Raw Food - Dud or Dude?

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there's a restaurant next door to where i work called Gratitude that serves Organic Vegan Live Raw food. it fucking makes me sick just thinking about it. there's all these crunchy yuppies inside with dreadlocks and prada birkenstocks drinking their 6$ smoothies. every time i walk by it, it smells like they just cut the lawn.

i want to go by and throw a ham grenade inside

JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 19:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

some raw food i've had has been amazing, some has been shit. perhaps we should rephrase the question: people who patronise raw food restaurants - dud or dude? they seem to be the real problem.

lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 19:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

YOU'RE THE PROBLEM!!

JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 19:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

God gave us fire for a reason, fucking yogis.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 19:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

maybe you should sit on the ham grenade, mmkay?

xpost

lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 19:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

everyone is cranky

Holy Crap! Typhoon is Coming!!! :O (ex machina), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 19:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i ain't mad atcha

JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 20:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

There's a place in LA that does this, but I don't own enough trucker hats to go....

dean? (deangulberry), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 20:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Am I missing something or does "Live Vegan Food" make no fucking sense at all?

martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 20:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

So you mean, like, sushi?

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 20:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

VEGETABLES ARE PEOPLE TOO DUMBASS!!!

JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 20:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

God gave us deep-fryers for a reason, fucking yogis.

I've heard that some of it is actually good - there's one of those restaurants here in Chicago, but the ideology behind it (it 'cleans your system' and 'preserves nutrients' or some shit) is bogus. If my great-grandma can make it to 93 by eating pasta, that's good enough for me.

Then there are the fruitarians - they only eat things that fall to the ground or something.

Kerry (dymaxia), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 20:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Buncha sick gravity-fetishists.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 20:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Fruits and nuts that fall to the ground, I mean - NOT animals or people or blue ice or whatever.

Kerry (dymaxia), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 20:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I can't even imagine what I would eat there that would "satisfy" me. What's a favorite dish?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 20:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

it seems like every other year or so there's a new we've-found-out-what-people-REALLY-should-be-eating trend.

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 20:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I chalk it up to puritanism. Mmmmmmm, oil and carbs.

Kerry (dymaxia), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 20:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

ARE YOU A TRIPSTER?!?!?! OMG WTF LOL

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 20:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

There was an article in SP!N years ago about raw food people. I read it while eating a baby.

Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 20:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

SAVE THE TOMATOES! (Your money or your life...)

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Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 20:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I remember that Spin article. About the guy who was like chef to the stars but only made raw food dishes?

St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 20:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

That's Juliano, I think.

nickn (nickn), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 23:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I've always wondered where fruitarians stand on taking carrion

Matt (Matt), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 23:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

didn't you see Carry On Carrion

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 23:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Never heard of this shit, being a subby. I'm rarely shocked by food, especially French food as I'm half French but I freaked out in a restuarant in Le Havre where they sold a meal that consisted of a patty of raw beef with a raw egg broken on top of it.
This would be classed as the highest form of mentalism in England. Do parasites and salmonella not exist on the continent?

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 08:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Aw come on man, steak tartare is sold in the UK! Admittedly only to peons who don't appreciate REAL STEAK num num but it's not like it's snails - which might be okay if they weren't fried to DEATH in butter and grease but maybe that is a fault of CHEZ GERARD, I do not know!

After watching enemas on YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT I am considering doing a raw food week, but the thing is, I have lots of asparagus and mince (ooh! mince!) to eat up so maybe not. Perhaps I shall turn to SEEDS.

Sarah who cannot log in, Wednesday, 4 August 2004 08:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I can't stop thinking about the ham grenade. Mmmmmm... weapons-grade pork

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 08:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Is that what steak tartare is? I didn't know!

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 08:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

What, eating cooked foods can necessitate an enema? I guess this explains why every person I've ever known or heard about gets an enema every week.

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 08:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

steak tartare! I like carpaccio too. We've started eating our steaks as 'rare as the law will allow'. We barbecue for a couple minutes a side, only. Sawdusty meat no more!

So, raw meat, esp. fish = classic!

Vegetables... it depends. Broccoli and cauliflower should be cooked, carrots either way, tomatoes raw, mushrooms cooked, potatoes cooked.

I can't go for raw food restaurants. Nine times out of ten, it's way too petulant for me. Come on, moderation, folks!

derrick (derrick), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 08:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

raw vegan food?!?!? like... salad?!?!?!?!?!

OMG SHIT NO FUCKING HIPPIES EATING SALADS!!! THEY MUST BE FAGGOS OMG.

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 08:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I like 'em MEDIUM RARE, bt seeing as I am skint as f#ck these days it's a bit of a moot point really. With FRITES! And a ROBUST RED WINE! In winter. One can't really eat proper real actual steak in summer, can they? No, clearly not.

Cooked tomatoes in stews/sauces/casseroles though = classic! HOT TOMATO in sandwiches = utter dud. In fact I think tomatoes in sandwiches are mostly dud anyway apart from the brie tomato and basil baguette from Pret where I forgive it for some reason. Tomato is always the worst thing in any time of x + salad sammiche.

sarah is feeling hungry, Wednesday, 4 August 2004 08:30 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

but actually yeah raw eggs and beef is a great combo - although when i had it the beef was kinda dipped into boiling water first so it's kinda quarter cooked and then it goes into a bowl of raw egg and soy sauce and then eaten.

omg so good.

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 08:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Medium rare are "slightly cooked" is completely different from a big raw pattie pudding of mince for goodness sake! I like my steak rare, but having a gutload of wobbly animal jelly wobbling around is vile!

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 09:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

you're making me hungry here

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 09:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm on the "as rare as possible" side, though steak tartare is a different kettle of fish entirely. Equally num, but completely diffeent to steak. The key is the caper content, I always find.

The beef Ken is talking about is Shabu-shabu, which is my favourite Japanese dish behind unagi (eel). Thin slices, swished lightly in boiling water (the name refers to the noise the beef makes) then dipped in raw egg before making a mouthful of eggy beefy barely cooked goodness. Super num.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 09:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

You should reduce your companion of the life of pig, obtain a certain exercise!

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 09:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

exercise you say??

london fancy a kick about again FAKA?

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 10:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Raw food (uh, plant based I guess if it's really necessary to specify) is good. for. you.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 11:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Then there are the fruitarians - they only eat things that fall to the ground or something.

I have a "friend" who is a fruitarian. They eat the ENTIRE fruit, skin, stem, etc. I saw this duder eat a WHOLE RAW PINEAPPLE, skin and all. HA HA YR MOUF HURTS.

Still, I feel wrong being so jokish about this, considering the ridiculous health benefits of eating raw things, but I guess I've spent too many years cooking/eating too many tasty things letting notions such as nutrition go to the wind to not be so flippant about it anymore.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 12:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

When I was ten or eleven years old, I'd sometimes make myself teak Tartare, though we'd only have raw chopped beef in the pantry if my mom was cooking something IMPORTANT, so I had to improvise, defrosting some rock-hard disks of frozen hamburger in the microwave and using THAT with the raw egg and onion etc. And I'm almost positive the recipe I used came from a kid's rainy-day-fun-time book, too!

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 12:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

teak tartare!!! Splinterrific!

Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 12:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

sorry Mike

Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 12:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

It's one of the weirdest things I do, but I occasionally eat lemons end-to-end. My grandfather used to do it, and I picked up the habit as a kid. The skin is really mellowing in relation to the sourness inside, and the seeds are soft-enough to just swallow without noticing. If you cut the lemon in half and sprinkle a little sugar on it, it's even better. But Jesus Christ - a pineapple? The inside center's unpalatable, and my sphincter convulses a little at the thought of pooping out pineapple skin.

x j e r e m y (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 12:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

im with ken, whats the hysteria surrounding "raw food". it seems like this thread is just people going OMG people go to restaurants and eat vegetables and salad OMg kill them.

raw veg is mostly much nicer than cooked. The same is true for fruit but x100000. to my taste buds, at any rate.

ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 14:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

im with ken, whats the hysteria surrounding "raw food". it seems like this thread is just people going OMG people go to restaurants and eat vegetables and salad OMg kill them.

Um, no. It's more like the typical eye-rolling that any overhyped food trend engenders.

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 18:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

raw meat is good.

kitfo (raw beef mixed with ethiopian butter and spices)is delicious.

or you can just have a slice of raw meat. tastes grreat.

H (Heruy), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 18:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i used to occasionally get a raw terrine kind of thing from a health food grocery near my old office. it was composed of layers of beets, carrots, sprouted legumes, nut cream, etc; really brightly-colored and nice-looking. it made me feel really energized and actually kept me full as much or more as a cooked veg. meal.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 18:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

How is fetishizing raw meat any cooler than fetishizing raw vegetables?

St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 18:58 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Aside from the DANGER.

St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 18:58 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I just answered my own question, didn't I?

St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 19:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Mmm, fugu unprepared! *eats, dies*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 19:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

NED! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Kenan (kenan), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 19:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Why do the ones with good hair always die so young?

Kenan (kenan), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 19:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

not fetishizing it, just commenting that it is delicious. i grew up with these foods, can it be fetishization if it is part of the culture?

H (Heruy), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 19:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Stop getting off on yourself, H. Otherwise Momus will have to start wearing kilts.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 19:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm not down on anyone's culture. I just thought it was funny how the tone of this thread shifted from Ha ha, raw food is dumb to Mmm, raw meat is delicious.

St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 19:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Maybe "fetishize" isn't the correct term. I dunno. Doesn't really seem like Marxian fetishization, or Freudian fetishization. People expressing affinities towards certain things probably isn't, strictly speaking, fetishization at all.

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 19:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Broheems? Dat you?

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 19:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Word! What up, stence?

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 19:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

nada! Cool to see you back, tho! Shame about the White Sox.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 19:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Ugh, tell me about it. Last week was the week from hell.

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 19:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...
Some facts from Jeffrey Steingarten, from an essay piquantly titled "Salad, the Silent Killer":

- Raw spinach contains oxalic acid which forms an insoluble bond with calcium and iron and renders the uncooked green essentially non-nutritious.

- Raw red cabbage, brussels sprouts, and beets contain a chemical that blocks the absorption of vitamin E.

- Phytates in uncooked grains block magnesium, zinc and copper.

- A vitamin E blocker in raw kidney beans, alfalfa, and some peas increases the incidence of liver disease in animals.

- Undercooked lima and other broad beans contain high concentrations of cyanogens - poisons similar to cyanide.

- Raw cabbage, broccoli, brussels sprouts, kale, turnips, rutabagas, cauliflower, mustard seeds, and horseradish all contain goitrogens which cause extreme enlargement of the thyroid among people with little iodine in the diets.

In almost all cases, cooking the food solves the problem.

Jessa and I have been reading a raw food cookbook to each other for fun lately, as comedy. This is easily the most hysterical, least informed, most knee-jerk hippie dumbass food trend EVER.

slightly more subdued (kenan), Monday, 9 May 2005 18:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Someone should point out that Cafe Gratitude in SF is basically run by a cult.

mikef-who-mostly-lurks (mfleming), Monday, 9 May 2005 18:27 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Oh, I'm sure.

What's really great about the raw food cookbook is the absolute famine of nutritional information or food science in it. Everything is supposed to be good for you because... it's Raw! It removes toxins, dontcha know! Never you mind what "toxins" are. Or how it removes them.

You know, even assuming that these toxins of which so many people so often speak are real and not imagined, the fastest way to get rid of them is to drink a couple of gallons of water. And please, cook your food, you mentalists.

slightly more subdued (kenan), Monday, 9 May 2005 18:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

my old boss was friends with j steingarten, i've met him a few times. he weighs, like, 300 lbs. i like his books a lot (i have signed copies) and he's a nice guy but i'm not looking to him for nutrition advice.

his favorite foods are like blood sausage, pate and lobster rolls!

logg'd out, Monday, 9 May 2005 18:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

well, that's not really advice, just science. I love the way he throws so much food science into his writing. Gives it kind of this techno-geeky bent along with the sensuous, romantic descriptions of Milky Way bars and ketchup (two foods he's convinced are among the finest ever invented). He is a treat.

slightly more subdued (kenan), Monday, 9 May 2005 18:34 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

my sister's all into raw food. she doesn't eat raw exclusively, but it does make up the majority of her diet. All you folks damning the raw food just don't know what's up. she makes these wierd raw pies and cakes all the time and they're way better than 98% of the desserts i've ever had and afterwords i feel like my dental hygienist went to town on my colon. OMG SO FRESH!!!
that said i'm way too lazy to adopt her diet and prefer throwing a Freschetta in the oven to all the crazy blender exercises she goes through.
OH and CARROT JUICE@!! that shit is good.

Fetchboy (Felcher), Monday, 9 May 2005 18:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, carrot juice is one of my favorite things. For real. So expensive to buy it, though.

slightly more subdued (kenan), Monday, 9 May 2005 18:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

All of my food allergies are to foods in their raw form — cooked, no problem. (Actually, I haven't tested the "cooked is okay" theory with cantaloupe and watermelon.)

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 9 May 2005 19:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The thought of "cooked" watermelon is like a greeting card from Vomitville.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 9 May 2005 19:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Fetch how the fuck does your sister eat raw-healthy in New Orleans? I couldn't even pull off vegetarianism here.

This thread is OTM regarding the utter lack of science surrounding the raw food thing.

adam (adam), Monday, 9 May 2005 19:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It's not really "cooking," but we made a sorbet out of watermelon a week or so ago. Mmmmmm. Maybe that wouldn't make you sick.

(Also, pineapple ice cream, which was Oh My God Good. A home ice cream maker is a joy forever.)

slightly more subdued (kenan), Monday, 9 May 2005 19:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

well, she gives in whenever there's crawfish around and other seafood goodies. she also likes burgers a bunch. but when she eats at home, which is most meals, she usually just makes her raw stuff, which is usually really good, it's just so preparation-heavy that i don't know how she does it.

Fetchboy (Felcher), Monday, 9 May 2005 19:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I've had seared watermelon and it's quite good, but it's just carmelized a bit on the outside rather than cooked all the way through.

Brian Miller (Brian Miller), Monday, 9 May 2005 19:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

twelve years pass...

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khat person (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:47 (eleven months ago) Permalink

sorry to hear that dude, get well soon

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