lewd and lascivious battery: Teacher charged with having sex with 14-year-old student

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TAMPA, Florida (AP) -- A 23-year-old middle-school teacher was charged with having sex with a 14-year-old student in a classroom, at her apartment and, once, in a vehicle while the teen's 15-year-old cousin drove.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/06/29/teacher.sex.ap/index.html

I realize it's a double standard, but I don't get as outraged when the "victim" is a boy and the perp looks like this teacher. I suppose I should. Obv., the woman is unhinged and a nut. If she'd do this, what else would she do. But I don't think the boy will be scarred for life.

Skottie, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

the young lad - got an education ! with extra lessons

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Unless she bit his cock off.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

And why is that? Is it the perceived notion being "wor you lucky lad" ?

(xpost, guess so)

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

His ego might be so big he's scarred for a few years.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, I never knew Miss MacKenzie was so hott!

My New Identity (kate), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

im not sure how i feel about this.

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan Savage to thread.

Vic Fluro, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I imagine that having people find out about this did more harm than the actual act. Still, she's a nut.

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Florida further solidifies its grip on the title of Capital of Weird.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)

i wonder if she offered to buy him a he-man figure he got anal.

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)

What you mean like saying "it's called Masters of the Universe you bitch! He-Man's the main protagonist - duhh!"

de, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

This boy was almost certainly the happiest person in the world for quite some time.

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

.. and then?

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Look, it's the same if it had been a girl, can't you see? A 14 year old girl having sex with her teacher, the happiest girl in the school. Until the shit hits the fan. Then?

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Nice to see the double standard in full effect there chaps. Keep up the good work etc.

Ricardo (RickyT), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Then he was told by the police that he couldn't have sex with her any more.

In what possible context is the 14 year old pissed off by this? Has he been expelled? Perhaps he's being forced to have counselling or something.

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe this sort of thing isn't always the end of the world. 14-year-olds want sex w/ each other after all.

Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

perhaps he's been forced to be the kid that had sex with his teacher. OK so he's probably been protected off CNN, but the news will be public domain in his school/town etc.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

The double standard is acknowledged in the original question. The question is, why is there a double standard. Is it actually different when the genders are switched?

Skottie, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Because girls don't like sex so therefore if a girl ever has sex she must either be a slut or a virgin and either way she has been taken advantage of by wicked evil men.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

hahahahahaha

Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, and most of the blokes on here are going "wor she's hot" and all that.

The basic scenario is that the teacher is abusing her position to do this with a child of her choosing. My opinion is that there is actually no difference. But people are more likely to think that a girl has had her innocence removed while a boy has been made a man.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think it IS actually different, at core. When it comes down to it, someone in a position of responsibility has abused that position, and a 14 year old has shagged a teacher. It might not be the end of the world, but it's not a good thing either. The only reason the it's seen as different when the genders are reversed is because we live in a patriarchy, natch.

Or what Nick says.

Ricardo (RickyT), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, is it a case of, when a man pressures a girl for sex, she has limited power based on her minority and the unequal powerdistribution--so it's (statutory) rape.(?) As it should be, I think. But with a boy and a woman, does the law say, boys and girls must be treated equally under the law, therefore, it's statutory rape when the minor is a boy, or is it because it's equally damaging in reality?

Skottie, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

She looks a lot like my high school history teacher. The one that my friend's brother was sleeping with when I was in her class.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't get you, surely the limited power applies in both situations?

Ricardo (RickyT), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I think there's an unspoken understanding that a 14 year old boy is more liekly to be able to physically defend himself from a predatory female attacker than a 14 year old girl from a male attacker. Therefore the spectre of force comes into it when a girl is involved in a way that it simply doesn't when it's a boy.

Also, it's a truism that EVERY 14 YEAR OLD BOY IN THE WORLD is perpetually horny. There is quite literally nothing they would want more than sex with a hott teacher. I'm not in a position to say if the same's true for girls.

(xx-post)

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

She is sort of hot in a Sweet Valley Twins sort of way (she does have a twin, right?).

And yeah, it is equally damaging, though not in the same way. It's still an authority figure taking advantage. What about same-sex student-teacher liaisons?

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, the person with the position of responsibilty has abused it, no doubt about it. But the sexual nature of the abuse is the real question here. If they had been hanging out drinking beer together, that would have been both illegal and an abuse of the position, but it wouldn't have been rape. My question is about the admittedly double standard of the sexual relationships.

Skottie, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Gays are gross therefore if gays have sex it must be gross.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Only have sex if u r married.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Mark, the law has nothing to do with physical defence, it's there to prevent emotional coercion.

Ricardo (RickyT), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

lewd & lascivious question: do you think the kid was popular or wierd?

g--ff (gcannon), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Popular.

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Presumably it comes down the the individual. A mature and confident 14-year-old, exposed to sex and everything about it through friends, media, family, whatever, may be perfectly able to cope with this kind of sexual encounter. And vice versa.

x-post to Ricky - yes, I agree, but I was trying to demonstrate why there are double standards. On an absolute level, force or the threat of it is a far bigger issue in the man/girl pairing than the other way round, which obv affects the emotional coercion aspect too.

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

As it's statutory rape, the position regarding 'consent' doesn't arise. Which is misleading in a way, as the idea that a child (perjorative term I know, but as opposed to the teacher) might 'fancy it a bit' could well apply either sex way around.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

if you shake hands with a gay, you get teh hiv!!!!!

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The teen told investigators that he and Lafave got to know each other during a class trip last month

= unpopular

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Taking his age out of the equation for a sec, a teacher shagging a student is totally against the rules, full stop.

Madchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

A kid I was at school w/ had a pretty intense same sex liason w/a physics teacher. He even admitted such in his "friends reunited" spiel, but he changed it pretty quickly, dang. In retrospec, I feel pretty jealous, but jealous of the phys teacher b/c my ex school friend was hawt & somewhat closteted at the time. If only I'd known!!

P*s*m*n* (Pashmina), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

There is quite literally nothing they would want more than sex with a hott teacher.

Dude I'm in high school and I'm weirded out by the thought of having sex with any of my teachers, even the "hott" ones.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I was totally not ready for sex at 14.

Jon will u shake my hand plz k thx bye.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

As it's statutory rape, the position regarding 'consent' doesn't arise. True. But in practical terms, it's more difficult to force a boy or a man to have (heterosexual) sex when he doesn't want to than it is a girl or a woman.

Skottie, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Not if he's a horny 13 year old.

Ricardo (RickyT), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Fair dos, Curtis. There's also the question of how one would react if the fantasy ever became a possibility. I certainly never got there.

x-post, again - RickyT and Skottie have just summed up what I'm trying to say.

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

A teacher at my high school was allowed to quit, quietly, for sleeping with an 11th grader

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In Marion County, authorities say
Lafave had sex with the student in the
back of her sport utility vehicle while
the cousin drove them around the
Ocala area.

ewwwwww

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

we were talking about this, once.

crossposts

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, but what if they *want* it? It's still illegal/wrong.

A 14 year old horny boy = world to be protected from him
A 14 year old horny girl = girl needs to be protected from world.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Spittle OTM.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 1 July 2004 08:42 (twenty-one years ago)

If, as some people have suggested, this kid was the happiest guy in town, why are charges being pressed? If he really was so happy with the situation, then surely he'd keep it to himself (the ramifications of exposure being completely obvious).

andrew have you heard the story about the guy who was shipwrecked on an island with the most beautiful girl in the world?

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 1 July 2004 09:03 (twenty-one years ago)

No, carry on.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 1 July 2004 09:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe it isn't necessary for her to be in prison for what has happened, but - this is more than a case of statutory rape. It's more than just her breaking a "clear and explicit rule", too: if she is guilty, and if the statement that "she was attracted to him because having sex with him was not allowed" and then acted upon this attraction is true, then she was knowingly and wilfully breaking a law designed for the protection of the children she teaches and is responsible for. It doesn't matter if neither of them are emotionally harmed by the relationship, if the teacher doesn't show overt favouritism (or, if the relationship were broken off, doesn't artificially harm the learning environment of the pupil). It still cannot and must not happen.

Being attracted? Fine. Being attracted because the pupil is forbidden? Perfectly fine. Acting on that attraction while the pupil is under your care? Wrong.

(but, then, I think teacher-student relationships at any age are highly, highly dubious. as are lecturer-TA relationships. and CO-subordinate relationships in a chain-of-command situation.)

xpost: do tell, Ken.

cis (cis), Thursday, 1 July 2004 09:20 (twenty-one years ago)

A young single guy on a cruise ship is having the time
of his life. On the second day of the cruise, the ship
slams into an iceberg and begins to sink. Passengers
around him are screaming, flailing, and drowning, but
our guy manages to grab on to a piece of driftwood and,
using every last ounce of strength, swims a few miles
through the shark-infested sea to a remote island.

Sprawled on the shore nearly passed out from exhaustion,
he turns his head and sees a woman lying near him, who
had also managed to survive this far, but she was
unconscious and barely breathing. He makes his way to
her, and with some mouth-to-mouth assistance he manages
to get her breathing and conscious again. She looks up
at him, wide-eyed and grateful and says, "My God, you
saved my life!" He suddenly realizes the woman is
Natalie Porter!

Days and weeks go by. Natalie and our guy are living on
the island together. They've set up a hut, there's
fruit on the trees, and they're in heaven. Natalie's
fallen madly in love with our man, and they're making
passionate love morning, noon and night. True Heaven
on earth in the man's eyes. Alas, one day she notices
he's looking kind of glum.

"What's the matter, sweetheart?" she asks. "We have a
wonderful life together and I'm in love with you."
"Is there something wrong? Is there anything I can do?"

He says, "Actually, Natalie, there is. Would you mind,
putting on my shirt?"
"Sure," she says," if it'll help."
He takes off his shirt and she puts it on. "Now would
you put on my pants?" he asks. "Sure, honey, if it's
really going to make you feel better," she says. "Okay,
would you put on my hat now, and draw a little
mustache on your face?" he asks. "Whatever you want,
sweetie," she says, and does.

Then he says, "Now, would you start walking around the
edge of the island?" She starts walking around the
perimeter of the island. He sets off in the other
direction.

They meet up half way around the island a few minutes
later. He rushes up to her, grabs her by the shoulders,
and says, "Dude! You'll never believe who I'm
sleeping with!"

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 1 July 2004 10:28 (twenty-one years ago)

BWAHAHAHA!!!

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 1 July 2004 10:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Not heared that one before (was expecting other than this)... ray!

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 1 July 2004 10:40 (twenty-one years ago)

first person to find a picture of a lewd and lascivious AA battery wins a prize.

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 1 July 2004 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Your search - sexy duracell - did not match any documents.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 1 July 2004 11:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Sploogebob Carpants

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Thursday, 1 July 2004 11:22 (twenty-one years ago)

er is natalie porter natalie portman? if not, who is natalie porter, besides being the most beautiful girl in the world?

ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 1 July 2004 11:50 (twenty-one years ago)

haha that's who i meant.. i had to quickly change it cos it was Cindy Crawford before. erk.

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 1 July 2004 11:51 (twenty-one years ago)

natalie porter is the testtube cloning blah blah daughter of natalie portman and gail porter

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 1 July 2004 11:52 (twenty-one years ago)

weird. i thought was the most beautiful girl in the world

ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 1 July 2004 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

hahah i thought

ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 1 July 2004 12:35 (twenty-one years ago)

bollocks! well, there goes my diane kruger joke

ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 1 July 2004 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

haha, you need to do the new ihttp thingie.

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 1 July 2004 12:37 (twenty-one years ago)

but there's a huge qualitative difference between having consensual sex with a 14-year-old and, say, pedophilia or rape.

I disagree with you spittle. and as for the 16girl 25man relationship you describe, I think that's highly questionable as well. If I knew a student of mine was involved in such a relationship I would certainly report it to authorties.

Ask For Samantha (thatgirl), Thursday, 1 July 2004 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

In Britain sex with 16 year olds is legal.

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 1 July 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

At that age, kids aren't mature. Not as mature as the adults getting involved in such hypothetical situations. (of course I realize a generalization but it is one that's true more often than not) Most adults wouldnot think of getting involved with teenagers so I belive those that do have suspect motives.

Ask For Samantha (thatgirl), Thursday, 1 July 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

but there's a huge qualitative difference between having consensual sex with a 14-year-old and, say, pedophilia or rape.

I get what you're trying to say here, but the point is that legally there is no such thing as consensual sex with a 14-year-old.

martin m. (mushrush), Thursday, 1 July 2004 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Legally.

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Yeah, I said "legally."

martin m. (mushrush), Thursday, 1 July 2004 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG THIS IS SO FUNNY YOU GUYS ARE SUCH JOKERS THIS IS THE HILARIOUS OMG CRIMES ARE HILARIOUS

Be Sure To Roop, Roop, Roop !!!! (deangulberry), Thursday, 1 July 2004 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

When did I make a joke?

martin m. (mushrush), Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

i thought age of concent was 16 mark?

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:09 (twenty-one years ago)

martin you have to remember be sure to roop roop roop doesn't really know how humour works

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
AP A middle school teacher was arrested after police said he showed up at school drunk, asked one of his students to fetch cognac, then fondled a student and made a sexual remark to another.

The teacher, Sterling Johnson, was charged with misdemeanor assault and a misdemeanor count of disturbing the peace. The school system will seek to have him fired, said Creg Williams, superintendent of public schools in St. Louis.

Johnson, 55, is an industrial arts teacher at the Pruitt Military Academy, a magnet school in the district.

After arriving at school Monday morning, police said Johnson asked a student to retrieve a bag containing a bottle of cognac from his car. Police then said Johnson rubbed the buttocks and thigh of a 13-year-old girl and directed a sexual remark at another 13-year-old girl.

The principal ordered the teacher, who has been teaching for 22 years, to leave after becoming aware of his behavior, police said. Johnson complied but returned a short time later and was arrested. Williams said a hidden bottle of liquor was found in Johnson's classroom.

Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 10:41 (twenty years ago)

One of those students, the first year I had him

WHY HAS NOONE PICKED UP ON THIS BEFORE!

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 13:12 (twenty years ago)

Noone did, but sadly no-one listens to the Hermann's Hermits any more, so the message didn't get very far.

JTS (JTS), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:16 (twenty years ago)

asked one of his students to fetch cognac

Where was a middle school student going to get this?

JW (ex machina), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:18 (twenty years ago)

I kept mine in my thermos.

Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:19 (twenty years ago)

hi dere st louis city public schools.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:19 (twenty years ago)

the cognac was in the teacher's car, btw.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:21 (twenty years ago)

STERLING JOHNSON

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:25 (twenty years ago)

STERLING JOHNSON

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:34 (twenty years ago)

i think probably the boy is likely to be far less damaged by this than the adult teacher.

danny invincible (michael w.), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:37 (twenty years ago)

What are industrial arts?

Cathy (Cathy), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:40 (twenty years ago)

shop class

Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:41 (twenty years ago)

woodwork?

Cathy (Cathy), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:51 (twenty years ago)

when I was at school actually we called woodwork "resistant materials" which is even more bizarre.

Cathy (Cathy), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:53 (twenty years ago)

Hmmm woodwork is involved I think but there's also some basic metal-involved stuff too, I think.

Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:55 (twenty years ago)

OH, it sounds like wood AND metal were involved.
STERLING JOHNSON

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 19:04 (twenty years ago)

YES WE SEE

Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 19:06 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

apparently this kid died

gfunkboy (history mayne), Thursday, 11 March 2010 15:22 (sixteen years ago)

of high-fiving

paul shart: mall plop (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 11 March 2010 15:25 (sixteen years ago)

(that joke was on SNL, btw)

paul shart: mall plop (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 11 March 2010 15:25 (sixteen years ago)

one year passes...

several teacher "sex scandals" breaking in la recently, this one involving female teacher/teen boys. predictable reactions when this happens "i'd hit it" and "these dudes aren't victims" to be found in comment section (and in this thread even).

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/02/teacher-roosevelt-high-school-arrested.html

buzza, Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:54 (fourteen years ago)

Disappointed "niiiiiice" isn't among the reactions tbh

HO WBEAUTIFUL IS THE GENTLYFALLINGBLOOD? (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:57 (fourteen years ago)

two years pass...

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Delaware-English-Teacher-Sex-257004511.html

find this sad more than anything else. i have it on good authority (ok, my gf, who's met her) that the accused was an unconfident, quiet, fairly childlike young lady, unable to establish mutual emotional bonds with adults. i.e. a fucked-up childhood led to a projection of her need for physical affection onto a child. people in this situation need proper mental healthcare and (on the same authority) a friend transplant, not prison.

a 22 year-old paedophile is a weird thing to think about really

like i say, sad. especially for the kid. buzza otm just there

imago, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 00:02 (twelve years ago)


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