Communal Trash Rooms in Apartment buildings - a question of conduct.

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Yeah, it's another quasi-compaint thread from me. But hear me out (before you ball up your fists, TOMBOT!) I live in a co-op in Manhattan. We live on the fifth floor amidst about thirteen other apartments. All these apartments on our floor share one "rubbish room"...a small, closet-sized room with a chute that leads to greater trash facility (like the trash compactor in the Death Star, only without a big slithery creature). Apart from the chute, there is also space to leave recyclables (bottles, newspapers) and sundry other items (empty cardboard boxes, etc.) Now, invariably, from time to time, people "abuse" the rubbish room....and leave items that clearly don't belong in there (boxes filled with used and pungent kitty litter, etc.) There seems to be some sort've feud going on between a few neighbors, as a tactic of dragging certain trash out of the rubbish room and leaving it in front of people's doors is becoming a regularity. Before you ask, no -- this hasn't happened to us. Howevever, I find it really petty. So, I'm thinking of tackin' up this note. Haven't done it yet, but I'd be curious to hear your thoughts. It reads....

Want to know what really stinks? Seeing trash in the hallway! I don't care WHOSE trash it is! Keep it out of the halway. If you think people are abusing our communal rubbish room, write that person a note and slip it under their door. Dragging the trash out into the hall punnished EVERYONE, solves NOTHING and makes our building look like a low-income housing project. It's petty, juvenile and just as inconsiderate as what you're accusing your neighbor of doing. LET'S STOP IT!

So, am I just being a whiney Felix Unger?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

No way man, trash is hallways is never good.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

is the last part part of the note?

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

it may as well be.

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Passive agressive housemates..

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Professor Challenger (ex machina), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

nah, the felix unger allusion is not part of the note....like it would matter.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

By the way, I'm not talking about housemates but rather ARGUABLY RESPONSIBLE ADULTS...who are paying a fuckin' KING'S GODDAMN RANSOM in maintenance to live here. It's ain't like the Taj Mahal, but considering how much we're all shelling out, you'd think some collective pride in the apearance and upkeep would be a common goal.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I lived in the same building as someone last year who would walk in drunk, make some kind of chicken in sauce thing, then put the saucepan back in the cupboard. WITHOUT CLEANING IT.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't excuse people abusing the rubbish room either (I certainly don't like smellin' kitty litter), but I don't think draggin' their shit out into the hall is the effective, mature way to handle it.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe throw a 'please' into the note.

kephm (kephm), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I used to share a porch with a neighbor. Once, in the middle of winter, I had to dispose of a large box. However, we'd just had a blizzard, and a foot of snow covered the steps downstairs, and so I kept the folded-up box on the back porch until the snow melted.

Well, the prissy neighbor next door decided that it was unacceptable that my box was partly in his section of the porch. He took the box and put it in between my back door and its screen door. It's just so petty and passive-aggressive.

Especially since he would jerk off quite loudly every Sunday morning.

k3rry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

to the sound of churchbells, right?

kephm (kephm), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

More proof of bolshevism's failure.

andy, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

In my experience, Alex, your note will be seen as a provocation and the garbage will end up in front of your doorway. Trash room Nazis (especially when they are literal Nazis) are bad news.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)


I would have just dumped the kitty litter in the trash, if that is where it is supposed to go. It's not worth getting pissed off about if it takes two seconds to pick it up and dump it in the chute (unless they're not supposed to do that in Alex's building?)

I think things like that are about something other than annoyance about garbage - some people just go looking for ways to look down on their neighbors.

k3rry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Can't you just make a complaint to the co-op board and have them be the bad guys.

Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Put some clip art of guns on the note.

why do old people and old users of ILX such bastardos (deangulberry), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:21 (twenty-one years ago)


What about laundry room etiquette? I hate when you're five minutes late in getting your clothes out of the washer, and they take your wet laundry and pile it on top of a dryer.

k3rry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

b-b-but why should my laundry stay sopping wet because you're too lazy to take yours out of the dryer on time?

Cripps Pink (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Carey is wise.

But if you're going to pin up a note, I'd suggest the following.

1. Avoid caps, boldface, italic, and underlining. There's nothing quite as fun as imagining the spit and sputtering behind the emphases on a hallway note.

2. Cut the "low-income housing project" bit. Now they're imagining a spitting and sputtering old bigot.

3. Cut down on the rhetorical flourishes. Some of your neighbors may be ILX lurkers, and they'll recognize you.

4. Actually just put this up: "If you don't like what people left in the trash room, could you please just let them know? Like with a note or something? Because putting it in the hall really isn't an improvement."

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

THE LOW RENT HOUSING PROJECTS PROBABLY HAVE BETTER MANNERS AND SPELLING YOU POSHO BRAT

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post:

First of all, I'm talking about washers, not dryers. I don't mind when people take my dry clothes out of the dryer, actually. Also, do you always assume that someone's clothes are still in there because they're 'lazy'? Some people have to take a phone call unexpectedly.

I'm talking about putting wet clothes on top of a dirty dryer...and also making sure to hog the dryer so you can't move them to the dryer. I'm talking about passive-aggressive and anal laundry people who breathe down your neck and stamp their foot because it's their 'laundry night'.

k3rry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

'2. Cut the "low-income housing project" bit. Now they're imagining a spitting and sputtering old bigot.'

I agree with this.

isadora (isadora), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 21:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha - not if they were my old neighbors, they wouldn't. Instead, they'd hold a secret community meeting about the awful 'ghetto people' living in the building.

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andy, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

In my experience, Alex, your note will be seen as a provocation and the garbage will end up in front of your doorway. Trash room Nazis (especially when they are literal Nazis) are bad news.

Precisely, which is why my wife is trying to convince to to give it up. She doesn't want to bear the brunt of the ire it might inspire. And yes, it is a bit of a provocation. I should put the word "please" in there, I suppose.

Can't you just make a complaint to the co-op board and have them be the bad guys.

They'll do nothing, and if they did, they'd be ignored anyway.

2. Cut the "low-income housing project" bit. Now they're imagining a spitting and sputtering old bigot.

Hahaha. Well, the spitting and spluttering part is right. My point was that we pay enough to live here -- we should at least try to take care of the place.

I know folks who live in low-income housing projects who -- shocker -- aren't black. Stop making this a question of bigotry. I chose the allusion to goad those with even the slightest sense of responsibility for their surroundings into action. Moreover, housiing projects look the way they look due to a lack of funds. The funds in our building, meanwhile are being handily supplied in painful amounts by the very people who are making the place look like a fuckin' trash-sodden halfway house.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)

"anal laundry"

why do old people and old users of ILX such bastardos (deangulberry), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 22:00 (twenty-one years ago)

i might shorten it. people don't like reading stuff, esp when they're standing in a stinky garbage room.

dysøn (dyson), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

where does your maintenance fees go anyway? This makes me happy that I bought a single family home in Brooklyn.

Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 22:07 (twenty-one years ago)

where does your maintenance fees go anyway? This makes me happy that I bought a single family home in Brooklyn.

Well, we just had our water heaters rebuilt and the basement painted. And now they're talkin' shit about building a gym in the basement, which is a waste of time/money.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)

IT SEEMS LIKE YOU ARE JUST SCREWED THEN, ALEX IN NYC.

Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 22:25 (twenty-one years ago)

IT CERTAINLY SEEMS THAT WAY. Why are you screaming?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

TOO MUCH NOIZE.

Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I would like to point out that I lived in a low-income housing project for several years, which did NOT have a trash room inside the building I lived in. Trash in the hallways was not a common problem; occasionally it'd get left outside the door overnight to bring to the other building, with the trash room, in the morning.

Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)

You'll admit, though, Ally, that it probably wasn't the ideal of living arrangements, given its limited amenities. I'd also imagine that you're currently living in -- and subsequently paying for -- a better place now, and as such, you believe there are standards to be maintained and protocol to be followed in respect to it proper upkeep, no?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 22:49 (twenty-one years ago)

hahahahahahahahaha I live in school housing now, Alex, I'm lucky there is no slugs in my shower.

Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Bottom line: wouldn't you rather your neighbors handle their beefs privately instead of literally dragging each others' trash into the hallways where you, your friends, your family and/or any visitors you might be entertaining will have to smell and/or step over? Wouldn't you rather they be a bit more considerate?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 22:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Can you start impersonating the co-op board and tack up notices that people will be fined (please send payment of fine to PO BOX) if there is unsightly refuse in the hallways etc.

Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 22:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh no Alex, I totally agree with you, I was just saying that in the low-income housing projects, we didn't have such an issue. I think only rich people are that kind of disgusting spiteful, I mean really none of us in the building wanted to touch each other's nasty ass trash.

Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 22:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Can you start impersonating the co-op board and tack up notices that people will be fined (please send payment of fine to PO BOX) if there is unsightly refuse in the hallways etc.

Not a bad idea, actually, but I don't think I need to fuckin' lie in order to call attention and hopefully stop this stupid shit.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Why don't you just talk to the board and ask them to really put up a notice like that?

Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Why don't you just talk to the board and ask them to really put up a notice like that?

Because they're cripplingly ineffectual. I'd talk to them about it, but based on their record so far, I wouldn't hold my breath for too long about them doing anything about it. Moreover, a board member lives on my floor, and that hasn't daunted anyone, nor has she brought it up with the board (whom she has greater access to), or if she has, no action's been taken as yet.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:04 (twenty-one years ago)

like the trash compactor in the Death Star, only without a big slithery creature

I like your optimism.

The Yellow Kid, Thursday, 30 September 2004 05:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, the prissy neighbor next door decided that it was unacceptable that my box was partly in his section of the porch.

I hate when you're five minutes late in getting your clothes out of the washer, and they take your wet laundry and pile it on top of a dryer.

I think I agree with the neighbors on these, actually.

The Yellow Kid, Thursday, 30 September 2004 05:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Where I live we have large SULO plastic wheely garbage bins in an enclosure out front by the side drive. You'd be garotted if you left anything in stairwells in my block, they're carpeted and someone even comes and cleans and deodorises the carpeted stairs once a month! (smells horrible too). I guess its a space issue here (as in we presumably have somewhat more of it), but it seems pretty common for Melbourneites to put garbage in outside bins.

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 30 September 2004 05:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish we did have one of those chute things tho. It would make my life so much easier than hauling ten tons of wine cask and cider bottle recycling downstairs.

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 30 September 2004 05:48 (twenty-one years ago)

My old flat had a chute in the stairwell. The only problem was, it was too small for any normal-sized rubbish bags; the largest thing that would fit down it was a supermarket carrier bag. Which meant that a normal kitchen bin would have been useless unless you remembered to empty it every time it was a third full.

caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 30 September 2004 10:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, the prissy neighbor next door decided that it was unacceptable that my box was partly in his section of the porch.

I would be more patient under these circumstances - especially if it was just a box..

But in my old apartment, after putting up several notices about people leaving trash on the back stairs (outside stairs - typical Chicago wooden fire escape deal) and after seeing a rat at my back door, I started stuffing the neighbors' falling-apart trash bags between their screens and doors. They got the message.

The joke about it was that the dumpster sat right below the landings to the staircase - and the top was always open. I used to drop my trash off a third floor landing into the dumpster because I was too lazy to walk down the stairs..

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 30 September 2004 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, I agree about leaving your trash on the porch. I used to just take it downstairs with me when I took my trash out. I probably shouldn't have done that, but it solved the problem at least.

The thing is, sometimes those back steps are covered with snow and / or frozen. In this case, you couldn't even get to the dumpster because of two-foot high drifts. I would forgive my neighbors for keeping their trash on the porch in that situation - frozen garbage isn't smelly anyway.

k3rry (dymaxia), Thursday, 30 September 2004 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Putting up notices when you have no authority to do so is ALWAYS A BAD IDEA. Seriously.

The only thing you can do is bug the shit out of the housing board to the point where they do something just so you'll shut up. At least they're there to be bothered and badgered about stuff like this.

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 30 September 2004 13:47 (twenty-one years ago)

what if you lit the bags of trash on fire? would the board notice that?

kephm (kephm), Thursday, 30 September 2004 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)

hahaha

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 30 September 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

HONOR THE GARBAGE THE FIRE!!!

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:00 (twenty-one years ago)

(oh crap, an extra THE)

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

GARBAGE THE FIRE!!!!!!!!!

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

(hahah actually RUBBISH THE FIRE!!!!!!!!!)

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

We have two sort of rubbish cellars for our building and some of our upstairs neighbours always leave their rubbish in the second one, which the rubbish men never collect from. (Often they don't collect from the first one either but that's another story.) I'm not sure I can really blame our neighbours, as they probably SHOULD collect from both. But they don't. Is there a case for leaving the neighbours a small informational notice in this situation? (Mind you, it should be a CLUE that they don't collect from that cellar when every week their same stinking rubbish is still in it and NOBODY ELSE'S bags are ever there with them...)

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Put an "Out of Order" sign on the second cellar door.

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd recommend speaking with the board member that lives on the floor first. Make an effort to mobilize the board regardless of the "cripplingly ineffectual" factor. At least attempt to go through the proper channels before taking maters into your own hands. If they do nothing then go right ahead with your garbage vigilante plans. Maybe even fashion yourself a GARBAGE MAN superhero outfit complete with utility belt and cape!

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

(nb please make sure the costume is more than just a utility belt and a cape)

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't listen to Dan.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)


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