Conspiracy Theorists Still Hard at Work

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Good to know someone's making stabs in the dark, even if they are futile and silly.

Richard K (Richard K), Friday, 3 September 2004 19:48 (nineteen years ago) link

There's no smoking gun of evidence here but I've never heard any of the claim refuted.

gainfully employed (ex machina), Friday, 3 September 2004 20:07 (nineteen years ago) link

The I-390 jet turbulance claims might be the most interesting

gainfully employed (ex machina), Friday, 3 September 2004 20:08 (nineteen years ago) link

The "no wreckage" bit has always piqued my curiosity too.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 3 September 2004 20:13 (nineteen years ago) link

There's no smoking gun of evidence here but I've never heard any of the claim refuted.

look around long enough and you'll find refutation in spades. for me, the only strange thing remains the huge number of Navy people, former Pentagon workers, and Bush/right-wing-connected people on board. but I don't understand probability very well, and who do you think lives in Northern Virginia?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 3 September 2004 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

Gribowitz (Lynskey), Saturday, 4 September 2004 12:09 (nineteen years ago) link

that debunking isn't very convincing

MATH BLASTER MYSTERY! (ex machina), Saturday, 4 September 2004 12:44 (nineteen years ago) link

It's more convincing than the conspiracy teory itself.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Saturday, 4 September 2004 12:51 (nineteen years ago) link

OK WHATEVER CIA BLACKOP INTERNET TROLL

MATH BLASTER MYSTERY! (ex machina), Saturday, 4 September 2004 12:56 (nineteen years ago) link

OMG THE LINK IS DEAD = COVERUP

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 13:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Odd that the gov't of Quebec would warm up to the GOP...

nader (nader), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Did anyone ever hear anything more about the plane crash in Queens just shortly after 9/11...the official word was structural failure (in the tail I think), but there was talk of sabotage...
For thr record, I think the Pentagon conspiracy is just silly.

paulhw (paulhw), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link

that crash in Queens was definitely due to a tail rudder problem on that model of Airbus, which I think they've since corrected.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link

at least one captured AQ member has claimed it was downed, but this is officially dismissed

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 19:39 (nineteen years ago) link

they haven't brought up the illuminati/lizardmen? then these folks aren't working hard at all, they're FUCKING LAZY.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, no templars, totally amateur

g--ff (gcannon), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

"...definitely due..."
"...officially dismissed..."

WAR is PEACE.
FREEDOM is SLAVERY.
IGNORANCE is STRENGTH.

nader (nader), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 22:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Wash,
Rinse,
Repeat.

nader (nader), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 22:37 (nineteen years ago) link

hang on, i have no idea what this film is meant 2 b saying.

so, what? a military plane hit it instead, then the feds came and cleared up all the camera-stuff (someone somewhere must have footage zapruder style that 'they' haven't nabbed) but what for? to what end?

am i missing the big pic-shure here?

piscesboy, Thursday, 9 September 2004 11:52 (nineteen years ago) link

no i never really saw what the film maker was saying either

Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 9 September 2004 12:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Neither of you see the difference between a military plane/drone ordered by, presumably, the Pentagon and piloted by a U.S. airman to fly into the Pentagon (and therefore give the appearance that "Good gravy!?!?! the capitol's under attack, too!?!?!")...and, oh let's say, a commerical airliner piloted by terrorists that the filmmaker alleges never existed and/or if it did exist didn't fly into the Pentagon for as the filmmaker sees it, there is a considerable dearth of evidence of said airliner?

That's what the filmmaker's saying.

Do I smell smoke?

nader (nader), Thursday, 9 September 2004 12:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Wasn't there an airliner in the building?

I watched a conspiracy program on this the other night. I was interested in what the theorists had to say, until they started claiming it was Mossad, and part of a Jewish conspiracy. Then it sounded too much like something I'd heard before.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 9 September 2004 12:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I FUCKING HATE PEOPLE

TOMBOT, Thursday, 9 September 2004 13:31 (nineteen years ago) link

errr... my aunt worked at the pentagon and personally SAW the plane hit. so unless she's in it, too...

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 9 September 2004 13:32 (nineteen years ago) link

templars, yanc3y, templars. it's very serious.

g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 9 September 2004 13:36 (nineteen years ago) link

errr... my aunt worked at the pentagon and personally SAW the plane hit. so unless she's in it, too...

Yes, but the fact that there are thousands of eyewitness accounts doesn't really seem to matter..

hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 9 September 2004 13:39 (nineteen years ago) link

what about the people that were actually on the flight too? Are they hanging out in Atlantis with Jim Morrisson and Elvis right now?

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 September 2004 13:41 (nineteen years ago) link


for a mo there i thought that said 'hanging out with *alannis* , jim morrison and elvis...' and i thought jeck fire when did she die?

anyway yeah i *understand* the distinction between the two types of plane!!! but why would they want us to *say* that 'good gravy the capitol's under attack too!' if it weren't? - why?! get specific here.

piscesboy, Thursday, 9 September 2004 13:59 (nineteen years ago) link

well the plausible reason would be "they attacked the Pentagon (ie. where we plan wars) so it's really war" as if the WTC wouldn't be enough, maybe. I guess, I dunno, I don't really subscribe to the thinking that Bush/CIA/Mossad/whomever-ain't-al-Qaeda is responsible (though I do think Bush and the CIA, among other governmental forces/agencies are responsible in their irresponsibility).

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:18 (nineteen years ago) link

errr... my aunt worked at the pentagon and personally SAW the plane hit. so unless she's in it, too...
-- Yanc3y (ystrickle...), September 9th, 2004.

is your aunt secretly an illuminati/lizardmen agent?

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link

"why would they want us to *say* that 'good gravy the capitol's under attack too!' if it weren't? - why?!"

Spoonfeeding will begin at 12 o'clock sharp.

Don't miss it.

nader (nader), Thursday, 9 September 2004 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Why would they want us to think all of America is under attack...? Hmmm...perhaps to legitimize any and all warring activities from September 12, 2001-present? Perhaps?

Let's be clear - I'm not espousing this theory, I'm simply trying peel away at its layers.

IF WTC and Pentagon attacked, THEN war.
IF war, THEN more war on the basis of "terror" legitimacy.
IF more war on terror, THEN pick a spot in the Middle East so as to distance your nation from Saudi Arabia, but not so far as to lose influence (and/or oil).

All war, all the time makes it difficult for voters to legitimize "changing horses in mid-stream" - unless of course your horse wages war irresponsibly. But even if that horse is an ass, let that horse remind you repeatedly that - regardless of his innumerable gaffes - that he's the only horse that can carry you to safety. Please note, neither I nor the ass, erm, I mean horse said victory.

nader (nader), Thursday, 9 September 2004 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link

ok this theory is silly in umpteen ways anyway but that makes no sense

jones (actual), Thursday, 9 September 2004 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link

except in the sense that 'They' possess that wonderful streak of villainy specific to conspiracy-baddies, which depends on being a supergenius and a complete imbecile simultaneously

jones (actual), Thursday, 9 September 2004 15:53 (nineteen years ago) link

we're through the looking glass here, people.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

hey! i started a thread on this last week and no-one posted to it!

Conspiracy Theory: ILX hates me!!!

stevie (stevie), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link

"ok this theory is silly in umpteen ways anyway but that makes no sense"

which "theory"?

which "that"?


nader (nader), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link

To get meta for a bit, I find it interesting that the conspiracy mongers are hot and bothered over whether an airliner did/did not hit the Pentagon, when there are much more interesting conspiracies regarding 9/11 that don't require such a leap of logic.

For starters, whatever happened to the investigation into the mass airline/oil stock trading that occurred in the days before 9/11?

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 9 September 2004 18:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought a lot of those United options were cleared by the Feds but yeah, there hasn't been a lot of follow-up. American news media's got other fish to fry now, I guess.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 September 2004 18:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually this airliner v. Pentagon conspiracy is old news (i.e., I doubt conspiracy mongers are looking for the military hanger in which the airliner's passengers live...wait, isn't that called Biosphere?).

I remember reading about this airliner v. Pentagon theory what? Two years ago now?

I'm confident there are any number of interesting facts with which one could run off on one tangent or another, but like most conspiracy theories (e.g. the JFK assassination) we just don't want to believe something so simple (hi-jackers with box cutters or a wackjob with steady aim) could cause so much pain.

If, however, you're looking for more "objective facts, worthy questions and valuable insights that will make even skeptics realize that 9/11 was orchestrated and carried out by the Power Elite within our own government," George Humphrey's your man.

nader (nader), Thursday, 9 September 2004 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm interested in what were once conspiracies but have subsequently been proven to be the truth. does anyone have any examples of this? what was the prevailing believed truth before the actual truth was discovered?

cºzen (Cozen), Thursday, 9 September 2004 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link

There was a very interesting program on C4 last night about 9/11 Conspiracy theories, debunking some of them, and being unable to explain others of them. Must say that the "no plane hit the Pentagon despite all the eyewitnesses!" theory was the lamest and easily disproved of them all, so I guess that's why people are focusing on it.

All the other ones (like the insider trading mystery stence mentioned above) were much scarier and much more plausible. I was really intrigued by the woman who is taking the Bush Administration to court under anti-racketeering law, claiming that they had foreknowledge and did nothing.

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Friday, 10 September 2004 07:51 (nineteen years ago) link

three years pass...

Every time I make the mistake of participating in some friendly conversation in a coffee shop I wind up getting an earful of 9/11 conspiracy, federal reserve conspiracy, moon landing conspiracy, etc.. And I find it sort of frightening when a person seems cool and suddenly the conversation turns that way. It's not just that the person at the next table believes something you don't, it's that you suddenly feel like you're secretly their enemy.

Hurting 2, Friday, 28 March 2008 01:29 (sixteen years ago) link

you are!

El Tomboto, Friday, 28 March 2008 01:31 (sixteen years ago) link

maybe you should stop going to CUPPA TRUTHERS

remy bean, Friday, 28 March 2008 01:33 (sixteen years ago) link

man SO many music people believe the most ridiculous shit about this stuff

one learns to smile, nod & change the subject

J0hn D., Friday, 28 March 2008 01:38 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, one of the dudes I was talking to today was some kind of poet and the other one was a band guy

Hurting 2, Friday, 28 March 2008 01:42 (sixteen years ago) link

so glad I am a misanthrope who doesn't hang out with people any more

J0hn D., Friday, 28 March 2008 01:48 (sixteen years ago) link

word

El Tomboto, Friday, 28 March 2008 01:49 (sixteen years ago) link

thank god I only hang out with you guys on the internet

Hurting 2, Friday, 28 March 2008 01:49 (sixteen years ago) link

and I'm only half-joking! After the mindfuck I just underwent, your handles are like 12-point Times New Roman blue beacons of sanity.

Hurting 2, Friday, 28 March 2008 01:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Ok, so the lunar landing wasn't really faked. That was a story put out by the government to distract people by having the public talk about WHETHER the landing happened instead of what we FOUND there.

And do you know why?

Hurting 2, Friday, 28 March 2008 03:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Because if people on earth realized that there were aliens out there, we'd all just be humans! No more nationalism, and then the military industrial complex would dry up!

Hurting 2, Friday, 28 March 2008 03:05 (sixteen years ago) link

theres an interview with sammy hagar in the last revolver where he breaks down the 3 types of aliens that visit earth: robots, angels, and actual aliens.

chaki, Friday, 28 March 2008 03:11 (sixteen years ago) link

if only all the conspiracy people looked like this

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/07/30/marioncotillard_wideweb__470x312,0.jpg

gershy, Friday, 28 March 2008 03:13 (sixteen years ago) link

i'm currently visiting the states for the first time. i'd believe anything about you people.....

darraghmac, Friday, 28 March 2008 03:16 (sixteen years ago) link

darra did you know i once ate a british guy

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 28 March 2008 03:16 (sixteen years ago) link

conspiracy theories are awesome fun.

like comic books and video games.

gr8080, Friday, 28 March 2008 03:17 (sixteen years ago) link

HOOS, did an irish guy buy you a drink after?

darraghmac, Friday, 28 March 2008 03:22 (sixteen years ago) link

gr8080 otm
http://www.1290kowb.com/Images/Station%20Images/CoasttoCoastLogo.gif

^^nightly fix of conspiracy crackpots

chaki, Friday, 28 March 2008 03:28 (sixteen years ago) link

haha Richard K

W i l l, Friday, 28 March 2008 03:35 (sixteen years ago) link

theres an interview with sammy hagar in the last revolver where he breaks down the 3 types of aliens that visit earth: robots, angels, and actual aliens.

-- chaki, Friday, March 28, 2008 3:11 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

lol

doesn't he believe he was abducted?

latebloomer, Friday, 28 March 2008 05:32 (sixteen years ago) link

I was ok with my coworker in Chicago a few years who was a 9/11 conspiracy theory nut, until he got angry at me for something I said about Al Gore. It turns out he's a climate change conspiracy theory nut too. Then he sent me the link to some radio station that does nothing but take calls and agree with people who are into 9/11 and global warming conspiracy theories.

Z S, Friday, 28 March 2008 05:41 (sixteen years ago) link

I bet these people would be great conspiracy believers:

http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/27/823924.aspx

StanM, Friday, 28 March 2008 06:20 (sixteen years ago) link

four years pass...
three weeks pass...

Okay CONSPIRACY THEORISTS are totally multiplying thanks to social networking. Someone posted this today

http://www.naturalnews.com/036756_depopulation_agenda_eugenics_survivor.html

homosexual II, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 17:49 (eleven years ago) link

Eugenics conspiracy theories have spiked up ever since DARPA started spending on the BioDesign project

The Pentagon’s mad science arm may have come up with its most radical project yet. Darpa is looking to re-write the laws of evolution to the military’s advantage, creating “synthetic organisms” that can live forever — or can be killed with the flick of a molecular switch.

As part of its budget for the next year, Darpa is investing $6 million into a project called BioDesign, with the goal of eliminating “the randomness of natural evolutionary advancement.” The plan would assemble the latest bio-tech knowledge to come up with living, breathing creatures that are genetically engineered to “produce the intended biological effect.” Darpa wants the organisms to be fortified with molecules that bolster cell resistance to death, so that the lab-monsters can “ultimately be programmed to live indefinitely.”

Of course, Darpa’s got to prevent the super-species from being swayed to do enemy work — so they’ll encode loyalty right into DNA, by developing genetically programmed locks to create “tamper proof” cells. Plus, the synthetic organism will be traceable, using some kind of DNA manipulation, “similar to a serial number on a handgun.” And if that doesn’t work, don’t worry. In case Darpa’s plan somehow goes horribly awry, they’re also tossing in a last-resort, genetically-coded kill switch:

Develop strategies to create a synthetic organism “self-destruct” option to be implemented upon nefarious removal of organism.

The project comes as Darpa also plans to throw $20 million into a new synthetic biology program, and $7.5 million into “increasing by several decades the speed with which we sequence, analyze and functionally edit cellular genomes.”

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:31 (eleven years ago) link

I have to admit that I'm somewhat freaked out by the low-end bio-hacker movement. One nice side-effect of the ultra-right's anti-science position is that they've duped themselves into still believing that guns and religion are more effective of a weapon than genetics.

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:38 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

I think this one has legs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bntfUA6TmLs

polyphonic, Monday, 10 November 2014 21:12 (nine years ago) link

Won't say the f-word, but she will turn the can upside-down. Tsk, tsk.

pplains, Monday, 10 November 2014 21:15 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

Folks, I've read a lot of really weird stuff on the Internet but nothing like: http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2014/12/Furry.html

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 10 December 2014 05:36 (nine years ago) link

two years pass...

The Huffington Post has the details: you need to know where it all started.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/inside-knowledge-about-unidentified-aerial-phenomena_us_59dc1230e4b0b48cd8e0a5c7

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 13:05 (six years ago) link

It all started with award-winning platinum recording artist and producer Tom DeLonge,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY

the old rugged crocs (unregistered), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 13:35 (six years ago) link

five months pass...

A week ago:

I wonder (IE this is almost certainly bollocks) whether an increased belief in large-scale conspiracy theories is influenced by increased awareness of actual large-scale conspiracies, less Stonecutters-style centralisation than 'everyone knows but no-one says' that ensure that, say, African Americans are generally getting the worst end of the economy whether it's up or down, or women have been vulnerable whatever their level of fame.

― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 9 March 2018 15:41 (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yesterday:
https://verysmartbrothas.theroot.com/its-easy-to-believe-conspiracy-theories-when-your-count-1823714759

I means, I'm not saying there a connection, but if you can't see a connection, then I'm not sure what else I can say.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 16 March 2018 11:48 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

How many more examples are necessary?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 27 April 2018 06:44 (five years ago) link


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