ILX writers - tips for getting over writer's block

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Do you need to be in a room with natural light and shit? Spit into a corner? Go for walks?

I need to reawaken the muse even if I have to slap her.

Self-conscious regular, Friday, 25 June 2004 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Get involved in something else.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I am seriously worried about my cognitive function. Almost every word I write looks alien or mispelt. I can't think for shit and I have to keep looking in the dictionary to reassure myself I've used the correct spelling/word. Does this every happen to anyone?

I need a holiday, I think.

Penelope_111 (Penelope_111), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

um....if it's magazine writing (like an article or review or something)....I find it helpful to make a very very very detail outline (basically writing the whole thing out point by point in summary)...that way I always know what's supposed to come next, it prevents you from copping out with the "man I don't know where to go with this" bit..

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

This happens to me a lot.

xpost

AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

reading bad poetry about people fucking you - C/D?

People love Gravity and Ebullition! (ex machina), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

It usually takes me about 30 minutes to write an average length article, but I need about 5 hours of build-up pacing, smoking and AVOIDING.

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Don’t try to write your final draft on the first try. Just start writing wherever it is easiest to begin, and say whatever you feel like saying. I find that my tangents usually evolve into something more professional and I revise them out later.

Laura E (laurae55), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Read this. Giggle. Start writing once the tension subsides.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah you have to keep hacking at whatever comes, no matter how unrelated.

g--ff (gcannon), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I like this one better, it cracks me up because
http://www.newcomicreviews.com/temp/spidey/spidey18.jpg

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

It usually takes me about 30 minutes to write an average length article, but I need about 5 hours of build-up pacing, smoking and AVOIDING.

this is all too OTM.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

My guess is that it's one of those things, like writing in general, that's just gonna be different for everyone. And for me, "writer's block right now" (like, a day when nothing's coming together, or it all feels plastic), "writer's block for THIS" (a specific project isn't working, or after I start it I just have no idea what to do with it) and "writer's block FOREVER" (oh no I'll never write again oh no) have all been very different things.

I keep what I think of as a moving-puzzle schedule. Those puzzle things, they're a 4x4 square or what have you, missing one piece so you can shift the others around? I write six days a week. Five of them I write both in the morning and the evening; Saturdays, I write in the afternoon and night, because my girlfriend and I go out Saturday mornings.

I have a schedule figured out that gets all of my in-progress projects done by a specific date, along with a handful of days where nonspecific work is scheduled: getting ahead on my column, writing a short story, making up for lost time, whatever I feel like doing. Although I schedule specific work for each day, my deadlines are weekly: such-and-such amount of words by the end of every Saturday. If I end up getting twice as much work done on a Tuesday, and want to take Wednesday off? So be it.

I can shift those days around, is what I mean by the puzzle comparison: if my inertia's still strong from working on the novel on Monday, and I don't want to work on the column on Tuesday, then I just push the pieces around and switch a novel day and a column day. If I feel like I'm still working something out for all of my ongoing projects, then I move things around and make it a "free writing" day.

I didn't always work that way, but when I started doing so, I realized that I was getting twice as much done. The tradeoff has been that I have fewer spur-of-the-moment things I write, but that may be mostly because I'm working on novels and don't write as many short stories anymore.

So the way I deal with writer's block, of the first and second types, is to write something else, basically, or take the day off and write the next day instead. I have days when all I get done is 100 words (this is 100 words of novel, which is less than 100 words of article; I have no idea what you write), but writing a hundred still keeps me from getting hung up on the idea of "being blocked."

When I have to, I keep telling myself: no one gets "customer service block," no one gets "professor's block," no one gets "doctor's block." They just have days when they don't like work. Maybe they call in sick, maybe they do a bad job, but they don't make a big thing out of it. It isn't magic, it's just work.

(And specifically with novels: I can avoid most of the false starts by not writing chapter 1 until I know what happens in chapter 4. Nanowrimo's an exception.)

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Slightly different question:
How do you justify to friends and family taking time to write and perform all the crazy rituals that go along with writing that don't necessarily involve sitting down and typing?
I suppose I should disconnect my phone and not answer the door or something, but I find it's hard to give that time to myself, esp. since as a purely mechanical act, it's no different from most of the other work that I do. And also, there aren't really impressive tangible results.
Like, (if I had a car) if I was going to spend a Saturday rebuilding my engin block, no one would question that. But, uh, I'm not sure I'm articulating this very well.

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Honestly? I point to my contracts. It's more than vaguely assholish, but I'm just coming out of my twenties, so pretty much everyone I know has at one point wanted to be a writer. If I'm getting it done and getting paid, I figure I've got a God-given right to elephant buggery and three-foot cigars if that's what my Muse is after.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:47 (twenty-one years ago)

just think again of
who your audience will be;
then start all over

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

(The extension of that is: there isn't anyone I need to explain things to, cause they all know that if I say "not today, I'm working" or "don't talk for five minutes, I'm working," I mean it. And I give good Christmas presents to make up for it.)

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Good question, Huck. How do people who live with their partners (Tep?) find the time/space to write? Even if said partner is ALSO a writer, which is true in my case, Tep's too maybe? I can't remember.

AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Tep,
1,000 word posts on how to conquer writer's block = classic

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, well, when it's your full-time gig, or at least profitable, it's a lot easier.
But like, especially with my comedy stuff, I find I constantly have to defend the amount of time I devote to writing and processing information and mulling over. I'm getting better at it, even turning down better paying (in the short-term) stuff to concentrate on what I want to do.
The shitty thing is that I know the comedy thing will hit the ceiling a lot faster than my quasi-journalism thing has, unless I move to a better place. Like heaven.

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Move to California.

AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

You know what's a better comedy city? CHICAGO.

St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

LA

AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

You can get your own sitcom!

AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

It wasn't that long!

Good question, Huck. How do people who live with their partners (Tep?) find the time/space to write? Even if said partner is ALSO a writer, which is true in my case, Tep's too maybe? I can't remember.

We have separate offices -- mine is also the living room, which was occasionally inconvenient (when we moved in, we thought we were going to have one more room than we ended up with, because we had looked at the wrong floor plan) until we bought a cheap TV to put in her office.

She doesn't write, but she's a graduate student, so she has a comparable amount of "I need to focus on this by myself" time, especially since her work is so language-intensive and she's a more diligent student than I ever could be. That certainly helps, but I've been in that same position before, so someone's ... affection-hunger (which sounds weird, but is more accurate than "maintenance level") ... has a large effect too. Both of my long-term exes, it simply wouldn't have worked for me to spend this much time writing, and that's undoubtedly a factor in why I didn't.

xpost again; it was much harder for me to really defend writing as more than a hobby before I was paid for it. I'm not sure the best way to do it, exactly, except that it's important to make it clear that it isn't like making a model space shuttle, where you can sit down to it any time and know exactly which piece goes next. On the other hand, writers are prone to a lot of procrastinating techniques, and it can be good to make sure they're all strictly necessary.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

So the way I deal with writer's block ... is to write something else, basically, or take the day off and write the next day instead.

I don't write nearly as much fiction as I used to, and I hardly ever write non-fiction, but this is the way I deal with songwriting. If nothing's coming together on a new song, I will work on recording or programming a finished song, or I'll work on another embryonic song if there's another idea floating around somewhere (and there usually is at least one other one).

When I was still writing screenplays regularly, I'd watch films to identify writing structures when I was blocked up. It takes a different kind of focus to watch (or listen) paying attention to specific structural elements, but it can be rewarding. It helps me get back into the mindset of looking at writing as a series of short steps rather than one long distance. Nine times out of ten my writer's block is caused by that overwhelming don't-know-where-to-start feeling because the task I want to accomplish seems too daunting.

martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 25 June 2004 18:02 (twenty-one years ago)

the sad irony is that I'm totally using this thread to stall finishing an article I should have had done two days ago. I actually have the last paragraph done, I'm just trying to work around the the last bit of the middle part. I hate writing about art. Art Art. Because I'm clueless. It's not a critical piece, but I'm still certain I'll write something that will expose me as an utter asshole.

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Friday, 25 June 2004 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

This might sound counterintuitive but I think the only way to conquer writer's block is to write yourself out of it. Learning how to write on deadline every day made me realize that if you just keep writing writing writing, even if something seems terribly shitty or off the mark or whatever, eventually you're going to click into a groove (which invariably is a function of your deadline). The value of writing every single day, whether you feel like it or not, is not to be underestimated.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Friday, 25 June 2004 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)

if you just keep writing writing writing, even if something seems terribly shitty or off the mark or whatever, eventually you're going to click into a groove

A lot of the stuff I write (short stories in particular) starts out as enforced continuous writing. After I'm done writing that first "draft," I go back to the place where I started feeling like I had direction and purpose, and I just chop off everything before that and trash it.

martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 25 June 2004 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Whew, finished, and I'm pretty happy with it.

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Friday, 25 June 2004 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

After 7 orgasms and the next full moon, you WILL write again.

Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Friday, 25 June 2004 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, tonight I'm planning on finally going through the tape of my last comedy performance (june 7!) and annotating and reworking and drinking beer and stuff. So it's not composing, but it's writing. Writing-esque. But it's enjoyable.

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Friday, 25 June 2004 18:37 (twenty-one years ago)

send me a tape!

AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I read.

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 25 June 2004 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah, I just realized -- as I did exactly this -- the other thing I do for block: I cook. It's something that keeps me ... creative ... but keeps a lot of space free for thinking through things. And a lot of times I end up ranting or rambling to myself about cooking -- my 2004 Christmas cookbook giveaway will probably be called "Fuck the Mother Sauces" -- which is useful, too.

Painting used to work the same way, but that was before I moved into an apartment where I'm not allowed to risk splattering paint on the walls, furniture, carpet, &c., which means I paint more carefully now, and it doesn't work as well.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 25 June 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I do that too, when I'm working at home. I find something like cooking or doing the dishes or cleaning the bathroom to do and just allow my mind to clear.
Obviously, it wouldn't reflect well on me if I got up from workstation at the office here and went to scrub the toilets. It might give the bosses the wrong idea.

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Friday, 25 June 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

workstation!

AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)

it's not a desk

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Friday, 25 June 2004 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

http://cc.ysu.edu/eohs/bulletins/workstation.gif

AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

let me get my protracter out and measure my---hey, where the fuck is my footstool?

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Friday, 25 June 2004 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

When I was writing my thesis I took a MINIMUM of four naps a day. No kidding. Whenever I finished a small section or got stuck on something, I set the alarm, got into bed, and slept for a half-hour or so. Something about being semi-unconscious was very restful and good for un-blocking.

My apartment was never so clean as when I was writing. I procrastinated with housekeeping.

quincie, Friday, 25 June 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey Quincie, how's the bedrest?

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Friday, 25 June 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Postponed until September. Like hell I'm gonna bedrest during the summer!

But thank you for asking!

Ha ha ha I found out that I'm going to get a temporary handicapped parking permit. So anyone who wants to come to DC can borrow my car and park wherever the hell they want!

quincie, Friday, 25 June 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

You can park UP DICK CHENEY'S ASS!!!

quincie, Friday, 25 June 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that's good news.
xpost

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Friday, 25 June 2004 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

So THAT'S what's up Cheney's ass.

St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Friday, 25 June 2004 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

A CAR

AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

We just got an interesting book in at work "The Midnight Disease"-Alice Flattery about the psychology of writer's block. Not practical advice but may be interesting.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 25 June 2004 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

drugs help

donna (donna), Friday, 25 June 2004 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

seven months pass...
Revive. Vaguelly coming out of a two-month slump.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 11:28 (twenty-one years ago)

For me it's having the time and concentration to do it. I've got a great idea for a book but it's the actual sitting down and cracking on with it that's the problem.
For a while I had a spurt of writing articles to my blog, Stylus and to ILX but it only lasted a few months and now I just can't find the time.
The other problem is that although I have all the ideas in my head, as soon as I do sit down my mind goes blank...

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 12:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Opposite for me, my ideas have just dried up. The only good ideas I have tend to be when I'm lying in bed half-asleep at night.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 12:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Keep a small notepad on you at all times - put it on your bedside table when you go to bed, scrawl on it when you're stoned or drunk, when you're walking home, when you're on the bog. Every time event he most bizarre or unconventional thought enters your head, you can record it.

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess I'm in Huk-El's camp.

Pretty much everything I've ever written had been written in the hour or half-hour before it was due. Deadline urgency always manages to produce the freshest and best writing I can do. I'm ten years into a career of getting away with it, so I fear I'll never be able to develop better habits. Unfortunately, I keep getting away with it.

The downside is that if I have no deadline, or six months to do something huge, I cannot muster the same kind of urgency artificially.

Also I like what Tep said about how no accountants don't get accountant's block (or whatever).

The notion of writing as some kind of priesthood irks me, and I think it's part of what blocks people: the idea that they're doing something sacred and it needs to all come out as finished poetry, when really, you get further by just saying what you mean, quickly and clearly.

The Mad Puffin, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

A couple of weeks ago, I was banging my head on a wicked case of writer's block. But it wasn't really "writer's block" - it was a case where, like Tep said, I just wasn't doing my job well. It felt like I was trying to open a stubborn pickle jar. I overcame it by just doing it, and redoing it, which is probably not the best advice, depending on your temperment - me, I'm super lazy, and always subconsciously looking for some reason / excuse to get away from the desk & do something else. Also, I hadn't "written" (for publication in a venue that wasn't my own or where I wasn't my own boss) in a long, long time, so the muscles were kind of stiff, and I NEEDED to force myself to write in order to get writing. (For the record, the results weren't all too great, in my eyes - I bust my own balls so rudely - but it got to the point where getting this assignment done & moving on was more important than turning into an anal perfectionist and living in fear of failure.)

I've been writing a little bit every day for the past couple of weeks, and I think I'm getting back into shape, which will hopefully curtail future bouts with inadequacy or ineptitude or other self-inflicted speed bumps. At the very least, I hope it'll become enough of a routine that I'll just do the reps even if I'm not really feeling it.

If all else fails, I end up doing the "oh shit gotta write" deadline-pinchign thing that's been mentioned by other lovable inveterate slackers on Le Thread. It's how I skated through high school, after all.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)


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