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Tens of thousands protest GOP convention

I'm so sick of these liberals trying to get in the way of everything.

Like a great man (Homer Simpson) said, “If you don't like it, go to Russia”

― Sir Dante Evans (Sean3), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Is Dante real?

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Who me? Yeah I'm pretty sure I'm real. Aja was real too.

― Sir Dante Evans (Sean3), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

The liberals aren't real. I'm not saying I like Bush, but the republicans didn't do this at the democratic convention.

― Sir Dante Evans (Sean3), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Really tired.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:17 (twenty-one years ago)

that's because kerry isn't ruining the world, fucknuts (x-post)

― kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, i mean, not to beat a dead horse or anything, but what exactly would the Republicans have to protest, Mr. Hall? The running of a Democratic candidate?

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

he's a figment of our collective subconscious.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

googling "Dante Evans" pianoman turns up some interesting results when one also googles his "real" name (as revealed in results of the first search.)

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

jeez, look at all the people taking pictures of the Cspan cameras

― Lt. Kingfish Del Pickles (Kingfish), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Dante likes Hitler and Stalin. Man, if both Hitler and Stalin hated something, it would have to be pretty damn evil!

― Krankenhaus, Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

How come republicans don't like to protest? I mean, they really hated Clinton, but I don't remember 200,000 anti-Democrats getting together to bash him. Are anti-Republicans just better when it comes to papier mache arts & crafts?

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

You'd have to pay Republicans to protest. (end horrible generalizations.)

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Or offer them free golf balls and a tote bag.

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

they protest like crazy over abortion and church/state stuff

― ryan (ryan), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

googling "Dante Evans" pianoman turns up some interesting results when one also googles his "real" name (as revealed in results of the first search.)

it's his same old html stuff and ILX threads, I don't know what you're seeing.

― kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, but even the abortion people didn't get 10s of thousands of people to show up at the dem convention. i'm assuming there were some there. i didn't see any on the news.

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Just pointing out that he's a creepy troll and should not be taken seriously, I guess. (I hadn't realized he had an ILx persona before Dante, also.)

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

are there 10s of thousands of people who really care that passionately about banning abortion? maybe not! that's a good thing.

― kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost
i didn't see any on the news.

Damn liberal media.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, they only showed anti-bush people on the news during the democratic convention. (or what i saw of it, anyway.)

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

So, I guess what I'm asking is, when Clinton showed up at his convention after the first 4 years, why wasn't he met by thousands of rabid anti-Clinton haterz? Or maybe he was, and I just forget. Could it be that even most Republicans weren't that put out by Clinton and didn't really hate him? Or what?

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

On the other hand, i can remember lots of anti-reagan, anti-bush 1, and Bush 2 protests.

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)

How come republicans don't like to protest?

remember those protests that somehow showed up in Miami-Dade in 2000 to "protest" the recount?

― Lt. Kingfish Del Pickles (Kingfish), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

i dunno. i suspect it's mostly cultural--conservatives probably think of protesting as something liberals do, whereas for liberals protesting is part of their identity (for better or worse)

― ryan (ryan), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

The g.o.p. do have shock troops that they know how to mobilize, but nothing like the lefties with their 1000 different little groups and factions who all descend on a city like locusts.

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

You are probably right, Ryan. They are too patriotic to protest. It reminds them of hippies.

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, they were Republican staffers or anything...

― nader (nader), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't dissent patriotic? Or am I in the wrong country?

― nader (nader), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I was kinda joking, nader.

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh good, at least you were "kinda" joking (thus, kinda not).

― nader (nader), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

CSPAN streaming = yay

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

well, "kinda", cuz a lot of republicans DO see themselves as true patriots and a true patriot is like a soldier or something and protesting would be seen as some sort of anti-usa action.

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Not that I agree that they are true patriots or anything. I don't even believe in patriotism. I mean i believe it exists in people's minds, but i think the idea is silly.

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Does anyone else think all the protesting by liberal groups has trivialized the meaning of public protest?

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

How come republicans don't like to protest?
Why bother marching down the street, when you can just PAY someone to change any law that annoys you?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

(I say "liberal groups" because those are the ones doing most of the protesting, as discussed upthread; I know full well that there are protestors of every political affiliation)

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Custos if that's how they do it then why don't more liberals pay to get their way? I mean it's not like taking the moral high road is the more practical option here

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 29 August 2004 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Additionally, the GOP's "grassroots" movement(s) (AKA shock troops) don't need to take to the streets. They have liberal media outlets like Faux News and Clear Channel Communications to broadcast and re-broadcast and broadcast their compassionate message 24/7. Who needs dirty hippies when you own the airwaves?

― nader (nader), Sunday, 29 August 2004 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)

trivialized the meaning of public protest?

possibly, but i thikn that certain people who gladly have any sort of protest or large gathering rejected as a means of valid public redress...

― Lt. Kingfish Del Pickles (Kingfish), Sunday, 29 August 2004 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

to answer Curt1sss:
Custos if that's how they do it then why don't more liberals pay to get their way?
First, to answer that, you'd have to define what a liberal is.
The definition I'm using: Lower Middle Class Wage Slaves who are worried about the Environment and Civil Rights more than they are about "Terrorists". Generally, this type of individual doesn't have alot of bribe money to distribute.
The Oil/Tobacco/Insurance/Pharmacutical Megalocorporations do.

Also, I think "nader" made my point a helluvalot better than I ever could. Please refer to his post.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 29 August 2004 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

much as i said above i think protests have become trivialized due to their being a cultural aspect of liberalism--it's not so much about any specific issue (if whatever they protest today was solved, woulnd't many of them just move on to something else?) but a foundation of their community, etc.

the connection between protest--issue--solution has become blurry and replaced by protest-->'we are liberals'

― ryan (ryan), Sunday, 29 August 2004 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

possibly also why many see protestors as intolerably self-righteous

― ryan (ryan), Sunday, 29 August 2004 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Perhaps the point of this week's/today's protests is being lost? I really don't think they're looking to the issue + protest = solution equation so much as they (New Yorkers, et al) are unrolling the unwelcome mat. Each march/protest/picketing might have a different focus in letter, but in spirit they're all all about publicly damning Bush Co. for co-opting the NYC's Nine-Eleven conneciton.

― nader (nader), Sunday, 29 August 2004 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Actress Rosario Dawson was one of those arrested, according to a production company shooting a movie in the midst of the march.

Oh dear.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 29 August 2004 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

That'll teach 'er! 4 MORE YEARS!! 4 MORE YEARS!

― nader (nader), Sunday, 29 August 2004 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

While Rosario-in-prison fantasies might occupy some of my time from now on, I'm more distressed at what a film shot in the middle of the protests might be about or how fucking godawful it could be.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 29 August 2004 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Giant Ants.
All those people in the streets are being chased by giant ants.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 29 August 2004 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)

and they'll digitally replace the signs with placards reading "ANTS SUCK" "ANts SHit", etc.

quick, somebody find that screengrab of Kent Brockman with the "HAIL ANTS" sign taped to the studio wall

― Lt. Kingfish Del Pickles (Kingfish), Sunday, 29 August 2004 22:02 (twenty-one years ago)

http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/read/Simpsons1F13/SimpsonsHailAnts.jpg

I kinda wish there were giant ants. (just because they would be cool, not to crush liberals)

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 30 August 2004 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)

You'd have to pay Republicans to protest. (end horrible generalizations.)

a lot of those dudes (and it was mainly dudes) in Florida in 2000 were getting paid.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 30 August 2004 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Two tangentially related links, courtesy of Disinfo.com
Conservatism Betrayed
Bush Bashers & The Bashers Who Bash Them

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 30 August 2004 12:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Would anyone agree that the massive Republican/Democratic split in the US is verging on civil war now? I can see Bush being absolutely non-plussed by any kind of Democratic protest because they do not matter to him. Both sides are looking out for the interests of their supporters, as opposed to the good of their nation.
Bush isn't going to look at these protestors and say to himself "The people of my nation are angry, I must rethink my agenda". I think he's thinking "Damn fucking Liberals! Why won't they shut the fuck up and listen to me?! How do I convert them to my way of thinking?".

― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 30 August 2004 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think it's verging on civil war, although yeah it does sorta feel like it at times. There's a lot of people here who, rightly or wrongly, don't feel that strongly about politics.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 30 August 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

and the whole "red state"/"blue state" thing is more a meme that lazy media folks like following...

― Lt. Kingfish Del Pickles (Kingfish), Monday, 30 August 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

civil war is a little extreme.

you are right about what you said tho, about the interests of the party outweighing the interests of the nation. i think what you said should be taken a step further - think how little the good of the world comes into play in american politics. with the global scope that u.s. policies can have, you'd think the issues that effect places outside your boarders would pop-up a little more.

i'm not surprised by this but i wish it wasn't that way.

dual xpost

― dyson (dyson), Monday, 30 August 2004 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

well, yes - civil war is pushing it. i don't live in the states of course, but it does sometimes seem (to me) like there's a kind of inherent racism going on in that "Oh, they are liberals/republicans hence they don't count". It's as if, according to one's political beliefs, supporters of the other side are seen as sub-human in some areas.

― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 30 August 2004 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Perhaps when support is split nearly 50/50 (as it has been for the last few years) then there isn't much choice in the matter. That is, if you're winning 60/40 then you can govern and worry about how to keep the other 40% happy at the same time. But if it's 50/50, then you've got to be more concerned about being able to govern at all -- and think more about how to add to your base of support,

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Monday, 30 August 2004 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

50/50 either means massive polarization or is the equivalent of flipping a coin in the air several hundred million times

Barry the main problem i and many other people have w/Bush as President - aside from deep differences in philosophy about the role of government - is that he hasn't governed from the center, he hasn't built consensus on anything, which is what any president who had won by such a hair's breadth would be expected to do.. his stock response to that criticism of course is that "9/11 changed everything"

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 30 August 2004 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I completely agree with you Tracer ... I guess my comments were more in reference to election strategy.

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Monday, 30 August 2004 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

the civil war, in addition to taking place in a nation that was totally different in its geographic and technological makeup, conveniently featured relatively homogenous opposing sides in different contiguous political subdivisions. today, the opposing sides are found in roughly similar numbers in most states. the states in which there is a substantial majority are few - in 2000, there were only 15 states in which the losing candidate got less than 40% of the vote, and only 9 in which the winning candidate got more than 60% - and often very small - 6 of these states have a population below 1 million.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 30 August 2004 16:10 (twenty-one years ago)

five years pass...

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― ('_') (omar little), Monday, 1 March 2010 10:03 (sixteen years ago)

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