Who's the girly-man NOW, Arnold?

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― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 30 September 2004 13:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sure that pandering to Hollywood liberals is EXACTLY what the Repbulican party was expecting when they decided to back Schwarzenegger as governer of California. This has totally made my day.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 30 September 2004 13:13 (twenty-one years ago)

"a major victory for the ducks and geese"

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 30 September 2004 13:14 (twenty-one years ago)

i guess he is attempting to make up for his plans to cut the waiting period to euthanize stray cats and dogs in half.

― Emilymv (Emilymv), Thursday, 30 September 2004 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Point taken, Dan, but if the GOP wants to get worked up over foie gras, then they're even dumber than I thought.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 30 September 2004 13:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I really want to hear the sound clip of him saying, "If agricultural producers are successful in this endeavor, the ban on foie gras sales and production in California will not occur."

― dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 30 September 2004 13:22 (twenty-one years ago)

It's just so RANDOM! Of all of the animal-rights issues out there, I didn't realize that foie gras was such a noteworthy hot-button topic!

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 30 September 2004 13:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Weirder still, "find a new way to make foi gras"? Foie gras *is* force-fed, overstuffed goose. That's what it always has been. It's like saying, "Find a way to make veal from adult cows."

― Gold Teeth II (kenan), Thursday, 30 September 2004 13:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought you don't even need to literally force feed them? Don't they just continually eat whatever is given to them anyway?

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 30 September 2004 13:33 (twenty-one years ago)

The state's lone farm engaged in the practice

Shrewd questions come to mind.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 September 2004 13:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Foie Gras force feeding mirrors the gorging that migratory birds engage in prior to the winter months. There should be a way to 'humanely' do this. If not, I will have to resort to smuggling or bathtub foie gras.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Foie gras mirrors nothing in nature -- it's all about making the bird *insanely* fat. That seems to be the part that animal rights activists think is inhumane.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3685602.stm

It's not the tube down the throat or any of that stuff, it's the practice itself that they find objectionable. There's no "humane" way to do it, unless you want to use olestra or something. *shudder*

Seems to me like outlawing a food because it's cruel to the animal is a pretty slippery slope.

― Gold Teeth II (kenan), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

But do they actually "force feed" the animals? As noted, animals will eat anything you put in front of them, whether they are hungry or not. I mean there are plenty of crueler practices in place than giving a goose food 70 times a day.

― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I know some people who'd love to eat 70 times a day.

― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Since when is being humane considered 'girly'?

But do they actually "force feed" the animals?

They stick tubes down their throats directly into their stomachs, so yes, it's about as forced as you can get.

― Andrew (enneff), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

All I can think of is Homer being force-fed donuts...

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah yes, the only thing that could make foie gras acceptable would to make sure it caused a greasy discharge to shoot out of your anus.

THREE CHEERS FOR HAUTE CUISINE

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Since when is being humane considered 'girly'?

SURELY you know what this is in reference to (ie, Arnold's propensity to call everyone who disagrees with him "girly-man", culminating in calling people concerned about CA unemployment "economic girly-men".

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I had no idea, Andrew, which is why I asked--that really isn't necessary, like I said I've yet to see an animal that doesn't do that on its own. Though perhaps not as fast as the farmers would like it? OTOH I don't really give a shit about animal cruelty. Force-feeding a goose still doesn't seem as inhumane to me as, say, veal practices, and I still eat veal.

Foie gras is a disgusting food, btw, why is no one protesting it just because it's gross?

― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

It is delicious, especially when paired with a good Sauternes.

De gustibus disputandum non est

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

The gruesome process that gives us foie gras amounts to full- throated cruelty. Producers stick a feeding tube down the throats of ducks and geese and pump in huge amounts of corn and compound feed into their stomachs. This massive over-feeding results in grotesque overgrowth of the liver, and causes severe discomfort and suffering. It incapacitates the birds and results in physical abnormalities that would kill them if the slaughterer's knife did not do so first.

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=37009

Yeah, see, I'm totally heartless when it comes to this stuff. I feel little pity for a goose that spends its life uncomfortably full and suffering from terrible obesity. As long as it's delicious.

― Gold Teeth II (kenan), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not like they're trapping wild geese (or wild cows, if that even exists, to use the veal example) and doing this. The animals they are being cruel to would never be alive if not for the food industry and it's disgusting, disgusting conoisseurs who want to eat mutated geese guts.

― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Realizing when I was little that these animals are only born to be treated like this and were not like captured cruelly from their wild previous existance in the bambi wilderness forest of magic really kind of destroyed any pity I would've had for farm animals.

That and the fact that they smell awful.

― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

"I voke from a strange und tewwifying dream in vich men vere forced to become INSANELY MUSCULAR until zeir steroid-shrunken TESTICLES vere harvested as a decadent delicazy!"

― briania (briania), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

contrary to what has been said upthread, lots of animals will not eat everything you put in front of them. almost every pet i have had has been fine with an ever-filled bowl of food, they don't instantly gorge themselves by devouring the entire amount.

― Emilymv (Emilymv), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Ally and Kenan sympathize with the evil robot-machines in the Matrix. Why don't you each just go have evil shiny robot sex with your machine overlords?

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

That's too bad, they taste better if they do that.

xpost

― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

To argue that breeding animals just to be "cruel" to them and use them for our own purposes is morally wrong calls into question animal husbandry as a whole, and would probably piss Christians off something awful. Doesn't the Bible say that God gave the animals to us, and put us over them in the heirarchy?

― Gold Teeth II (kenan), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

While I understand that being needlessly cruel to animals in order to create luxury foods isn't a good thing, I would be much more on board actually doing something about it if the people protesting these things would rechannel the resources towards, say, developing larger food store to help feed the starving homeless rather than protesting because OH NO THE RICH MAN IS HURTING THE CUTE ANIMAL!

I had a friend who anted me to boycott Gilette because they tested their razors on the sides of rabbits. After I stopped laughing at her, I told her that I already avoided Gilette razors because they tore up my face in a manner not unlike the side of the cute little suffering bunny she showed me oh and incidentally didn't she feel that there was a disgusting pornographic (not in the sense of sexual arousal but in the sense of appaling opportunistic exploitivism, if that makes sense) element in the way that she was ambushing people with that picture? She got mad and said I was heartless. I laughed some more and said, "You've known me for 14 years and you're just now noticing this? You aren't very bright." We didn't hang out much after that.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

It is possible to breed animals for our own use without being cruel to them. The standard veal-breeding process and the standard foie-gras process seem pretty cruel to me though.

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan, everyone knows that people are not as important as the "cute" (read DISGUSTING SMELLY DISEASED GODAWFUL I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHY ANYONE EATS THEM ON A REGULAR BASIS HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THE SNOT COMING OUT OF A COW'S NOSE? AND BIRDS ARE JUST FILTHY, FILTHY) animals.

I'm certainly not saying people should be needlessly cruel in farming practices, but I am saying I really just don't give a shit either way.

― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

We do a lot worse things to chickens.

― Gold Teeth II (kenan), Thursday, 30 September 2004 15:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I'm not sure why foie gras in particular is the issue here either.

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 30 September 2004 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Because, as Dan pointed out, it's rich people food.

― Gold Teeth II (kenan), Thursday, 30 September 2004 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.sgi.co.jp/features/2000/jul/hollywood/images/lg_chicken2.jpg

"I don't want to be a pie!"

― Gold Teeth II (kenan), Thursday, 30 September 2004 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't tell if I'm lucky or not that I've never caught a speech by Governor Arnold Schwarznegger. I don't think I'm ready for it.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 30 September 2004 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

RENO: The new foie gras capital of the West.

― andy, Thursday, 30 September 2004 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I really don't give two flying shits whether you guys care about animals or not. Dan, I know full well why you chose the thread title you did, and I did chuckle at it, but I just felt a bit annoyed at the link between compassion towards animal suffering and being 'girly'.

― Andrew (enneff), Friday, 1 October 2004 01:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Interesting article:

http://www.jeremyjosephs.com/foiegras.htm

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Friday, 1 October 2004 12:38 (twenty-one years ago)

annoyed at the link between compassion towards animal suffering and being 'girly'

I thought that was the point. That anytime anyone uses their conscience, they're being 'girly'. I took the thread title to be an ironic slap back at the Republicans. The opposite of 'manly' (roughing up a goose) is 'girly'. There's no middle ground, so say the republicans.

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 1 October 2004 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Foie gras does seem like one of the cruellest food production methods I'm aware of.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 1 October 2004 12:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Have they found a way of getting caviar without having to kill the sturgeons yet? Can't they wait till, like, it LAYS them?

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 1 October 2004 13:15 (twenty-one years ago)

But compassion *IS* girly!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0,13026,937913,00.html

But in a good way, of course.

― Gold Teeth II (kenan), Friday, 1 October 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, that was the point. Had I realized it wasn't obvious, I would have put a disclaimer on the thread.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Friday, 1 October 2004 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

three years pass...

'I have learned a lot of things where I felt one way before I went into office, and all of a sudden you learn things are not quite this way and you change.'

Clearly time to recall him. Oh wait...

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 January 2008 07:13 (eighteen years ago)

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