Voting for Bush as a means of attaining ecstasy

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I don't like George W Bush. Rather, i don't like his policies. I think he's dangerous, incompetent and stupid. I do not support the war in any capacity. I don't know WHAT we'll do, as a nation, under four more years of George W Bush. Perish, probably.

That said, I think if I decided to vote in this coming election, which would be the first (and presumably last) time, I think pulling the lever and casting a vote that would help to ruin the day of people like Michael Moore, Kathleen Hanna, The Beastie Boys, Steve Earle, Bruce Springsteen, Sean Penn, Alec Baldwin, Linda Ronstadt, Susan Sarandon, Tim Robbins, Madonna, and REM, would feel much like a hundred china white spikes in my vein. It'd surely bring me to an internal-organ warming state of supreme ecstasy, culminating in a cream colored climax the likes of which no mortal man has ever experienced.

One more fucking protest song, and, to paraphrase an Onion column from a few months back, my vote is going to cancel out yours.

And you just TRY to keep Mellencamp quiet.

In this way, I exploit democracy's greatest flaw. And STILL help to keep Heinz-Kerry from moving into The White House. Rightfuckingon.

― ziggazigahhhh (roger adultery), Thursday, 19 August 2004 23:34 (twenty-one years ago)

you are silly. most of the people you named have done very well under Bush. You would just be making them richer.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 August 2004 23:37 (twenty-one years ago)

That's like autoasphyxiation without the orgasm.

― Dirty Muriel (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 19 August 2004 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

If I didn't live in an important swing state and instead lived in a red state, like say...Texas, that Bush is gonna take anyway, then yeah I can see pulling the lever under BUSH/CHENEY; it would be a kind of strangely pleasurable masochistic act I think.

― herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Thursday, 19 August 2004 23:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Indulging in gluttony, lethargy, meat, binge drinking, hedonistic pop trash and self-involvement while pulling the ballot for KERRY and thinking that makes me part of the solution is plenty "being naughty" for me.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 19 August 2004 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Because Lord knows I sleep better at night knowing that Toby Keith and Lee Greenwood and Bruce Willis are comfortable and safe amongst their millions.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 20 August 2004 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I hear Toby Keith is a registered Democrat. And I didn't even know those other two were Bush supporters. So that goes to show you.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 20 August 2004 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Bruno and the G.O.P
During the 92 campaign my 7th grad social studies teacher would let us watch CNN during class. One morning we saw Bruce "Bruno" Willis stumping for Bush Sr. with Major Dad.
One of Willis' statements of endorsement for Bush involved him telling a story about a discussion with then wife Demi Moore on the subject of which candidate would be a better baby sitter for their horribly named children ("Rumor" and "Scout"). Bruno made it sound like him and Demi concluded that Clinton and Perot would be absolutely untrustworthy around their children.
No I'm not making this up and I hope Bruce Willis starts campaigning for Bush Jr. very soon.

― herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Friday, 20 August 2004 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Bruno did play harmonica for the troops and told them to give him 5 minutes alone with Saddam when they find 'em (I'm assuming to give him a kick in the ass or something), but I don't know if he's actually spoken up for Bush himself.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 20 August 2004 00:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm assuming there was a band with him but the AP photos did make it appear that Bruno felt the troops deserved to hear a harmonica solo before they risk their lives for apple pie.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 20 August 2004 00:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Bruno doing what he can
http://parentsofdeployed.homestead.com/files/willis.jpg

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 20 August 2004 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)

http://home.netnam.vn/newsimgs/3_10_2003/bruce.jpg

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 20 August 2004 00:22 (twenty-one years ago)

It's pretty easy to find celebrities to hate in either camp. There's tons of celebrities! Loads and loads and loads. don't worry, I'm sure you'll find enough republican ones to hate if you look carefully enough, no need to throw your own ideology out of the window just yet. Sometimes life is easy like that.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 20 August 2004 00:27 (twenty-one years ago)

If only one could photoshop black sunglasses on Bruce.

― herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Friday, 20 August 2004 00:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I believe he's screaming for a cappucino in that second pic (not to mention grabbing some guitar man ass - if only that was Danny Aiello on the six-string)

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 20 August 2004 00:31 (twenty-one years ago)

what a surprising display of maturity!

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 20 August 2004 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I really wanted this to say "voting for Bush as a means of obtaining Ecstasy."

― spittle (spittle), Friday, 20 August 2004 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Some people you left out - John Fogerty, Tom Waits, Paul Newman, Robert DeNiro, Harvey Keitel, Oliver Stone, Charlize Theron, Owen Wilson, Rebecca Romijn, Hunter Thompson, Steve Buscemi, Scarlett Johanssen, Benicio del Toro, Larry Fishburne, Kirsten Dunst, Charles Barkley, John McEnroe, Willie Nelson, Larry David, Lucy Liu, Leo DiCaprio, Ben Stiller, Ben Affleck, Jennifer Garner, Matt Damon, Jamie Foxx, Illeana Douglas, Pierce Brosnan, Ione Skye, Christina Applegate, Rebecca de Mornay, Christie Brinkley, Eliza Dushku, Heather Graham, Tom Hanks, Cuba Gooding, Jr., Gwyneth Paltrow, Puffy, J. Lo, William H. Macy, Alfre Woodard, Richard Linklater, Sofia Coppola, Errol Morris, Whoopi Goldberg, Robin Williams, Bob Odenkirk, Liz Phair, Maynard James Keenan, the Dixie Chicks, Angie Stone, Kenny Edmonds, Conor Oberst, Death Cab for Cutie, Wyclef and the Grateful Dead

How Republican, really, are the Hollywood Republicans?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 20 August 2004 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)

So did Bob Oedenkerk throw his name out of the race and endorse Kerrey? I still see his campaign ads all the time.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 20 August 2004 01:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, i had no idea such progressive thinkers as Rebecca Romijn, Kirsten Dunst, and Robin Williams supported Kerry! Praise the lord, I have SEEN the light.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 20 August 2004 01:30 (twenty-one years ago)

you take that back, or Illeana Douglas gun' stomp you FLAT

― Lt. Kingfish Del Pickles (Kingfish), Friday, 20 August 2004 01:32 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG THEY ARE FAMOUS THEREFORE I MUST VOTE FOR KERRY

― Sexual Air Supply (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 20 August 2004 01:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Famous people and European leaders like him. (He even speaks European!) Therefore, he is not a normal hardworking American with traditional values, because normal hardworking Americans are not famous or European. QED. Plus he lied about his clever ploy to go to Vietnam so he could stage an attack upon himself and then leverage his medals and subsequent antiwar activism to get himself into the Senate, from whence he could woo the support of Hollywood starlets and the Grateful Dead, assuring himself the White House. My god he's diabolical.

― spittle (spittle), Friday, 20 August 2004 01:50 (twenty-one years ago)

And John Lennon.

― Lt. Kingfish Del Pickles (Kingfish), Friday, 20 August 2004 01:51 (twenty-one years ago)

some hollywood/musical celebs i like support kerry, and some who i don't like also support him. yay.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 20 August 2004 01:58 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0895260174/qid=1092970908/sr=8-2/ref=pd_ka_2/104-7778185-4393529?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 20 August 2004 02:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm going to check off Kerry on my absentee ballot, and whether he wins or loses, I won't feel good about it.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 20 August 2004 07:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Look, is Bush legalising Ecstasy or what?

― DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 20 August 2004 08:00 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah Bush just give me those mitsubishis already

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 20 August 2004 08:23 (twenty-one years ago)

you have to vote for him - and I don't think you are an American citizen. It's going to be really funny after the election when we are moaning about that FuXoR being in for another four years, but all the right wing ILXoRs are feeling the vibe.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 20 August 2004 11:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Conor Oberst, Death Cab for Cutie, Wyclef and the Grateful Dead

Hahahaha, now there's a concert!

I'm still puzzled (and more than a bit annoyed) that this subject is an issue at all, is there really that much of a focus on celebs' opinions re: this election in the US media that it merits so much whining? Cuz I don't remember this being a big argument during the last elections, and God knows Gore had plenty of celeb supporters, too (he had Affleck, DeNiro and Stevie Wonder standing next to him on election night dontcha know.)

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 20 August 2004 11:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, i had no idea such progressive thinkers as Rebecca Romijn, Kirsten Dunst, and Robin Williams supported Kerry! Praise the lord, I have SEEN the light.

Surprise surprise, you're generally uninterested in the opinions of women and the very intelligent. They threaten you bigtime. You already are a Bush supporter - just accept it, and don't go around with this pussy 'well, I know he's bad, but I'll vote for him to piss off Susan Sarandon.'

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 20 August 2004 12:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Voting for Bush is really in your interest anyway. You're moving somewhere that isn't exactly a likely target of terrorism, so what do you care if people in New York get blowed up? (I'm not sure you'd care if you stayed in New York, either, but that's another story) And you don't seem to have much desire or capacity for economic security let alone upward mobility, so Kerry's economic plan isn't going to mean much to you. The important thing, as a hippie, is that the Bushes make you feel good, and the Kerrys definitely don't.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 20 August 2004 12:53 (twenty-one years ago)

hahah you just called roger adultery a hippie, shit's about to GO DOWN!!!

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm with Colin Meeder, I am voting for Kerry because he is not Bush, there's no point in hiding my bitter disappointment in our nominees, as per usual.

From The Economist, August 21-27:
John Kerry on the Schwarzenegger Factor: "He and I both married up."
George Bush on the Schwarzenegger Factor: "We both married above ourselves..."

Tells me all I need to know about both of these men. And the class stuggle marches on.

― TOMBOT, Friday, 20 August 2004 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't get it. What does this tell you? That politicians will take any excuse to pay a corny public compliment to their "better half"?

― o. nate (onate), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Except that Kerry's at least telling the truth and not fibbing. Maria Shriver never killed a dude.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:34 (twenty-one years ago)

...yet. it's a good thing she quit broadcastin', 'cuz you never knew when she was gunna get fed up with a cushy interview segment and just SNAP.

"THat's right, muhfuckas. Maria Shriver is now the H.N.I.C, and I just capped this guy! Who's next?!"

― Lt. Kingfish Del Pickles (Kingfish), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait, did someone just call Robin Williams the very intelligent?

― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:45 (twenty-one years ago)

There are plenty of corny public compliments you can pay to your wife and Maria Shriver without implying that rich people are better. It's just infuriating to me to hear everybody repeatedly declaring nonpartisan support of the caste system.

In fact the very premise of this thread is basically rooted in class issues, I want to piss off some people who think they're better than me, so I'm going to vote for the asshole. Wait, which asshole? etc.

Either support democracy by picking an actual issue and voting your stance, or protest the electoral college system and stay home in November. All this Hollywood shit is about as irrelevant as you can get.

― TOMBOT, Friday, 20 August 2004 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I hear ol' boys say that they married above themselves all the time, and I don't think that it has a whit to do about class or caste systems. It's just another way of saying, "My better half", that's all.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, but when pretending to draw parallels between yourself and an immigrant who married a Kennedy scion, it comes off pretty fucking obnoxious. Maybe I'm reading more into the quote than is technically there. The moves make the man as always, regardless of a sound bite's particular semantics.

― TOMBOT, Friday, 20 August 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

So let me get this right - an intelligent, grown up American is swayed by A BUNCH OF OTHER PEOPLE VOTING FOR SOME DUDE? You fucking idiot!!

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 20 August 2004 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Mark C OTM.

No offense to any of you on this thread but I don't really give a rat's ass for whom you are all gonna vote either. Making my decision on my candidate is like a hand job. For me - I can do it better.

― Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 20 August 2004 14:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Maria Shriver looks like Skeletor.

― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 20 August 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I like how we so often get bogged down in semantics around here.

My favorite part was when gabbneb made it a point to separate 'women' and the 'very intelligent'

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 20 August 2004 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

TOMBOT sounding like a naderite SHOCKA!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 21 August 2004 00:09 (twenty-one years ago)

(still, he DOES have a point ... though i will vote for kerry over bush, it's still a choice b/w "noblesse oblige" and "let 'em eat cake." then again, you could've said the same thing about the presidential elections from 1932-1944, not to mention 1960.)

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 21 August 2004 00:11 (twenty-one years ago)

which way is new jersey swinging btw?

― gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 21 August 2004 00:15 (twenty-one years ago)

the same way that san francisco is.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 21 August 2004 00:15 (twenty-one years ago)

diva house til the break of noon?

― gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 21 August 2004 00:16 (twenty-one years ago)

that's the hottest new club in trenton, yo!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 21 August 2004 00:17 (twenty-one years ago)

From the New York Press: "Spite the Vote."

― j.lu (j.lu), Saturday, 21 August 2004 00:24 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, I never thought to read this the way tom did.

which way is new jersey swinging btw?

I guess our state 'gaydar' isn't working," said Timothy Harper, a writer and journalism teacher who lives in Ridgewood.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 21 August 2004 00:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Marrying above your class usually equals "she's way better looking than me." But I can see where Tombot's coming from given the people involved.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 21 August 2004 02:24 (twenty-one years ago)

the thread premise is beyond idiotic. if only because you will never see the affect your spite-vote will have on those you listed but you definitely will see the affect four more years of Bush will have on you and our country as a whole.

― oops (Oops), Saturday, 21 August 2004 05:05 (twenty-one years ago)

tombot otm with the economist quotes. but honestly both families were already frikin political dynasties. to truly "marry up" they would have had to tied the knot with like the queen of all known space or something.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 21 August 2004 07:24 (twenty-one years ago)

how was Kerry's family a 'political dynasty'? his dad was a foreign service officer. his mother came from the Forbes family, but had little contact with it after her many siblings were scattered around the world after WWII. Kerry's biggest connection to that side of the family seems to be that an Aunt paid for him to go to boarding school.

this is a little different from your grandfather being a Senator and your father being a Congressman, CIA director, Ambassador, Vice President and President.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 21 August 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Kerry does seem to have always sought proximity to politicians - dating Jackie Kennedy's sister and sailing on the boat with JFK, for instance - but I think this is pretty understandable for someone who started out as a JFK-inspired idealist who has always been interested in public service - pols are rock stars to him. there is something to the class issue - it's an expression of his adolescent discomfort as a merely upper middle class student at boarding schools for the very rich and powerful. that's something W has never had to worry about. being of his class frees him to be as condescendingly magnanimous to anyone as he wishes. viz. the nicknames, head-patting, celebration of charity work, etc.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 21 August 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

what is w's class?

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 21 August 2004 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

basically, Kerry grew up a member of the gentry. Bush grew up as a Prince and now sees himself as a King. This also explains the candidates' attitudes toward their fathers.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 21 August 2004 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't understand class.

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 21 August 2004 15:00 (twenty-one years ago)

not to mention the church (xpost)

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 21 August 2004 15:00 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.nysol.se/larouche/bilder/larouchein2004.jpg

― Joseph Pot (STINKOR™), Saturday, 21 August 2004 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe Hamlet is the best of the books on Bush

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 21 August 2004 15:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Marrying above your class usually equals "she's way better looking than me." But I can see where Tombot's coming from given the people involved.

well the quotes didn't mention class, rather they said "married up" and "married above ourselves"

I've always taken these statements to mean that the wife was a better person than the husband.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 21 August 2004 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

also, Schwarzenegger wasn't just some immigrant when he met Maria Shriver - he was Mr. Universe and had started appearing in movies. she was a recent college graduate starting as a local tv writer-producer in Philly. when they married, almost 10 years later, he was a movie star and multimillionaire and she was co-anchor of the CBS morning news.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 21 August 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

she was a recent college graduate starting as a local tv writer-producer in Philly.

Still a Kennedy.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 21 August 2004 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, gabbneb, but before all that he was a poor kid from a bad part of Styria. His accent in German betrays a lot, which is why he avoids speaking German. I think Millar's on to something, actually.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Saturday, 21 August 2004 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I concede that completely. And I think it may explain his incredible drive in seeking status - physically, financially, sexually, iconically (neo-fascisticly), and, finally, politically. Also, if you want to go that route, before John Heinz, Maria Teresa Thierstein Simoes-Ferreira was nothing like Arnold, but she was also nothing like THK - she was born in a small village in Portuguese-controlled Mozambique to a Mozambican mother and Portuguese physician father, who she accompanied on working trips into the bush. They later moved to a suburb where her Dad opened an oncology and radiotherapy clinic. She didn't meet Heinz until after college and graduate language work, when she became an interpreter at the UN.

If Millar is on to something, then explain to me how George Walker Bush 'married up' to Laura Welch. I really think that people have some complex when it comes to this stuff.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 21 August 2004 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll also note, as background, that Bush has used this line forever, and that I think Kerry is copying it from him.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 21 August 2004 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

he didn't *actually* have to do it -- he had to *invoke* it.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 22 August 2004 00:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Dear Globochem,

Someone is trying to kill me! Please send lots of free stuff.

― Girolamo Savonarola, Sunday, 22 August 2004 00:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't say it before, not wanting to start partisan bickering, but Bush's statement should be taken separately from Ahnuld and Kerry's. He isn't likely to have the same class issues as Kerry or (as discussed, Arnold) . Kerry certainly wasn't working-class, but he was always steps below those he associated with and aspired to be (the Skull and Bones people, the Kennedys).

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 22 August 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

bush is the antithesis of classy.

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 22 August 2004 01:05 (twenty-one years ago)

ashy?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 22 August 2004 01:27 (twenty-one years ago)

That's right, Bob. Listen to your friend, a person who makes more money than you, is better than you, and therefore beyond criticism. This is called the Worthington Law and it's used to gauge the value of human worth.

― Girolamo Savonarola, Sunday, 22 August 2004 01:29 (twenty-one years ago)

If Millar is on to something, then explain to me how George Walker Bush 'married up' to Laura Welch.

because she didn't drink like a fish, snort blow like stevie nicks, and knew how to read?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 22 August 2004 02:24 (twenty-one years ago)

None of us here are anything compared to Sammy Hagar.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 22 August 2004 02:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Bush fits entirely, because pretending not to be high class has been his schtick for years.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Sunday, 22 August 2004 10:42 (twenty-one years ago)

he is, either, giving an incredibly convincing turn or he is THE ANTITHESIS OF CLASSY.

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 22 August 2004 10:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Bush fits entirely, because pretending not to be high class has been his schtick for years.

i'm not sure what "high class" means. during his TANG and HBS years, he reportedly told everyone who would listen who his Daddy was. admittedly, since the early 80s, after the failure of his first Congressional race (and after he married Laura, but before he was born again), he has emphasized/affected a rural Southern/Western character. but I don't see him explicitly pretending not to have the money and family history he has. are you saying those things are not well known?

RJG - can you vote in Wisconsin?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 22 August 2004 11:53 (twenty-one years ago)

you mean, can I influence voting, in wisconsin?

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 22 August 2004 11:55 (twenty-one years ago)

no, i meant the former, but i guess that's the answer. I think Kerry will win all of the Gore states, but Wisconsin and Iowa seem like the most likely to slip away if any do.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 22 August 2004 11:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I am not an american.

I know one person, whom I trust to use the anyone-but-bush logic and vote for kerry.

I know another person, who was leaning towards a bush vote (feeling kerry to be weak-willed and other stuff) but they have decided that they want to cast their vote on my behalf or something and will vote as I wish them to.

that's only two, though.

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 22 August 2004 12:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm telling you, Kerry keeps all of the blue states and Bush keeps all of his red states except Nevada and New Hampshire. Then watch as the country poops their pants again.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Sunday, 22 August 2004 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

both my people are in wisconsin, btw. I wonder why gabbneb thought I might be able to vote, there, though.

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 22 August 2004 13:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I wasn't sure if you had dual citizenship or something and asked obliquely

PP - why do you think Nevada will be the only red state to flip?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 22 August 2004 13:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm only scottish.

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 22 August 2004 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

And New Hampshire.

My armchair quarterbacking leads me to think that the states will basically do exactly what they did four years ago. Everyone's still polarized and everyone's had their mind made up for some time now. Kerry will squeak by in Wisconsin and Iowa, and Bush will get another 500 vote mandate from Florida. Maybe 1000 this time.

Strangely, the only inroads I see Kerry making will be in the west. He'll get New Mexico with more votes this time, and if Colorado approves their electoral change, he'll get some there as well (though I'm not betting on it.) I also think that he'll get Nevada, based on the drastic population changes there in the last few years, his Yucca stance, and the fact that Vegas is apparently not paying any attention to all of these wet-your-pants terror warnings from the government.

And this will result in a 269-269 tie.

I honestly think that Kerry could also win Arizona or Ohio, but I'm trying to be, heh, conservative with my guess. Thereby, I'm only going to give Kerry a couple of small red states and Bush gets no blue states.

I also think that the Seahawks and the Falcolns are going to have much-better-than-expected seasons.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Sunday, 22 August 2004 13:35 (twenty-one years ago)

right, I consider NH a blue state - Kerry is pretty comfortably outside the margin, and even in 2000 Gore + Nader > Bush

I take the demographic point re NV, but the polls differ. And Gore won Florida last time and Kerry had a solid lead in early August polls. Even a recent Republican poll has him leading (though I think that they may manufacture certain results to encourage overconfidence). I wonder if in both cases the polls poorly reflect the new demographics. Also, I don't expect to win WV or MO, but Kerry has led both in a fair number of polls. I don't know what to make of Ohio, but a recent Gallup poll had Kerry up 10. I don't expect to win AZ unless it's a mini-landslide roping in CO (tied at 47 in a recent poll I don't trust), AR, VA, etc.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 22 August 2004 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

From the New York Press: "Spite the Vote."

Thank you very much for posting that essay -- it's quite something (I'm tempted to say "brilliant"). I don't know that it's completely correct, but there's a lot in there that rings very true, and it talks about a phenomenon I haven't really seen anyone else describe so well.

― christmas lights (christmaslights), Sunday, 22 August 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

ILE needs to see this photo, too:

http://www.vanillaice.com/gallery/photos/fans/johnson_dustin01.jpg