socialising with your partner's friends who you dont really care for

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have to do this tonight and cant be bothered, sad to say. will have to drown my liver in alcohol to endure their terminal toff-ness. it would be alright if they actually seemed remotely welcoming rather than a cliquey wall i have to steamroll over to actually make some sort of headway with but either way, i will be hitting threshers well before hand.

dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Friday, 20 August 2004 10:33 (twenty-one years ago)

start espousing racist opinions so they never invite you round again.

alternatively, you might bond with your new friends over a shared hatred of Uighurs.

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 20 August 2004 10:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I harbour a secret fear that the same thing is about to happen to me - I've ony met the friends in question for literally five minutes and it gave me the fear that they're *precisely* the kind of people I've spent the past 10 years trying to wash out of my hair.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 20 August 2004 10:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Start espousing racist opinions so they never invite you round again.

What happens if they warm to you after this?

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Friday, 20 August 2004 10:47 (twenty-one years ago)

This was actually a major problem in my last relationship. Mainly because Joe didn't really have friends, he had either A) people he used to know or B) people he thought could help him with his career.

The former, although they were mostly very nice, I really had little in common with. I would just smile politely and try to think of nice things to say about their children.

The latter became a massive problem for me, because I usually thought they were an intolerably pretentious bunch of twats. I tried drinking myself insensate, but that caused problems of its own. I tried staying quiet and keeping my thoughts to myself, but that was even more tedious. In the end, I developped the strategy of going to the social function, putting in an appearance, and then leaving as quickly as I could.

The problem was, it really wasn't mutual. He liked almost all of my friends, and they liked him. He just didn't seem to *have* any friends that I could like.

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Friday, 20 August 2004 10:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Kate, if you were still with Joe, I would advise him to dump his stupid friends in favour of yours. only then of course life is a trial when you split up and he is still hanging around with all your friends who turn out to like him more than they like you.

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 20 August 2004 10:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't want to turn this into yet another thread where I moan about Joe, etc. but... Christ. He honestly said he was astonished sometimes about how many friends I had, and how nice they all were. Why was this surprising to him?

OK, it's surprising to me sometimes, how wonderful my friends are, because sometimes I really feel like I don't deserve them. (And often I'm a brat, and concentrate on the jerks that I don't get along with, rather than the wonderful people that I do.)

But other times, I felt like screaming at him "You know why I have friends? Because I make an *effort* to have friends! And not just with people that I think will help a "career" - but with people that I actually, genuinely, like! I ring people, I text people, I email people more often - I make an effort to see my friends and talk to them, even if it's just a mutual moan." All stuff I never saw him doing. Unless, of course, he thought he could get a show, or a review out of it. So I'm not actually the slightest bit bothered about any of my friends deciding that they like him better - because it's freaking unlikely he'd even remember to keep in contact with them.

This is what pisses me off most about his stupid, phoney, inconsequential "I hope we can still be friends" schtick. Because he doesn't have the FAINTEST CLUE how to be friends with people.

Anyway... rant over, back to topic.

Are these annoying people *actually* friends of your partner, or are they colleagues or work people or something like that? Is it a bad sign if you don't get along with your partner's friends? Or is it only a bad sign based on the closeness of said friends?

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Friday, 20 August 2004 11:09 (twenty-one years ago)

You can tell a lot about people from the kind of friend they are (see Joe above maybe?) but less about them from their actual *friends* than people often think. There are always a milion reasons why you have the friends you do, most of them so deep in shared history etc that a new partner has no chance of understanding why you seem to like this random tosser or that.

But also, not getting on with your partner's friends is often (at first anyway) just a symptom of jealousy or feeling left out rather than a personal dislike, in my experience.

I get on very well with Matt's close friends and vice versa, but it actually took a really long time to get to that point. It was my closest friends who were initially most awkward and suspicious around M, which kind of makes sense because they would be the ones most affected by a new important person in my life. There are a few of my friends who M doesn't like, but it's more based on their history with me or other of our mutual friends than any personality clash.

Archel (Archel), Friday, 20 August 2004 11:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Ur, I am going to start an anonymous thread (for reasons that will become apparent) with this title - You can tell a lot about people from the kind of friend they are - so, um, thanks to Archel before I log out.

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Friday, 20 August 2004 11:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha ha, except now we all know who will have started it!

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Friday, 20 August 2004 11:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Most of my wifes friends I have no problem with. I know there are a few friends of mine that she doesn't really like.

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Friday, 20 August 2004 11:37 (twenty-one years ago)

You probably shouldn't invite these friends over for sessions where all you do is eat raw meat and discuss the joys of ass, then. At least get them to shower first.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 August 2004 11:41 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post - yeah, these are the type of people ive been trying to avoid forever and loathe with a passion (which i kinda feel bad about and my girlfriend says im being a judgmental idiot cos theyre really nice people, something i have yet to see).

x-post 2 she gets along with my friends though, who are really nice to her and like her, something thats mutual.

x-post 3 - these annoying people are in my partner's 'social circle' but shes not even close to them really, theyre mainly friends of her best mate. her proper friends (who she doesnt get to see that often, sadly) are outside of the circle, and i get along just fine with them. part of it is i dont think they are that great to her in the first place, so why should i be? but she wants me to get along with them, i dont know why. hope this makes sense.

dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Friday, 20 August 2004 11:42 (twenty-one years ago)

NED OTM.

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Friday, 20 August 2004 11:43 (twenty-one years ago)

(So you need to switch to where you eat raw ass and discuss the joys of meat.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 August 2004 11:44 (twenty-one years ago)

DVD, that actually makes sense. I mean, perhaps, maybe if they are friends of friends of hers, then maybe she doesn't even really know/like them that much, and that's why she wants you to go - as backup!

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Friday, 20 August 2004 11:45 (twenty-one years ago)

She probably wants you to get along with them because she doesn't want to face the possibility that they are twats. Circles of acquaintances, even vague ones or ones who aren't that nice to you, are like safety blankets and people rarely want to give them up.

Archel (Archel), Friday, 20 August 2004 11:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Thats an orgy.

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Friday, 20 August 2004 11:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Both an x-post and yet not.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 August 2004 11:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, you're right, it should be 'circles of acquaintances are like orgies and people rarely want to give them up'.

Archel (Archel), Friday, 20 August 2004 11:50 (twenty-one years ago)

SMBH, she might not know the toffs that well, but she does appear to like them, or at least doesnt want to rock the boat or anything and give them up as archel said, but i dont think she needs me as back up, per se. shes known them well before me.

this is going to be a long and tedious night!

dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Friday, 20 August 2004 11:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I would actually reccomend that you don't get *too* drunk then, as you may end up saying or doing something that you might regret. Try to find one person there that you don't hate, and buttonhole them for the evening. If possible, get them to join you in the toff-hate and make bitchy comments behind your fans or something.

(Can boys make bitchy comments behind their fans? Are boys allowed to carry metaphorical fans?)

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Friday, 20 August 2004 12:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Metaphorical?

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 20 August 2004 12:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I am picturing Barry in Dangerous Liasons right now.

(Actually, Barry in frock coats = k-rowr!)

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Friday, 20 August 2004 12:15 (twenty-one years ago)

PHOTOSHOPPERS DO YO THANG

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 20 August 2004 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

not to wory, i will probably get drunk but instead of drunk/out of control, i will probably get drunk/morose.

dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Friday, 20 August 2004 12:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Drunk morose is often more damaging, unfortunately, in some ways.

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Friday, 20 August 2004 12:22 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah i know. i will try and have someone tell me a joke while downing the first drinks and then i will likely end up in a better mood.

dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Friday, 20 August 2004 12:28 (twenty-one years ago)

this is something you just have to do. shut up and do it. ppls lives tend to fall into a pattern, esp. with friends; it's not as if yr partner had any more or less freedom than you in life to surround themselves with a perfect stable of white-teethed wits or whatever. god knows i can barely stand MY friends half the time. who are YOUR friends? who are YOU? geez.

g--ff (gcannon), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think you do HAVE to do it, actually.

Archel (Archel), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I once went out with a girl so that I could hang out more often with her circle of friends, all of whom were/are totally cool and lovely. Well, not purely for that reason, but they were the tipping point in the relationship's favour and part of the reason it lasted as long as it did.

I'm still pretty close to a few of the people in that group, so I wouldn't say it was a decision I'd regret.

Have we really come this far without anyone quoting the Spice Girls?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:22 (twenty-one years ago)

who are YOU g--f? geez.

dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:23 (twenty-one years ago)

friendships are a rare and amazing thing, even a slight one; they're maybe tougher than a "real" relationship to keep going cos you don't have the friction of sex to keep you together (or maybe...) i know plenty of people that i have serious underlying problems with and wouldn't trust with my houseplants, but would i 'cut them off' if asked? no!

xpost sure you do! i mean, you could have a ugly petty spat and then go pout every time your Other wanted to do something w them...

g--ff (gcannon), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:24 (twenty-one years ago)

well geez dick thats sort of the implication there isn't it.

g--ff (gcannon), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:25 (twenty-one years ago)

[friendships] maybe tougher than a "real" relationship to keep going cos you don't have the friction of sex to keep you together

I really disagree with this statement, someone please tell me why?

Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, you could do that. Maybe it's just a convention that partners should meet each other's friends, who's to say anyone HAS to follow it?

xpost

Archel (Archel), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

ive never NOT gone with my partner when shes said i need to be there and have made many efforts to mix with her friends. im not inherently anti social. i just cant get along that great with some friends of hers. i cant get along with EVERYONE.

dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:35 (twenty-one years ago)

ok how many of you have some very close friends, as in yr INNER CIRCLE, that you met a) outside of work and b) after the age of 25. it's hard! especially if you live a typical 21st cent. life and move around a lot.

g--ff (gcannon), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)

That describes *all* of my friends, g-fff.

None of my friends come from work - I keep work and socialising separate. And I can count the friends that I still have now that I had when I was 25 on the fingers of one hand.

Sometimes you to have to work to find friends in other places - common interests, rather than random coincidence (it's not a coincidence that I have met most of my friends through music or through the internet - often both - as music and computers are two of my biggest interests).

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:40 (twenty-one years ago)

'Very close friends' and 'inner circle' are kind of different things though, aren't they? My inner circle, the core bit of it anyway, was formed about 14 years ago and others have joined since, but I have several very close friends who aren't part of that who I've got to know over the past couple of years. Some of these are from work, but then I worked with an original member of that inner circle so that's understandable.

ILX skews things hugely when it comes to social patterns as well if you live in a place like London.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know what this "inner circle" thing of which you speak is. If you're talking about closeness, or very good friends/best friends, well, they tend to be spread out, but many of them have been met post-25.

I don't *have* a constant group who I've known for many years. I've lived in too many different places in the past 20 years.

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I think with me my 'circle' seems so close-knit because there are kind of two of us who are at the core of the group, and we've been through school, college, university and work together, and other people have joined on in each of those eras.

I wouldn't go out with anyone who had major problems with my friends, but then again most of my friends are people I can't imagine anyone really disliking and anyone who would is not the sort of person I'd want to associate with.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I have an 'inner circle' though we are geographically separated now, of people I went to school with. These are my closest friends. There are two separate circles of university friends, also geographically scattered. I have a few friends from both groups who have ended up in Brighton for whatever reason, but I really don't have a cohesive group of local friends on tap. Certainly nobody from work.

Archel (Archel), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Even when I *was* still at school, I went to so many different schools that I never stayed friends with any of the people that I went to school with. Even starting in late high school, and certainly from college on, my closest friends were people who *weren't* necessarily at school with me.

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Friday, 20 August 2004 14:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't go to Threshers. It's overpriced and they fired me. Support your local small businesses instead!

Back to topic.

Wooden (Wooden), Friday, 20 August 2004 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Archel OTM. See I have a core that I grew up with that are old friends. We don't have too many interests in common beyond growing up together (which I admit is a big commonality, we have a deep bond). Then I have what I consider to be my best friends, who are from school. They are all over the place and very busy so I see them less and less. Then there are a handful of people that don't fall into either category but I definitely met them before 25. So, I don't know how to meet people post-25 either. People say we'll meet other young parents (we're expecting a baby in Nov) and be friends w/ our kid's friends parents but who knows.

I like my wife's friends all well enough. I mean, I wouldn't call them on my own and see if they wanted to get a bite or anything.

mcd (mcd), Friday, 20 August 2004 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that's why I was always quite happy to meet Matt's friends, because I really wanted some more people to hang out with locally. I only really spend time with maybe three of them though.

(When we first got together his best friend and housemate has just dumped *my* friend and housemate after a long relationship, so for a while I didn't really make friends with him out of loyalty to her. He didn't realise this was the reason though and had always suspected I hate him. Doh.)

Archel (Archel), Friday, 20 August 2004 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

My girlfriend and I have been together for ten years now so we have basically figured this out.

If it's a get together with genuine friends that one or the other can't stand, it's an opportunity for the other one to see their dubious friends.

If it's business, one has to be the good wife, go along, not drink too much, and cash in on sexual favors only once we get home.

You always have to make an effort especially for birthdays, weddings, extrordinary circumstances.

It's all about negociation (communication).

We're lucky in that we mostly get along with each other's friends but that may be 'cause we've tried.

Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 20 August 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

ok, im gonna try extra hard. harder then ever before. then at least i can moan like a martyr after when it doesnt work.

dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Friday, 20 August 2004 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

*if* it doesnt work i mean.

dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Friday, 20 August 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

that's the spirit!

g--ff (gcannon), Friday, 20 August 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)


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