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― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 13:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Stewart appeared on Bill O'Reilly's "The O'Reilly Factor" only to be told his viewers are "stoned slackers" and "dopey kids."

Who vote. Don't forget that, Bill.

― Gold Teeth II (kenan), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)

"You know what's really frightening?" O'Reilly asked Stewart. " You actually have an influence on this presidential election. That is scary, but it's true."

OMG O'Reilly *dreams* about having Stewart's clout and wakes up with a raging hard on and then bursts into tears.

― Gold Teeth II (kenan), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Did anyone see Stewart vs. Ralph Reed last night? If that's the best Dubya's got arguing for him, jeez. I only hope Kerry's half as good.

― Formerly Lee G (Formerly Lee G), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I missed it! more details, please! I was surprised to see matt lauer interveiw karen hughes on the today show yesterday. he was shockingly harsh, and was pushing her to admit that the "flip-flopping" went both ways. she seemed quite unprepared for lauer to ask real questions, as was i.

― Emilymv (Emilymv), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 14:02 (twenty-one years ago)

bill vs jon transcript: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132946,00.html

― g--ff (gcannon), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

O'REILLY: But you do have some influence. Now, how do you see that? You have influence. John Kerry bypassed me and went right over to you. You're only four blocks away. He said, "O'Reilly, I don't think so. Stewart, I'm going to go talk to you."

STEWART: Well, I have to tell you -- and again, I mean no disrespect, but the snack selection backstage, quite frankly...

O'REILLY: Yeah, it's...

(CROSSTALK)

STEWART: You know, I don't want to shake Guantanamo Bay, but it's a little spare back there.

― g--ff (gcannon), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

The highlight of the Reed thing: After torturing Reed a bit with the whole job-creation thing, he asks about Iraq. He was a big invade-Afghanistan guy, Stewart says, but this Iraq thing sorta seems like a diversion--I believe that's the word he used. Reed launches into this whole bullshit spiel about how Saddam had invaded two other sovereign nations (Iran in the early '80s and Kuwait over a decade ago), had fired SCUD missiles into Saudi Arabia and Israel (again, over a decade ago). As he continues using this litany of ancient history to justify the invasion, Stewart starts interjecting "Since 9/11?" between each of Reed's bullet points. Stewart had seemed to be stifling a lot sardonic laughter up until that moment, but he wasn't laughing then.

I know he regularly refers to the show as "the fake news," but it was weird to see an anchor at a desk talking to a dead-serious guest and then breaking the journo-objectivity fourth-wall. Weird, but cool.

― Formerly Lee G (Formerly Lee G), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

America has invaded two sovereign nations since 9/11, too, ya know.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

My favorite moment was when Reed was talking about the bad, dangerous dictator, and Stewart put up a finger as if to say "Ah-ha! I know what you're getting at!" and said "Kim Jong-Il!"

― Gold Teeth II (kenan), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 15:00 (twenty-one years ago)

"O'REILLY: ... And he probably wants to get hair tips from you. Look at that hair. It's great."

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Formerly Lee G - I'm pretty sure Stewart actually said "Since '91?" which makes it even more of a burn.

When I see Stewart conduct awesome interviews like that, it just makes me more frustrated that he's so determined in his own media relations to insist he's just a comedian with no influence. The fact is, he's the ONE fucking journalist who will call these asshole talking-points zombies on their lies! I loved watching Reed squirm, man.

― Taxi Dancing in the Soft Prison (Ben Boyer), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Could very well be--we had the sound low so's not to wake the kid.

Well, as an ostensible journo, I can tell you I was/often am a little scandalized by objectivity tells like the stifled laughter. But scandalized in a good way, I guess. The media, at least in the U.S., is in this weird spot these days where one must pretend to objectivity even though no one believes you're objective--even when you're doing your best to be so. Stewart's approach isn't journalism, per se, and he's not pretending it is. A good thing on both counts, perhaps.

― Formerly Lee G (Formerly Lee G), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

He's having his cake, etc.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

HE IS HAVING TEH CAKE!

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Well that certainly makes the "and eating it too" bit fairly yarky.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Comedy falls down once you've committed to one side or another. So Stewart insists it's all just yuks, and that's why they make attempts to go after Kerry, too. There's just not as much material there with Kerry.

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)

the kim jong-il bit had me in stitches.

― Cripps Pink (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

i liked the way that stewart just dismissively went "uh huh," "uh huh," "uh huh" in between every one of reed's bullet points

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 17:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't decide if he's having his cake and eating it too, or deciding not to have cake at all.

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Was Reed trying to say that Bush will get his ass handed to him in the debates? Cause that's what he said. Maybe he was trying to do an end-run around the debates before they even happen. "He's not a debater, he's a leader."

― Gold Teeth II (kenan), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

he's a lover not a fighter

no wait

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

There was a small article on the wire yesterday about Comedy Central taking offence to O'Reilly's reference to "stoned slackers."
According to their research, the average viewer of the Daily Show is much more likely to have completed four years of college than Factor viewers.

― Bruce S. Urquhart (BanjoMania), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

feh. Probably got a liberal arts degree. Stoners.

― Gold Teeth II (kenan), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6117542/

― Gold Teeth II (kenan), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, for better or worse "stoned slackers" of the Comedy Central variety goes pretty much hand in hand with "college attendees." It's only once you're working on the post-graduate degree that you move up to Cartoon Network.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)

NABISCO OTM

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:16 (twenty-one years ago)

where do Boomerang viewers fall on this spectrum?

― Cripps Pink (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:25 (twenty-one years ago)

nabisco eerily otm

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Standard tactic: Raise expectations for the other guy, lower them for your guy. Both sides are doing it as hard as they can.

― Formerly Lee G (Formerly Lee G), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I am unfamiliar with this tactic. Does this work anything like removing earwax with a big stick of wax?

― Gold Teeth II (kenan), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:30 (twenty-one years ago)

makes sense to me.

tell people bush is at an unfair dysadvantage in the debate and everyone will be wowed when he pronounces most of the big words correctly.

― dysøn (dyson), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:37 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe they should give him extra time to answer the questions

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Nono they should have a chess clock!

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Though this would deteriorate as Bush started answering points with "yo momma (ting!)".

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

i've found that once you enter academia as a prof, yr tv viewing is restricted to either the creations of ken burns or dick wolf (law and order). of course the cultural theory profs only watch reality shows and mtv.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

There's also a wonderful tier of PBS-local programming that seems dedicated solely to academics and weird one-issue highfaluting laypeople; you can tell which ones they are because their names sound like academic journals. Some weekends I watch "Religion and Ethics Weekly," "Inside Albany," and something or other they have about women. I don't have cable.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

(Really, I don't know who tunes in for a weekly four-person commentator panel about women's issues; I'm fairly certain it's not just average women.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

"religion and ethics newsweekly" kicks ass!!

― Cripps Pink (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

It's totally enthralling, yes. Maybe it's just warming to see perfectly secular discussions of religion like that.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

"Inside Women" would be quite a hit.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I've been watching America's Top New Model, which, surprisingly, often deals with religion and ethics, as well as full, pouting lips.

― Bruce S. Urquhart (BanjoMania), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

"Inside Women" would be quite a hit.
Lux Interior to thread.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't have a tv! i'm glad right now, though. but i'll have to go to someone else's place to watch the presidential debates.

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

"religion and ethics newsweekly" kicks ass!!

I agree. Maybe we can send excerpts of this thread to their producers so they can continue to get funding.

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:53 (twenty-one years ago)

i was v. v. impressed with reed, hes smart, hes agressive, and he belives his own lines, that authenticity is under rated and will go a fairly long way.

now why the fuck wasnt stewart as harsh on kerry as he was on reed and whos putting money on dubya showing b4 nov.

― anthony, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:58 (twenty-one years ago)

do you know who ralph reed is, anthony?

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 21:04 (twenty-one years ago)

speaking of cake-eating:

Are liberals ivory-tower elitists or are they stoned slackers?

― dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 21:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I was impressed with Reed too -- not by anything he said of course -- but by he was calm when his opinions were challenged and he gave eloquent, clear answers.
Stewart seemed as though he was tripping over his own words, and kept jumping from point to point awkwardly.
To someone who knew nothing about politics (or couldn't speak English), it would have looked like Stewart was the confused questioner and Reed was the confident responder.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 21:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Anthony, are you a Karl Rove fan too?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)

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this stewart/o'reilly transcipt has made my day
Hyperlinks to the transcript, please?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 30 September 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

up above.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 30 September 2004 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)

...in the clouds...

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 30 September 2004 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Jon Stewart was on NPR's Fresh Air today. they should have an archive of it w/in 48 hours.

― Lt. Kingfish Del Pickles (Kingfish), Thursday, 30 September 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

and they quoted him saying "douchebag"!

― Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Thursday, 30 September 2004 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

jon stewart deserves a purple heart for beating down rudolph giuliani.

― Symplistic (shmuel), Friday, 1 October 2004 05:48 (twenty-one years ago)

i want to hear more about that...!

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 1 October 2004 05:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish I could remember specifically waht he said .. Jon kicked Rudy's ass... Everything Rudy said to defend Bush, Jon shot down & dismissed as spin.. it was beautiful..

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 1 October 2004 10:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Re: The undecided voters. When Smamntha Bee asked the girl, "How the fuck to get dressed in the morning?" I'm still chuckling.

― Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 1 October 2004 14:22 (twenty-one years ago)

My husband said that I sound like Samantha Bee during that undecided voters piece.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Friday, 1 October 2004 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

'to get' should read 'do you' up there. That piece and Jon reaming Giuliani had me in the best mood I've been in for some time.

― Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 1 October 2004 18:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Giuliani came off as so slimy during that interview.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Friday, 1 October 2004 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

He came off as a mindless droid regurgitating the party line and worse, thinking he was going to get away with it.

― Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 1 October 2004 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost

I know. I've heard Giuliani sound intelligent and sincere before (usually when he's at his most brutal), but last night he sounded almost coerced.

― Gold Teeth II (kenan), Friday, 1 October 2004 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I watched a couple of these this mornings, and so now I'm thinking some of the reaming/takedown language on this thread is just the slightest bit overstated. Good nonetheless, though. The one thing I wish is that Stewart would quit following up his sharper retorts with a "just kidding" or a subject change, the way he did with Giuliani; it's maybe a good tactic for getting the last word in, and for reassuring guests that they're not really in a hot or hostile spot, but it's also just somewhat depressing. Surely he can be snarky around the margins and actually press a point, or leave someone on the hook for at least a few seconds.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 1 October 2004 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Giuliani's Daily Show talking points were pretty much verbatim what he offered the Fox News audience not 15 minutes earlier.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 1 October 2004 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Reaming is too strong, but I thought Jon actually stuck it to Giuliani longer than he generally does to his guests and not just for the yucks too. Rudi wasn't quite expecting that and you could see it threw him off guard a bit.

― Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 1 October 2004 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

The one thing I wish is that Stewart would quit following up his sharper retorts with a "just kidding" or a subject change, the way he did with Giuliani

i think that's part of Jon's personality; he has an almost pathological manner of self-deprecation, manifesting itself to the point where it undercuts some of the force of his points.

― Lt. Kingfish Del Pickles (Kingfish), Friday, 1 October 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Furthermore, if he didn't do that, people wouldn't be as into his show (which, after all, is a comedy show).

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Friday, 1 October 2004 21:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I agree with Dan. If he were more overtly political or partisan, he would actually lose not only laughs but influence.

― Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 1 October 2004 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

And future guests.

― nickn (nickn), Friday, 1 October 2004 22:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Re: The undecided voters. When Smamntha Bee asked the girl, "How the fuck to get dressed in the morning?" I'm still chuckling.

haha I was gonna mention the same thing last night, but thought it would just be me who found it funny.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 1 October 2004 22:20 (twenty-one years ago)

The Helms/Corddry analysis was absolutely brilliant-
"Rob, what's the mood over there at the Bush camp?" "Triumph, Jon, orgasmic triumph!"
"The Kerry campaign would like to remind America that the Senator was raised in France by a pack of homosexual billionares."
"An amazing accomplishment for a president whom, as the Bush team points out, is by some standardized test results, technically retarded."

Fucking hilarious.

― lemin (lemin), Friday, 1 October 2004 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

hit me up on soulseek if anybody wants to see the vid of last night's ep.

Samantha Bee's question->rant to the group of undecided voters:

"...how the BLEEP do you dress yourself in the morning?! you can't make any decisions! [now doing the seinfeld thing] they're so godBLEEP different! i dont--BLEEP this! i don't know how to BLEEEP process this. They're totally BLEEPing different! how can you NOT decide?...*big sigh*. Well! thank you all for coming out. I'm just gunna go drown myself in a bucket. So, thank you. Thank you for that."

― Lt. Kingfish Del Pickles (Kingfish), Saturday, 2 October 2004 07:34 (twenty-one years ago)

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Furthermore, if he didn't do that, people wouldn't be as into his show (which, after all, is a comedy show).
-- Dan Perry '08 (djperr...), October 1st, 2004.

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I agree with Dan. If he were more overtly political or partisan, he would actually lose not only laughs but influence.
-- Michael White (Sanmichel...), October 1st, 2004.

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And future guests.
-- nickn (nickn62...), October 1st, 2004.

It's good strategery on Stuart's part.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 2 October 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, O'Reilly yells at and abuses his guests all the time and they keep coming back for more abuse. So being rude to your guests doesn't seem to make the guests go away.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 3 October 2004 02:16 (twenty-one years ago)

just because i am impressed by reed (and yes by rove) doesnt mean i like them or agree w. anything they say.

reed and rove are the enemy, they seek the destruction of a life that i live and would like to continue to live.

i just want to know who my enemies are, and how to fight them...never underestimate the damage that can be done by those who hate you.

i thot this was so obv. that i didnt need to state it

(and the log cabin comment was borderline homophobic)

― anthony, Sunday, 3 October 2004 06:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Go back on AIM Anthony

― David Allen (David Allen), Sunday, 3 October 2004 07:38 (twenty-one years ago)

im not sure what that means david

― anthony, Sunday, 3 October 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

he means to click the little yellow walky-dude icon, probly

― Lt. Kingfish Del Pickles (Kingfish), Sunday, 3 October 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

but why, im not that interesting
is he mocking me

― anthony, Monday, 4 October 2004 03:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Anthony, it's well known that you have been greatly missed.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 4 October 2004 03:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Perhaps he meant 'come' rather than 'go'.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 4 October 2004 07:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Welcome back to ILE, Anthony. It's really virulent and evil now and should probably be killed.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Nah. Mostly it's just juvenile.

― Gold Teeth II (kenan), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

You're both right!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 4 October 2004 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)

There's also been a rather musty smell about lately.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 4 October 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

i think i was mean to anthony. sometimes his political opinions rile me. but anthony is hella cool and sweet. so i apologize if i said something stupid.

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Monday, 4 October 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I think he's terribly partisan, it takes a little of the enjoyment away for me even though I don't like Bush either. And my Republican friends have quit watching it in the last year...I'm not sure how I feel about that, in terms of its influence; I think it's narrowing perhaps.

― Maria (Maria), Monday, 4 October 2004 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I think once there is a democrat in office (or a republican not quite as loathsome as bush) Stewart will revert back to normal.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 4 October 2004 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I really don't think it's that partisan, honestly.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Monday, 4 October 2004 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't think they're all that partisan. he'll happily go after Kerry(see the 29th). it's just that one side is currently in power right now(and spreading a lot of bullshit whilst doing so), so they get the flak...

again, once the other party is in office, they'll get shit, too...

― Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Monday, 4 October 2004 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

yikes, tonight is about as strident as I remember the Daily Show ever getting

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 04:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sorry to keep asking, but what happened tonight?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 04:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Stewart actually looked pissed when he was describing the "global test" talking point and generally just went after the GOP. It calmed down pretty quickly after that.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 04:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know why that should be a talking point. I heard Condoleeza Rice, among three other Republicans say the words "Global Test" just last night. I saw a clip of it on the Daily show. Republicans want FRANCE to decide whether or not we go to war!

― dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I've never seen the show, but Morrissey said in Boston I think that he thinks Jon Stewart should be president, but that he wouldn't make it bc he is too short, about 3 and a half inches, and that no one has ever seen him standing.

― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know why that should be a talking point.

I think it's pretty clear -- it's an easy phrase to attach negative thoughts to. They can easily spin it so that Kerry said that we need approval from every nation on earth before we do anything.

Republicans want FRANCE to decide whether or not we go to war!

You mean Democrats. And yes, that is the implication.

― Gold Teeth II (kenan), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

im not sure what that means david
-- anthony (anthony.easto...), October 3rd, 2004.

http://www.uweb.ucsb.edu/~scopatz/comp/hal-9000.jpg

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I was just kidding. The Republicans took the comment out of context. So when they said the words "Global Test" I took their words out of context as well. Tit for tat, 'n'at.

― dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

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