What happened to your childhood sweetheart?

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I mean like kindergarten age.

Mine was called Zoe and she was the daughter of some friends of the family. She had this amazing climbing frame/obstacle course thing in her garden and her parents were really rich. We were playing on th climbing frame and she said "Adam, do you want to get married when we were older?". The climbing frame was so cool that I just said "yeah okay".

She is now a miserable accountant with a posh Hampstead flat. We are not married but talk maybe once a year or so.

adam. (nordicskilla), Saturday, 25 September 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

were older=get older

adam. (nordicskilla), Saturday, 25 September 2004 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Plays for Canadian National Women's Soccer team. Good for her.

LC, Saturday, 25 September 2004 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Her name was Selene. I googled her once. She's apparently into cross country skiing.
Her family was really snobby and so was she. Artsy fartsy, didn't own a TV etc.
Kids would call us the king and queen of snobs a la "School is Hell".
She never officially admitted to liking me but referred to me as her "squeeze" once.
We were the two smartest kids in our class for three years in a row. (3-5th grade)
My grades were slightly better than hers.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Saturday, 25 September 2004 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

A google search reveals that she is "pioneering paradigm shifts in thinking". She really liked owls as a kid.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 25 September 2004 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

The last thing I heard: a failed suicide attempt. That was about a year ago.

caitlin (caitlin), Saturday, 25 September 2004 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I googled her, and she apparently went to a UK university for biochemistry (she and her family moved back across the pond when we were both in high school). I would presume she's working in that field now.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Saturday, 25 September 2004 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks to Google, I now disturbingly know that my kindergarten sweetheart is now a Corporal in the army in Iraq, and is quoted in lots of articles that involve soldiers dying.

Laura E (laurae55), Saturday, 25 September 2004 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

My most Googleable one designs furniture and interior design from his shop on Madison Avenue which seems extremely Anglophile/WASP-friendly.

suzy (suzy), Saturday, 25 September 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

i had a dream last night that the first girl i kissed had died.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Saturday, 25 September 2004 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Well we were born within one hour of each other.
Our mothers said we could be sister and brother.
Your name is Deborah, Deborah.
It never suited ya.
Oh they thought that when we grew up,
we'd get married, and never split up.
We never did it, although often I thought of it.

Oh Deborah, do you recall?
Your house was very small,
with wood chip on the wall.
When I came around to call,
you didn't notice me at all.

I said let's all meet up in the year 2000.
Won't it be strange when we're all fully grown.
Be there at 2 o'clock by the fountain down the road.
I never knew that you'd get married.
I would be living down here on my own on
that damp and lonely Thursday years ago.

You were the first girl at school to get breasts.
Martyn said that yours were the best.
The boys all loved you but I was a mess.
I had to watch them trying to get you undressed.
We were friends but that was as far as it went.
I used to walk you home sometimes but it meant,
oh it meant nothing to you,
cos you were so popular.

Deborah do you recall?
Your house was very small,
with woodchip on the wall.
When I came around to call,
you didn't notice me at all.

I said let's all meet up in the year 2000.
Won't it be strange when we're all fully grown.
Be there at 2 o'clock by the fountain down the road.
I never knew that you'd get married.
I would be living down here on my own
on that damp and lonely Thursday years ago.

Oh yeah,
oh yeah.

Ah do you recall?
Your house was very small,
with wood chip on the wall.
When I came around to call,
you didn't notice me at all.

I said let's all meet up in the year 2000.
Won't it be strange when we're all fully grown.
Be there at 2 o'clock by the fountain down the road.
I never knew that you'd get married.
I would be living down here on my own,
on that damp and lonely Thursday years ago.
Oh what are you doing Sunday baby.
Would you like to come and meet me maybe?
You can even bring your baby.
Ohhh ooh ooh. Ooh ooh ooh ooh.
What are you doing Sunday baby.
Would you like to come and meet me maby?
You can even bring your baby.
Ooh ooh oh. Ooh ooh ooh ooh. Ooh ooh ooh ooh. Oh.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Saturday, 25 September 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha! That song is based on a real girl, from Sheffield, who came down to London and worked in the ICA about 10 years ago. She fancied herself political ie. she was a Revolutionary C0mmunist Party member.

suzy (suzy), Saturday, 25 September 2004 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

how do you know this?

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Saturday, 25 September 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Be there at 2 o'clock by the fountain down the road.

i've always heard this as "repair to the pub by the fountain down the road"

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Saturday, 25 September 2004 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)

how do you know this?

Amst, you've been here long enough! Suzy really does know all these people and things.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 September 2004 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

She was working in the bookshop of the ICA when I was doing a Riot Grrrl thing there, and cornered me in the café with her RCP spiel, that's how.

My first three years in London were lived in and around Pulp and St Etienne land. I'd met her before through my friend Selina who's the girl holding the sign on the cover of Fox Base Alpha and who is one of the (real) sisters in the first video for Babies.

Also, Pulp had a significant amount of friends who came down from Sheffield in the late 80s/early 90s when Jarvis and Steve began to study film at St. Martin's, all decidedly arty or musical themselves. I was friends with a lot of them and I had what could be called a flirtation with Jarvis' best friend after I split up with Mr Currie, and that's when I first met Jarvis.

In related trivia my friend Andrew, an architect, used to flatshare with the Common People girl with the 'thirst for knowledge'.

suzy (suzy), Saturday, 25 September 2004 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

More riot grrrl stories, plz!

adam. (nordicskilla), Saturday, 25 September 2004 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

London in 1990-94 was a very exciting place to be. People were smart, experimental and happy to show it.

suzy (suzy), Saturday, 25 September 2004 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I was there!

adam. (nordicskilla), Saturday, 25 September 2004 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

"man"!

adam. (nordicskilla), Saturday, 25 September 2004 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

although I would have been 16 at most. And I don't think I was smart or happy. I may have been "experimental" though. That's a very loose term.

adam. (nordicskilla), Saturday, 25 September 2004 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I never had a childhood sweetheart.

Towelette Pettatucci (Homosexual II), Saturday, 25 September 2004 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

awwwwwww

caitlin (caitlin), Saturday, 25 September 2004 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

i often wonder what became of her.

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 25 September 2004 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

My grade school crush is a very minor movie star. She played Carrie in The Rage: Carrie 2. Someone pointed me to obsessive fan sights devoted to her a few years back. I found these quite disturbing. I don't know if she's done anything since that movie.

mikef (mfleming), Sunday, 26 September 2004 01:48 (twenty-one years ago)

My childhood sweetheart and I are now kin.

Her widowered dad married my widowed mom.

She has a banking career and somehow has managed to grow a bit shorter. Of course, I still look perfect.

jim wentworth (wench), Sunday, 26 September 2004 03:09 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost I LOVED that movie! She made CDs fly around... IN RAGE.

creepy.

chrisco (chrisco), Sunday, 26 September 2004 03:13 (twenty-one years ago)

In related trivia my friend Andrew, an architect, used to flatshare with the Common People girl with the 'thirst for knowledge'.

hm, do you really think there was one specific person that inspired this song? i always figured it was a deliberate caricature, sort of a composite of the asshat slumming of sundry rich college students. actually i always balk at how *mean* that song is, but then, that's part of what makes it so effective. i also figure that the narrator in these songs is never quite "just jarvis"--there's a lot of jarvis in them, to be sure, but they are also obviously fictional creations, to a great extent.

anyway "disco 2000" has a weird narrative line. i'm never sure if the ambiguities in it are deliberate or just the result of this. what is the form of the lyric anyhow? he's addressing deborah, but he's telling her about her? is it like a soul-clearing letter to an old friend rehashing his whole emotional experience with her? or is it just a poetic device to nominally address deborah and be speaking to us, the listener? and while certain lines seem to be sung from the POV of *now* ("i never dreamed that you'd get married..."/"you can even bring your baby") others seem to be from the past (the whole "let's all meet up in the year 2000/won't it be strange when we're all fully grown" conceit that drives the chorus).


anyway, someone should post the lyrics that verse of "da art of storytellin' pt. 1" abt sasha.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 26 September 2004 03:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I too didn't have a childhood sweetheart, though it satisfies me greatly that several individuals from my childhood who made it hellish are so insignificant that they don't even show up on Google. And while I was doing the Google thing, I found out a couple of high school classmates of mine who were cool with me are doing some pretty cool things themselves these days. Ha ha, YOU GET WHAT YOU GIVE, etc.

Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Sunday, 26 September 2004 05:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Define cool.

adam. (nordicskilla), Sunday, 26 September 2004 05:28 (twenty-one years ago)

snoopy with shades

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 26 September 2004 05:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Joe cool!

adam. (nordicskilla), Sunday, 26 September 2004 05:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha ha ha ha.

Well, Adam, one of them was always this very artistic individual, and right now she's working as an artist, so I consider that cool. The other person, who I remember as being highly intelligent, is involved in biomedical research, which is also cool.

Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Sunday, 26 September 2004 05:38 (twenty-one years ago)

after we skipped the country at aged 9 i got the feeling i had been seriously in love with a girl called cherry (sister of a school friend) i think cos of all the letters i got she was the only one that signed "love" plus she was hawt!

went back to ye olde country when i was a late teen. did a pilgimmage and last saw her raking up the leaves at cherry cottage, on cherry lane.

my boyfriend didn't approve.

gaz (gaz), Sunday, 26 September 2004 05:41 (twenty-one years ago)

none of my friends ended up as artists. they ended up as computer programmers and lawyers and teachers and advertising agents. i think they are all cool.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 26 September 2004 05:43 (twenty-one years ago)

my friends are unemployed writers and osteopaths. they are cool, I suppose.

adam. (nordicskilla), Sunday, 26 September 2004 05:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Amateurist, Jarvis *always* starts out with someone specific to set the scene or tone in his lyrics. If you have it in you to write an essay about Pulp you really ought to have worked that one out by now.

suzy (suzy), Sunday, 26 September 2004 05:58 (twenty-one years ago)

essay?

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 26 September 2004 06:07 (twenty-one years ago)

katherine from 3rd grade: I can't find her.

my first real love (from 3rd grade until well into high school): traumatized me by trying to kill herself as a freshman in high school just before I moved (it had nothing to do with me), I wrote her love letters from california, we lost contact, I spoke to her again a few years ago though and she was a nurse and sounded like she was doing good. I hope she is.

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 26 September 2004 06:33 (twenty-one years ago)

jenny is now a nurse in the US: i have not seen her since we were both five and her mum and dad split up and they moved away across the county (the dad just moved his floozy new wife in)

my mum found the nurse thing out when her mum wrote my mum a letter to say that jenny's older brother had died of brain cancer :( :( :(

in our family photo album there is a pic of us both sitting together on an apple crate in the orchard

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 26 September 2004 09:34 (twenty-one years ago)

We lived together for six years, then got married. Six months later she left me for my best friend. :(

Adam Faithless (Adam Faithless), Sunday, 26 September 2004 10:54 (twenty-one years ago)

seven months pass...
he thinks and feels that i am a fool, a foo', hehe. i didn't profess to ever kissing him. i simply was in awe of his charisma and i do admit to staring at him often and....i'll spare you from any more details.

i never had a childhood sweetheart. duh?

hats, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)

My grade school crush is now a doctor. My first high school girlfriend? Research scientist. My long-time high-school girlfriend? Doctor.

And me? I'm on ILX.

slightly more subdued (kenan), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 00:06 (twenty-one years ago)

wow, creepy!

professor at georgia state. good on her!

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 00:11 (twenty-one years ago)

it says she's a motivational speaker but I know she isn't

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 00:15 (twenty-one years ago)

It disturbs me to realise I can recall guys in primary school I had a crush on (I loved the floppy blonde fringed boys who'd muck up and play armies and things), but I cant rememver even anyone's first name.

The first guy I did the hold hands and kiss and giggle thing with, I bumped into with my mum some time ago (hes the cousin of family friends of my parents) when we were at Canberra Airport. I didn't even twig it was him at all, and he looked totally bored and uninterested to see us really - he certainly expressed no interest or suprise in seeing me. So either he didnt realise who I was, or didnt care which is more likely.

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 00:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Its the proper first love(s) I am desperate to try and find. My first b/f Tony Della, I have not seen in 10+ years and really, badly want to catch up with. I miss him and would love to know what he's up to now. Ditto a guy called Bruce W1lliams0n, who if I've googled the right guy, is now a pediactric specialist or Dr or something at a Sydney hospital (which is pretty cool, he was only a nurse last time I saw him).

The 3rd is my old crush and high school friend/romantic fling David Laggner, who is an artist and I know has been to Melbourne in the recent past to do exhibitions - I am not googleproofing his name in the vague hope he might one day see this and try and contact me. 'Sif will happen tho :(

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, that last threadkillah post was a doozy.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 00:22 (twenty-one years ago)

as for him;;;no idea what ever became of him and whatever his profession is now. so..oops, what i saw was the fact that i hadn't actually answered the question. how creepy is that?

hatstance, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 00:57 (twenty-one years ago)

he married another girl who was the same age as us but in another kindy. he's an accountant and still lives in the small rural town where we grew up. doubtless they have kids and whatnot now. our lives took waaaaaay different paths.

gem (trisk), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 00:58 (twenty-one years ago)

she died in 2000.

strng hlkngtn, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 01:01 (twenty-one years ago)

It sounds like most childhood sweethearts are wildly successful.

um, xpost!

Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 01:02 (twenty-one years ago)

well, that was my teenage sweetheart. my elementary age sweetheart i still do not know, pace earlier in the thread.

strng hlkngtn, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 01:03 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry for killing the "vibe".

strng hlkngtn, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 01:04 (twenty-one years ago)

i wish i could remember how to spell her tricky last name because it's pretty unique so i bet she'd be easily googleable.

strng hlkngtn, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 01:05 (twenty-one years ago)

that is kinda sad strng. but i think in a poignant way thus in keeping with the vibe of the thread.

It sounds like most childhood sweethearts are wildly successful.

when i said we took different paths, actually i'm wildly more successful on the career and academic front, though i suppose it depends on your definition of success. oddly as we were equally the overachievers of our primary school - but then i went off to boarding school in the city and that all changed. however he has stayed in our hometown and followed the more traditional marriage and kids path whereas i live in the city, am widely travelled and remain single. so according to my mum, he is wildly more successful haha.

gem (trisk), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 01:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know what happened to my kindergarten crush after I moved. My third grade crush lives in Jacksonville and works for Papa John's Pizza. My girlfriend from 8th grade is now a professional drag king and has already been married and divorced.

Ian Riese-Moraine's Plateau Rouge! (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

He married a girl he met in college, and as far as I know, they're living happily in the northwest. I have no idea what he does or if they have children - I emailed him a year ago and he expressed his need to not be in contact with me anymore.

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

She wasn't a sweetheart as such, more my first proper best friend. It seems via google that her name is the same as one of the characters in "Drop Dead Gorgeous".

(we did actually hang out a bit when we were 15 - it turned out she was at school with a friend of mine who re-introduced us. She was nice, but a bit spacy, and intimidated me slightly as she was a lot cooler than me, smoked weed and had had sex. We didn't try very hard to form a proper friendship, and I haven't seen her for 15 years).

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

my first "girlfriend" (6th grade, all we ever did was play basketball at her house, never even held hands I think) apparently got shitfaced at our 20th reunion last summer and danced too close with a married classmate, which started a punchup girlfight on the dancefloor. the police were involved.

my, she was yar

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I still see him around occasionally, alternating between being a union organizer, being in the Israeli army, and doing every drug known to man.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Plays Professional Women's Soccer!

Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I tried to find the girl I had a crush on for two years in middle school but the only person with her name I could find lives in Arkansas, which seemed weird since she was British, but then I found a picture and it's definitely not her.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

oh jesus mine turned up in a club about a month ago. she had gotten married, kids, and she was really excited to see me. Me on the other hand was dubious.

She gave me her phone nummber and everything. I [will] never rang.

Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 26 May 2005 07:22 (twenty-one years ago)

It'd be easy if only I could remember their last names. Vice versa: they can discover I could be a lesbian. But that's not me, just someone with the same name.

nathalie's baby (stevie nixed), Thursday, 26 May 2005 07:49 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't know.

N_RQ, Thursday, 26 May 2005 07:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't have any childhood sweethearts. I had the same problems then as I do now.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 26 May 2005 07:51 (twenty-one years ago)

she works in the nursing/health department of a western australian university.

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Thursday, 26 May 2005 07:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Marcello, I only ever had a few in kindergarten and elementary school. My mom actually threw one out cause he was (dry!)humping me. I didn't have one in highschool though. There were a few boys - one in particular - who had a crush on me but I failed to either see this or pursue it.

I was a big slut though. ;-) When my parents went to check an apartment when I was about three, I was snogging the son of the owner. hahaha My parents were so ashamed.

nathalie's baby (stevie nixed), Thursday, 26 May 2005 07:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Good grief. The concept of snogging would have been as alien to me at the age of three as...er, as it is at the age of 41.

I had several opportunities through primary and grammar school of which I failed to take advantage - including someone who is currently to be seen regularly on daytime television - mainly because of (a) my pre-existing problems; (b) a stupid and unrequited crush I had throughout nearly all of my grammar school life; and (c) I tended to fancy the teachers rather than my fellow pupils.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 26 May 2005 08:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I found her last week on myspace (friend advised me to look her up on there when I wouldn't shup up about her). I found her along with my 1st grade crush as well. Been talking to her all week until she got bored with me. Do You Remember, Walter?

Cunga (Cunga), Thursday, 26 May 2005 08:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, that song is the biggest argument against Friends Reunited I can think of.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 26 May 2005 08:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Good grief. The concept of snogging would have been as alien to me at the age of three as...er, as it is at the age of 41.

I know! I think I just copied what I had seen people do, or more specifically, my parents. I don't think I realized what I was doing exactly!

nathalie's baby (stevie nixed), Thursday, 26 May 2005 08:27 (twenty-one years ago)

What will you do if your kid starts (un)knowingly snogging at the age of three?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 26 May 2005 08:40 (twenty-one years ago)

It was just a one time occurrence. :-) But what would I do? God, I'm already freaking out over this. I don't know. I'd probably be too shocked to do anything. It wasn't really *snogging*, just pretending to.

nathalie's baby (stevie nixed), Thursday, 26 May 2005 09:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Christ, how can you all remember the names of your childhood sweethearts? I had one in kindergarten, but I can't even remember her first name, let alone the second. What I do remember is that she was blonde, and tat our relationship was really intense. We even had a fake wedding, with me in a suit and her in a white dress and all. My mom might still have a picture of this.

Googling the name of my first "real" girlfriend results in no hits. I haven't seen her ever since we broke up, so I have no idea what happened to her.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 26 May 2005 09:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Personally, I remember names better than faces, Tuomas.

Ian Riese-Moraine's Plateau Rouge! (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 26 May 2005 12:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Sharon Bishop. Gorgeous. Loved me. Moved to somewhere else.
We were seven.

(sniff)

piscesboy, Thursday, 26 May 2005 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)


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