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Punch-up at tomb of Jesus

Allyn Fisher-Ilan in Jerusalem
Tuesday September 28, 2004
The Guardian

Fistfights broke out yesterday between Christians gathered on the site of the crucifixion and burial of Jesus Christ.
"There was lots of hitting going on. Police were hit, monks were hit ... there were people with bloodied faces," said a witness in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem, reputed to be Golgotha where Christ was crucified, and the site of the tomb where he was buried.

The punch-up erupted during a procession to mark the discovery in 327 by Helena, mother of Constantine, of the True Cross.

A Greek Orthodox cleric said Franciscans had left open their chapel door in what was taken as disrespect. Priests and worshippers hit one another at the doorway dividing Orthodox and Franciscans, said a police spokesman.

Arrests were made but nobody was seriously hurt.

"This is supposed to be a festive time," said Pandelemos, an Orthodox cleric afterward at the site of the tomb.

"We are all Christians, and there is nothing to fight about," said David Khoury, a Franciscan.

The row was the latest in a series of disputes at the church, where six Christian denominations guard rights laid down in an Ottoman law of 1757 to separate parts of the Romanesque building, built by Crusaders in 1149 on the earlier Byzantine basilica.

Two years ago, Ethiopian and Copt monks threw stones at each other over rights to the church roof.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 13:05 (twenty-one years ago)

There was lots of hitting going on.

Love the wording here. It's like something out of The Life of Brian.

― Lara (Lara), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I like the bit about the monks throwing stones at each other. Surely religious men haven't thrown stones at each other since they were lobbing them at St Stephen?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 13:27 (twenty-one years ago)

"Don't you turn your cheek at me!"

― Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)

They've been too busy abusing children and young adults to throw stones this past while.

"We are all Christians, and there is nothing to fight about," said David Khoury, a Franciscan.

Pure insanity!

― Lara (Lara), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 13:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Can I point out this fight broke out because A DOOR WAS LEFT OPEN IN A DISRESPECTFUL WAY.

Best news story ever.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 13:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Out context: The punch-up erupted (during a procession) to mark the discovery in 327 by Helena, mother of Constantine, of the True Cross.

― Lara (Lara), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 13:33 (twenty-one years ago)

A DOOR WAS LEFT OPEN IN A DISRESPECTFUL WAY.

A big bucket of holy water had been placed at the top in order to drench any unsuspecting Greek Orthodox guys who might pop into the Franciscan chapel

― Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Grrrrrrrr. I HATE FATHER DICK BURN!

― Ted Crilley (Matt DC), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 13:40 (twenty-one years ago)

"We are all Christians, and there is nothing to fight about," said David Khoury, a Franciscan

Wow, is he ever naive

― Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Nuns -vs- Monks in toilet-seat-being-left-up melee.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 13:42 (twenty-one years ago)

That Jesus dude must be spinning in his grave right about now. Oh wait.. he's not there!

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 13:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Crosspost

Well, he was, right there.

― Lara (Lara), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

so i wonder who the two non-stone throwing christian sects who live there are...

Russian Orthodox and Anglican?

just guesses...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 13:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I blame the meek.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 13:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Crosspost

I had to read this a few times. It's still early here.

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 13:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Well the Wee Frees must be one of them surely

― Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 13:46 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.musicclub.it/Luglio2000/images/artisti/joe_meek._1.jpg

"what have i done to incur the blame of La Baz?"

― Brigadier Rainham Steele, Mrs (blueski), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 13:49 (twenty-one years ago)

"Blessed are the meek: for they shall blow their landlady's head clean of her shoulders before turning the shotgun on themselves"

― Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

When religious men get ANGRY!

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

so i wonder who the two non-stone throwing christian sects who live there are...

Syrian Catholics and some kind of Armenian church? doesn't the Old City still have an Armenian quarter?

― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Matthew 10:34
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword"

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

"or, if a sword's not handy, a pile of rocks."

― briania (briania), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Blessed are the peacemakers.

― Lara (Lara), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

the cheesemakers?

(sorry)

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

piece-makers
http://thm-br1r2.search.vip.scd.yahoo.com/image/18747423

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

.... "You are Peter, and on this roquefort I will build my Church."

― Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

that is what happens when you get so many people without sin congregating together - stones getting thrown all over the place¡

― dysøn (dyson), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

this thread has made me laugh out loud three times, am i going to hell?

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, you're going to hell - but for too much masturbation, not anything on this thread

― Saint Peter (caitlin), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Blessed be this thread.

― Lara (Lara), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...

Out context: The punch-up erupted (during a procession) to mark the discovery in 327 by Helena, mother of Constantine, of the True Cross.

What do you think about the argument that Constentine made that up to maintain good relations with his political ally the christian church, built them many churches on "meaningful" locations so he could upgrade his title from "murderer" (he killed his wife, son and nefiew) to the niftier one of "13th apostle"?

― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

It's probably something of that nature

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Qui est Constentine?

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 22:07 (twenty-one years ago)

No, I'm absolutely convinced that it was the one true cross - I mean, how could anyone possibly mistake it for another, non-true, cross?

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Didn't she also find the spear that pierced His side on that little safari?

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 23:17 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.goarch.org/en/resources/clipart/icons/Constantine_Helen.jpg

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 23:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Constantin était un militaire, fils d'empereur, obsédé par l'ordre publique. Il a réunifié l'empire romain en faisant du christianime la religion d'état: une religion qui enseigne que les gens au pouvoir détiennent leur pouvoir de dieu alors leur désobéir en revient à désobéir à dieu... Cette stratégie s'avéra assez pratique pour administrer son immense empire anonciateur de l'hitlérisme.

Didn't she also find the spear that pierced His side on that little safari?

The church also claimed she found the titulus. Like Jesus himself, the titulus is a fiction: there are 3 different description of that thing in their holy book, but fine nose that she had, she found the right one. All of this shows a certain malaise the church have @ not having any material historical proofs to legitimize their power. somokescreens to legitimize folklore is funny, it's like if some irakian sect would say they are the real deal because they found a fossilized crap of Pazuzu.

― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 00:45 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.mushrush.com/randomfat/fite.jpg

― martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 00:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Qui est Constentine?

Seb, I was ribbing you for a wee spelling inorthodoxy.

Cette stratégie s'avéra assez pratique pour administrer son immense empire anonciateur de l'hitlérisme. This is 20/20 hindsight provocative nonsense and the use of the word 'anonciateur' (harbinger) shocks me with its originally religious overtones. It wasn't his empire, he just took it over. Caesaropapism might be a fuxored system but then there's a 1,700 year gap filled with religious, economic, social and political development to be considered before you try and judge the victor of Milvian Bridge so summarily. BTW, the evangelical protestant crowd don't think much of your man, Constantine, nor his mum.

Tu feras ce qui bon te semble mais ton anti-christianisme me parait presq’une manie parfois, et moi je suis un athée. De toute façon, ce n’est pas par des attaques que l’on minera la morale des chrétiens, qui adorent se sentir persecutés et martyrs. Ce sera par l’heureux example du libertinage et par l’usage adroit de l’esprit.

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)

That last picture completely sums up my current feelings about religion. Maybe I will use it on my desk-top at work when nobody is looking.

― RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 01:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Is the dragon masturbating?

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Is the dragon masturbating?

No.

― martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 01:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Is the dragon making a bet on the Showcase Showdown?

― kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 01:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Is the dragon making a bet on the Showcase Showdown?

Nope. It's nothing but a straight-up robot vs dragon fite. It's just in an "early Christian" stylee, that's all. The original and famousest doodle has been remixed, but its context has not been changed. (I hope.)

― martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 01:41 (twenty-one years ago)

now i'm disappointed. there just isn't enough religious iconography involving Mark Goodson Productions.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 01:42 (twenty-one years ago)

But either way the dragon's definitely not rubbing one out. Those two detached sticklike things which intersect with the outside of the circle at approximately 1:00 and 10:00 are the dragon's arms.

― martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 01:43 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not a Mark Goodson production, it's a mark s production.

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 01:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Earlier versions of this image (symbolizing ILX's sacred rites of poppism vs. rockism) can be seen here.

― j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 01:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Thank both of you. I was really trying hard not to start a flame war about ILX iconography recognition.

BUT FER CHRISSAKE PEOPLE, PLEASE!

― martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 02:04 (twenty-one years ago)

is tankpus the holy ghost??

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 02:09 (twenty-one years ago)

No, that's Chickenbear.

― j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 02:19 (twenty-one years ago)

ton anti-christianisme me parait presq’une manie parfois

habituellement j'crois être assez équilibré à ce niveau là mais pour le revival of this thread it's true, I have to say it was a bit bizzaro: I came back home tired and weary, fell in the sofa and I don't know why but I had left this thread open on my monitor, I found myself sketching an answer to "wake myself up", or something.

De toute façon, ce n’est pas par des attaques que l’on minera la morale des chrétiens, qui adorent se sentir persecutés et martyrs. Ce sera par l’heureux example du libertinage et par l’usage adroit de l’esprit.

Je suis d'accord, c'est une question de beauté dans le style. Je dirais que le style de pensée que je trouve le plus beau est aérien, dansant, libertaire, avec une morale conséquente, ayant le corps comme fondement.

― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 03:03 (twenty-one years ago)

There are 12 apostles and 13 of them are buried in Germany.

― MarkH Luther (MarkH), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

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