounts of money on their broadcasting licences,etc.In my view,having a broadcast licence means only one thing...you have pots of cash.It doesn't make you a good station,only the right kind of output can acheive that.We don't steal listeners from the legals,if they bothered to diversify a little and actually play what people wanted to hear,pirates would have a much harder time getting anyone to listen.

The DJ's/presenters are all criminals/jobless low-lives/drug dealers.I think someone was watching too many BBC documentaries,where all pirates are portrayed as spliff-smoking,Burberry-capped chavvers(see www.chavscum.co.uk).As the BBC would do of course,as they hate pirates the most.I wouldn't have that type of person in one of my studios,only totally reliable and trustworty people are allowed to know where the studio is,it HAS to be that way,for obvious reasons.

There were many other facets to this argument,but I never have met someone with such an absolute dislike for my 'hobby'.I even have good friends in legal radio who are quite happy to admit they listen to the pirates to see what the new music coming out is like!All those household names like John Peel,Tony Blackburn,Jonnie Walker....old hands who all started out on the 'Dark Side'!And more up to date,Judge Jules,Tim Westwood,Stu Allen....all former pirates.And where did Radio One come from.Born out of the need to rival Radio Caroline(hats off to the legendary offshore broadcasters,we are not worthy!).Surely it's like a Yin-Yang thing,one side needs the other to survive?

Eugene Speed (Eugene Speed), Friday, 25 June 2004 00:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Well I don't know, I don't think it's a huge thing here in Australia (where I'm from) but I have to say, you've made some very valid points. As far as stealing listeners go, thats a joke. Listeners follow what they want to listen to, if the commercial stations aren't offering it what do they expect?

I know if a pirate station was playing my kind of thing and no one else was I wouldn't think twice about tuning in.

E.S.P (ipsofacto), Friday, 25 June 2004 00:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Mmmm...Australia.I'm suprised that there isn't a big radio scene where you are,I imagine trying to police the airwaves in such a big country is a lot harder than it is in the UK.The British govt has always had a problem with the pirates,but President Blair really,really hates it as Labour is a serious control freak setup,and as such has just increased the budget AGAIN for OFCOM,who took over the regulation of the radio spectrum from the DTI.So we are up against it here in Blighty,I was considering going and doing my thing in Holland(nice n flat,signals travel for miles!)but apparently the Dutch govt are even worse than here!So it look like the next stop is good ol' Spain,plenty of ex-pats who don't want to listen to Spanish-speaking stations,and lots of bars and clubs to buy advertising space!

Eugene Speed (Eugene Speed), Friday, 25 June 2004 00:34 (twenty-one years ago)

In the US it's a huge deal - Clear Channel being the biggest of the bad. Clear Channel (the WalMart of the airwaves) has basically bought every single channel and...like MSNBC, etc., it is hard to get any media that is not controlled by corporate interests. I am hoping Maria will join this thread, as she is very informed on all the issues. Pirate radio in the US is truly pirate - you face massive fines and prosecution and jail time for pirating the airwaves. NPR (National Public Radio which is supposed to be sorta indy) airs "support" ads from Merck and Halliburton. Pacifica is still somewhat above the fray, but is only carried on NPR stations. it's a mess. (Maria! Weigh in!)

aimurchie, Friday, 25 June 2004 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)

The only problem I have with Pirate Radio is that it's not accountable in the way that Licensed Broadcasters theoretically are. It's mainly a non-issue, since most pirate radio stations just play dance music (though I guess they don't pay SOCAN/ASCAP/BMI/Whatever royalties, so that's kinda jerky if the pirate station is making money selling ads), and most corporate stations buy their way out of accountability.
But say some dude goes on the air illegally and starts spreading untruths or even truths, but truths that are really nobody's business. It's hard to take recourse against someone who's hiding in obscurity. The airwaves are publicly owned, and while this means that yes, the public should have better access to them than they do, it also means that anyone who takes advantage of them should be held accountable for their broadcasts.

I devote many volunteer hours a week to a community radio station (aside from merely doing my own show), and we put a lot of effort and resources into meeting our licensing requirements. So it would probably kinda piss me off if someone started a pirate station in this area. I'd probably kick him in the nutsack.

But to get down to brass tacks, I don't think pirate broadcasters should get jailtime. A small fine, sure, but come on. Still, they're hardly the bold champions of myth they purport themselves to be.

Huk-L, Friday, 25 June 2004 02:39 (twenty-one years ago)

"But say It's hard to take recourse against someone who's hiding in obscurity. The airwaves are publicly owned, and while this means that yes, the public should have better access to them than they do, it also means that anyone who takes advantage of them should be held accountable for their broadcasts."

You are not making any sense. The airwaves are being increasingly privatized. But let me take you down one step at a time:

"some dude goes on the air illegally and starts spreading untruths or even truths, but truths that are really nobody's business." Are you Rumsfeld's younger brother?
"to take recourse against someone who's hiding in obscurity"
I am going to argue this statement on First Amendment rights, because the dude who is hiding in your obscurity is exercising such. Yup. Free Speech. The airwaves are under FCC control, but are still protected by that pesky amendment.They are, still, sometimes, free.
My truth is mine - but I'm willing to share. That's what I love about democracy. I would like to hear more from you.

aimurchie, Friday, 25 June 2004 04:09 (twenty-one years ago)

"So it would probably kinda piss me off if someone started a pirate station in this area. I'd probably kick him in the nutsack"

And where would you kick a woman? Just wondering!

aimurchie, Friday, 25 June 2004 04:24 (twenty-one years ago)

There seem to be a lot of threads on ILX dealing with "who owns what" right now.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 25 June 2004 04:35 (twenty-one years ago)

So your right to spread slander overrides any other person's right to dignity and privacy?
If you're not willing to put your name and reputation behind your claims (at some level) you don't deserve to make them.
And the ACTUAL airwaves, not "KBLAB coming to you over the Cockfarmer Airwaves at 50,000 Watts" are public.
You havae a right to your free speech, but you have the corresponding responsibility to answer for said speech.

Huk-L, Friday, 25 June 2004 05:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Mmmm...Australia.I'm suprised that there isn't a big radio scene where you are,I imagine trying to police the airwaves in such a big country is a lot harder than it is in the UK.

I could be very wrong here, but we dont have pirate radio as much here (as far as I can tell) because legit community radio is thriving in this country in many cities and towns. We're not as strangled by Clear Channel type stations as the US, or govt chans like the UK. We have community radio like PBS, RRR, ZZZ, 2XXX and the like that play a very diverse mix of stuff. Even the national govt radio is bearable (JJJ), though its dregs compared to what it used to be like...

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 25 June 2004 05:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I assume Huk-l's post is not directed towards me. However, i would still like to know what you are going to do when there are no nuts to kick?

aimurchie, Friday, 25 June 2004 05:38 (twenty-one years ago)

You assume...!
Okay whatever kid. Have fun.

Huk-L, Friday, 25 June 2004 05:50 (twenty-one years ago)

The Man can't take down our music, maaaaaahn.

Talk hard!

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 25 June 2004 05:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Huks post was very squarely aimed at you, aimurchie! :/

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 25 June 2004 05:58 (twenty-one years ago)

well not the nut-kicking thing, but anyway.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 25 June 2004 05:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I am not an expert on the details (Maria!) but as it stands Clear Channel owns 70% of the market ( in one way or another). This includes obscure Christian stations as well as every modern rock station that you don't listen to. In my particular demographic, Clear Channel owns the three most popular rock stations (and controls the playlist), and now owns two A.M. stations as well. And the civic center. Clear Channel now is able to blacklist artists who won't play by the rules.
I just want to kick them in the...ass.

aimurchie, Friday, 25 June 2004 05:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Dont you have college/community radio all over the US like zits tho?

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 25 June 2004 06:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I always thort pirate radjo was a UK thing cos they have so few stations and its mostly govt run tripe from the Beeb.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 25 June 2004 06:05 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost re college radio - yeah, except you can only hear it in a couple dorms.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 25 June 2004 06:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh right, here we have community radio that tends to have decent licencing and frequency supported by listener contributions, that usually covers a large city pretty well (RRR in Melbourne is a fantastic example of this).

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 25 June 2004 06:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Mind you commercial radio here is utter bollocks as well. UTTER bollocks.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 25 June 2004 06:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Words cannot describe it.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Friday, 25 June 2004 06:09 (twenty-one years ago)

So your right to spread slander overrides any other person's right to dignity and privacy? (When did I slander you?)
If you're not willing to put your name and reputation behind your claims (at some level) (Um my email is posted on this thread, for better or worse.) you don't deserve to make them.
And the ACTUAL ( OOh the ACTUAL airwaves - thanks for the info) airwaves, not "KBLAB coming to you over the Cockfarmer Airwaves at 50,000 Watts" are public.(I was the one arguing for pirates - I see you have seen the light)
You havae a right to your free speech, but you have the corresponding responsibility to answer for said speech. (Which forum shall I choose?)

aimurchie, Friday, 25 June 2004 06:11 (twenty-one years ago)

some facts about Clear Channel (not to be confused with Coco Chanel, who was a huge fan of independently-run radio stations)

http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2004/17.html

Huk-L, Friday, 25 June 2004 06:11 (twenty-one years ago)

don't dismiss me.

aimurchie, Friday, 25 June 2004 06:21 (twenty-one years ago)

You're forgetting about the 4 Amendment, there Airmurchie.
"Congress shall make no law restricting or regulating the individual's right to ignore little kids up past their bedtimes with their heads full of sugarplum Christian Slaters dancing in a line."

Huk-L, Friday, 25 June 2004 06:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I look forward to all of your kicking of nuts as if it is a particularly unique holiday - if Slater is first i can only assume you will be second.

aimurchie, Friday, 25 June 2004 06:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I agree with the point put forward by Huk-L,pirates are unregulated and therefore COULD go blathering on about all sorts of stuff,true or untrue.Buut this is where(in the UK anyway)self regulation kicks in.Most pirates use the same TX(Transmitter)site for months,even years.Most other pirates soon know where this site is.If a certain station starts badmouthing/swearing/generally bieng a troublemaker,it won't take long for the other stations to take him off.And tell them why they got took off.Stupid behaviour attracts the DTI/OFCOM enforcement chaps,and they come round and take off the offending station.But then they take off every other station between their HQ and where they are headed.Each hit costs a station about five hundred pounds,so you can see why we dont want stupid types on air spoiling it for the rest of us!And occasionally,when the offending station has turned up at their tx site to find out what the fcuk is going on,it can be kicks in the nutsack all round!

On the subject of paying royalties to the music producers,most of what we play is pre-release dance,and stuff which was never intended to break into the charts or make huge amounts for the dude who made it.Many of my own records are white labels,how am I supposed to pay royalties to a musician if there is nothing on the label?Also,a lot of the vinyl I buy has 'Promo copy-not for resale' on it.These are sent out to DJ's and clubs,etc,just to get them played in the public domain.We used to get about 20-25 vinyls a week sent to our PO Box when we were broadcasting,that says something about how the record distributors and musicians see pirate radio,I think.

Eugene Speed (Eugene Speed), Friday, 25 June 2004 06:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, if the dance music community says it's okay...
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Huk-L, Friday, 25 June 2004 06:52 (twenty-one years ago)

In the US, under the current administration, you could be detained and considered a terrorist for broadcasting something out of the control of the FCC.

aimurchie, Friday, 25 June 2004 07:40 (twenty-one years ago)

...which is very extreme. I understand the problem with crossing frequencies. Surely they could manage this a better way - control of the actual equipment available to avoid hitting the frequencies used by emergency services and stuff.

The whole thing of Pirate radio is it is a rebellion against the way that radio has become. A protest march against establishment on the airwaves. Trying to change the way things are as they aren't good enough.

Digital may change this even more.

Classic.

___ (___), Friday, 25 June 2004 08:01 (twenty-one years ago)

And also a rebellion against the IDEA that the airwaves could - should- would be controlled. it is almost like oxygen will be the next commodity.I think that's the point of pirate radio.

aimurchie, Friday, 25 June 2004 08:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Which is why i am listening to "Hammond Song" by the Roches, taking deep breaths, and anticipating brething steadily in my fluffy bed. Thank you - good (morning) night.

aimurchie, Friday, 25 June 2004 09:25 (twenty-one years ago)

We don't steal listeners from the legals,if they bothered to diversify a little

this reminds me of what I don't like about pirate radio in the uk. It is basically all dance music.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 25 June 2004 09:38 (twenty-one years ago)

but good dance music!

dave amos, Friday, 25 June 2004 09:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Some of it, but not all!!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 25 June 2004 10:15 (twenty-one years ago)

As a former pirate, I have to say that I actually favor *some* regulation. I don't approve of the FCC's policies - it has become a puppet of ginormous corporations and has not been guarding the public interest - but some regulatory system is required. When we went on the air, we didn't have a proper filter on our transmitter and we interfered with the local air traffic control tower. The FCC promptly shut us down. Thank goodness nobody was hurt.

Maria D. (Maria D.), Friday, 25 June 2004 13:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha ha "good" dance music!

xpost

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Friday, 25 June 2004 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Christian Slater to thread.

j e r e m y (x Jeremy), Friday, 25 June 2004 13:42 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost
That said, if I were to find some technical wizards who really knew what they were doing and knew how to properly set up our equipment so it wouldn't interfere with anything else, I would probably gladly go back on the airwaves, even without a license.

Maria D. (Maria D.), Friday, 25 June 2004 13:44 (twenty-one years ago)

The BBC - no matter how much anyone might hate it - is a far more public and rational source than the US media, which is completely controlled by corporate interests. NPR (National Public Radio) and PBS (Public Broadcasting) air the BBC as the alternative to our networks.
I am also very outraged because of a report on Salon.com (I am lame and don't know how to send a link - but I tried)about how Rush Limbaugh is aired on American Forces Radio every day. There is now a debate in Congress about it - but for the past few years, it has been ok for the content of AFR to be all right wing propaganda ( Limbaugh famously called the prison abuses at Abu Ghraib a 'fraternity prank'). And - um - if those signals are being received by the soldiers they are probably being received by the citizens of Iraq.
So....go pirates. The US administration demonizes Al Jazeera ( a very reliable source of news) and allows Rush Limbaugh to be on the air, all day every day, in Iraq. This is not a good way to win the "hearts and minds" of anyone. I will try to link the two articles to this thread.

aimurchie, Friday, 25 June 2004 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/06/24/forces_radio/index.html

OK - I managed to get the link. (Applause, please). I am not very savvy about these things - but I always learn .From you Huk-L indeed. plus, I am going to cut my arm off and become a true pirate - Captain Hanger - and I will drive around interrupting ground signals. AAARGH! The pirates life is the life for me!

aimurchie, Friday, 25 June 2004 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

http://home.comcast.net/~saellow/Nordicskillz.mp3

AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

That's wonderful, but I must reference King Crimson - "I repeat myself while under stress. I repeat myself while under stress. I repeat myself whhile under stredd

aimurchie, Friday, 25 June 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

That's wonderful, but I must reference King Crimson - "I repeat myself while under stress. I repeat myself while under stress. I repeat myself while under stress"

aimurchie, Friday, 25 June 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Maria,what sort of kit do you use in the US?Sounds like you have had experience of what we in the UK call a 'sproggy' transmitter!I'd imagine you use a lot of the same components,as I order a lot of my output transistors from your side of the pond,they are cheaper and I don't get asked too many questions!

E-mail me as I'd love to discuss some stuff with you that we have used to good effect here.I have lots of good stuff I could share with you that may help you get the clean signal you need to keep the feds off your back,and some trick link systems that can protect your studio from raids.I have not had the pleasure of chatting about pirating in the US,I look forward to hearing from you!

Pashmina,you are right,it is all mainly dance music.But there are now so many offshoots of dance music that there is diversity galore just within that 'Dance' label that is put on our type of music.I wish there were more stations trying to cater for more audiences,there must be a market for them out there.But we have had a few rock/real music stations crop up,they try very hard but don't get very far.I think it must have something to do with the massive availability of dance music on vinyl,and the standard pirate essentials,the Technics SL1200 turntable.It's the whole DJ mixing thing that seems to be the mainstay of UK pirates,the rock stations didn't quite know how to present their shows and keep the audience entertained.And to be honest,I don't think I could have done any better if I had been in their shoes!

Eugene Speed (Eugene Speed), Friday, 25 June 2004 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Um, I would've thought Cox Communications would've been a much bigger threat to radio ownership diversity than Clear Channel ever could be, mainly because we have like three Clear Channel-owned stations in town (and this is Clear Channel international headquarters!) but like eight or so Cox Communications stations, all of whom suck MUCH more than any of the Clear Channel stations do.

Oh yeah, and as someone who actually appreciates the fact that we've been getting decent acts to tour our city over the past ten years or so, I do have to say that I kinda feel like I should always try to be protective of Clear Channel, even if it's only because of selfish locally-based interests. I mean, if this place wasn't Clear Channel headquarters, do you think half of the artists who come through here would have thought to do so? I seriously do not think so. Clear Channel seems to me to be most of the reason why we're not roundly ignored, why we seem to do pretty well in terms of entertainment locally, and this company pumps a lot of money into the local economy, which I'm grateful for.

But yeah, pirate radio, yay, rah rah rah, etc. (BTW, we have about five or so local stations that are owned by just one person, so it is possible to have that sort of thing happen. Yes, even in the U.S. of A.)

Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Saturday, 26 June 2004 07:28 (twenty-one years ago)

(Note: I will probably be staring at this post, wondering why on Earth I made it, when I wake up in the morning. Just to let you know. Maybe I should throw in a preemptive apology just in case it inspires any bloodcurdling screams or thoughts of homicide. Yeah. That would be a good idea. I'm sorry my current life circumstances dictate that in order for me to encourage one of the few positive aspects of my life, i.e. the high entertainment and economic growth in my area, I must defend Clear Channel against those who wish to destroy it.)

Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Saturday, 26 June 2004 07:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Clear Channel actually controls less than 10% of the radio licenses in America. They make that 10% work really hard for them, though, with those licenses clustered in the largest cities. Eric B's salon article started the much-repeated factoid that CC controls 60% of rock radio listening, but he did not site a source--it is impossible for him to know total rock-radio listening since not every single community is surveyed by Arbitron. At best, he is citing the combined data from all rated markets (there are 287). And what does that 60% refer to? The total amount of rock radio listening by all listeners, with the 60% being the percentage of time spent with CC rock stations? The number of CC rock stations listened to as a percentage of rock stations in the market? Sloppy reporting and hysteria does nobody any good.

I'm not a big fan of media consolidation, but neither am a big fan of government-funded/controlled media. The BBC does it right, but it's very easy to get it wrong.

teeny (teeny), Saturday, 26 June 2004 15:00 (twenty-one years ago)


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