We Are Not Telekinetic and Anyone Who Thinks So's a Flakey Flake Flake

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Except the Air Force says we are.

"Uri Geller (1975) is the original model for demonstrating PK metal bending. During a talk he gave at the U.S. Capitol Building, Uri caused a spoon to curve upward with no force applied and then the spoon continued to bend after he put it back down and continued with his talk."

http://www.fas.org/sgp/eprint/teleport.pdf

It's interesting to me that with even the Air Force treating psychic phenomena scientifically there's still widespread ridicule about discussing it (as posts on this thread might bear out). Maybe it's evolutionary for us to resist our psychic powers--and label acknowledding them weird--for some weird reason.

lysander spooner, Saturday, 30 October 2004 00:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Spoon bending is BS but I think there is a phenomenon where people are linked mentally-- like mothers who know something is wrong with their children even though they are miles away, and so on.

Orbit (Orbit), Saturday, 30 October 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Orbit, I agree about parental, even general filial, teleconnections. But with the Air Force of all organizations treating telekinesis matter-of-factly, why is it necessarily BS?

lysander spooner, Saturday, 30 October 2004 01:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Spoonbending was proven to be a hoax. See James Randi etc

Orbit (Orbit), Saturday, 30 October 2004 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

i can bend spoons with my hands, thank you very much. when he can solve world hunger with telekinesis, then i'll applaud the guy.

darragh.mac (darragh.mac), Saturday, 30 October 2004 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Early experiments were not successful.

Pangolino (ricki spaghetti), Saturday, 30 October 2004 02:56 (twenty-one years ago)

And my image didn't appear. *sigh*

http://www.ks1075.com/photos/photos_pie/pie06_320x240.jpg

Pangolino (ricki spaghetti), Saturday, 30 October 2004 02:57 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm just thinking my reply really hard. so there you go.

darr.agh.mac, Saturday, 30 October 2004 03:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Watch it - you almost knocked over my pretzels.

Pangolino (ricki spaghetti), Saturday, 30 October 2004 03:35 (twenty-one years ago)

and there i was aiming for your porn stash under the rug.

Darr.aghmac, Saturday, 30 October 2004 03:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Spoonbending was proven to be a hoax. See James Randi etc
-- Orbit (cstarrcstar...), October 30th, 2004.

ha

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 30 October 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

"Maybe it's evolutionary for us to resist our psychic powers--and label acknowledding them weird--for some weird reason. "

http://www.tricksterbook.com/HomePage.htm

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 30 October 2004 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

(i'm not endorsing spoonbending btw, just laughing at the idea that james randi has "proven" anything, other than things CAN be faked)

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 30 October 2004 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Professor X is such a flake!!

jel -- (jel), Saturday, 30 October 2004 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

By Occam's Razor, James 'the amazing' Randi has at least shown that we don't need SF to explain spoon bending.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Urr, the reason I don't believe in telekinesis is that the websites are all really bad.

Remy (x Jeremy), Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)

James Randi, etc. Give me a break. James Randi would not allow any paranormal phenomena to be proven. Don't you realize there is always a "way out" scientifically with all PSI research?

Try reading Dean Radin's "Conscious Universe". Through metaanalysis of the last 50 years of PSI research, science has more than proven far in favor of the possibility of PSI, it has proven PSI.

I know and have seen with my own eyes Telekenisis. You can visit http://www.psipog.net/ and www.Forkyou.com. You can buy "Amazing & Wonderful Mind Machines You Can Build" which was written by a NASA scientist and allows you to create TK machines out of simple things you have around your home.

Jesus Fucking Christ, Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Psipog has videos, but http://www.fork-you.com/ doesn't.

Better evidence are the 2 books I mentioned. If you can make shit start spinning in front of your own eyes that is in an airtight container and you have no contact with, what will you say then?

JFC, Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

"But with the Air Force of all organizations treating telekinesis matter-of-factly, why is it necessarily BS? "

its considered bs because a vast majority of people who defend spoonbending sound like this:

"James Randi, etc. Give me a break. James Randi would not allow any paranormal phenomena to be proven. Don't you realize there is always a "way out" scientifically with all PSI research?
Try reading Dean Radin's "Conscious Universe". Through metaanalysis of the last 50 years of PSI research, science has more than proven far in favor of the possibility of PSI, it has proven PSI.

I know and have seen with my own eyes Telekenisis. You can visit http://www.psipog.net/ and www.Forkyou.com. You can buy "Amazing & Wonderful Mind Machines You Can Build" which was written by a NASA scientist and allows you to create TK machines out of simple things you have around your home.

-- Jesus Fucking Christ (ag...), October 30th, 2004."

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

By Occam's Razor, James 'the amazing' Randi has at least shown that we don't need SF to explain spoon bending.
-- Martin Skidmore (lonewolf.cu...), October 30th, 2004.

I'll concede your point. Like i said before i'm not "endorsing" spoonbending. But frankly I think Randi & co's zealotry can be off-putting, and sometimes rather disingenuous.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

'experimental conditions' = pelting subject with tampons before demonstration

dave q, Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.remote-viewing.com/miscgraphics/text1.gif

andrew l. r. (allocryptic), Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, lateybloomey!
As that dorky guy said in American Wedding, "'A witty comment proves nothing. Voltaire.'"

JFC, Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

The United States Air Force DID conduct experiments in remote viewing; mostly founded out of the fear that the Russians were already making militaristic advances in psychic stuff, and the fear of a "spoonbending gap."

andrew l. r. (allocryptic), Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, and "The Conscious Universe" gets into detail about many of these gov't funded and privately funded experiments. People sure did like to waste billions of dollars over a 50 year period on something that's total b.s., didn't they?

JFC, Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, lateybloomey!
As that dorky guy said in American Wedding, "'A witty comment proves nothing. Voltaire.'"
-- JFC (arg...), October 30th, 2004.

dude, take a look at yourself: you're quoting AMERICAN WEDDING...

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

haha "spoonbending gap"!!

xxxetcpost

Orbit (Orbit), Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, and "The Conscious Universe" gets into detail about many of these gov't funded and privately funded experiments. People sure did like to waste billions of dollars over a 50 year period on something that's total b.s., didn't they?
-- JFC (arg...), October 30th, 2004.

two words: star wars

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I repeat the quote: "A witty comment proves nothing."

It's very simple really. Go to psipog.net and watch the paper pinweel videos.

Then, get a pin and some paper and perform the experiment yourself. Try it for 5 to 10 minutes every night for a few weeks if it doesn't work at first. For me, I was able to get it to work the first time.

For further validation that it is not your breathing or other air currents, get a glass dish or the bottom of a clear soda bottle to use as a shield covering the pinwheel. Now you know that no air currents are moving the pinwheel. Make it spin clockwise, then counterclockwise. How does it work?

JFC, Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

but really i don't reject psychic phenomema out of hand at all (far from it actually). i just think hysterically claming, "ITS PROVEN MAN, WHY CANT YOU SEE IT?" is stretching it, to say the least.

x-post

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 30 October 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Try it out, latebloomer. Then perhaps you will begin hysterically claiming yourself and you will see how frustrating it is that you can tell people to try it and see for themselves... but instead, they roll their eyes and say it's b.s.

JFC, Saturday, 30 October 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

latebloomer, JFC is a logged-out moron who is just trying to wind you up.

Orbit (Orbit), Saturday, 30 October 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Orbit is a logged-in wind-up toy, you moron. Try the friggin' pinwheel experiment for yourself.

JFC, Saturday, 30 October 2004 17:08 (twenty-one years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v160/cstarrcstarr/ILX/dunceboy.jpg

Orbit (Orbit), Saturday, 30 October 2004 17:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Orbit, you're a dork.

JFC, Saturday, 30 October 2004 18:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you think this person was thinking "I wonder if my kind of website is out there anywhere - I'll try googling 'flakey flake flake'... hurrah!"?

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 30 October 2004 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

i found ilx with just such a method, but i was searching for "kate bush's tits" or something.

d.arraghmac, Saturday, 30 October 2004 22:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I AM MOMUSFOR HALLOWEEN

sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Sunday, 31 October 2004 01:04 (twenty-one years ago)

"Not only is there no God, but try finding a plumber on a Sunday." - Woody Allen

Girolamo Savonarola, Sunday, 31 October 2004 01:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish the dialogue around here regarding psychic phenomena, spirituality, the Occult - hell anything metaphysical - could be a bit more balanced and less condescending on either side of the argument, like oh say, an honest and open exchange of ideas ?

Oh wait, this is ILX. Fuck that. We have to concentrate on Kate Bush's tits and making Excelsior.

JFC, why do you feel the need to log out? I've said a lot of unconventional stuff on here before, but never backed away from including my real name/email addy. [ I hate the new ILX habit of changing one's moniker into a meaningless three word phrase, and continue to resis it, but that's another post...

FWIW. I know a lady in MA whose husband was involved in the "scientific remote viewing" military operations in the Northwest, sometime in the 70s. And indeed, much of it was quite bizarre and sinister stuff, as far as Cold Warish intentions dictated at the time. It's hard for people who were involved with it back then to talk about it now, and for good reason.

I first brought up SRV on ILX in 2002, but was totally ignored by all but Julio. Yay Mr. DeSouza.

Vic, Sunday, 31 October 2004 02:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe it's evolutionary for us to resist our psychic powers--and label acknowledding them weird--for some weird reason.

-- lysander spooner (paradis...), October 30th, 2004.

Oh, and I heartily disagree with this. As I've said numerous times on here, I think all these hang-ups are culturally specific only to Modern Western Civ, which of course developed in the materialistically blocked "progression" that it did partially due to the very Darwninian ideology that you reference.

Vic, Sunday, 31 October 2004 02:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I was never logged in. I am always logged out. Anyone who's not logged in is probably me.

JFC, Sunday, 31 October 2004 03:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Try reading Dean Radin's "Conscious Universe". Through metaanalysis of the last 50 years of PSI research, science has more than proven far in favor of the possibility of PSI, it has proven PSI.

I think Larry Niven said it best when he posited: "If Magic or Psychic Powers were real, we would've found out how to do something useful with them by now."

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 31 October 2004 03:25 (twenty-one years ago)

There may be something more to my evolutionary question than you're willing to consider. How many thousands of years (tens of thousands) did it take our ancestors to develop speech? Wanna bet some got beat over the head with mammoth thigh bones for being too weird?

Custos, Larry Niven is a trust fund hack. No offense. It's in the best interest of those born into affluence to be conservative, no matter how many ringworlds they dream up.

lysander spooner, Sunday, 31 October 2004 03:37 (twenty-one years ago)

People sure did like to waste billions of dollars over a 50 year period on something that's total b.s., didn't they?

Not taking a position on the rest of the discussion, but this particular point is the Worst. Argument. Ever.

Remember million dollar hammers, or the "Information Awareness Office"?

http://www.rotten.com/library/conspiracy/information-awareness-office/iaologo_sml.gif

Those are the ones we do know about. Just imagine what shit they sink useless bucks into when it's confidential so there's no public scrutiny.

wetmink (wetmink), Sunday, 31 October 2004 03:40 (twenty-one years ago)

xxxpostsOh wait, this is ILX. Fuck that. We have to concentrate on Kate Bush's tits and making Excelsior.

what a snide little comment to make. there is huge documented evidence backing up the existence of kate bush's tits, a subject which is at least as worthy of a thread as the bending of metal eating implements, whether through the power of the mind or otherwise.

d.arraghmac, Sunday, 31 October 2004 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Worst. Argument. Ever.

Okay, I've had about enough of this I'm Mr. Logical Watch Me Rationalize And Puf, Sunday, 31 October 2004 03:53 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.lemonparty.org/lemonparty.jpg

Don't forget, Sunday, 31 October 2004 03:53 (twenty-one years ago)

that's fuckin rank. ugh.

d.arraghmac, Sunday, 31 October 2004 04:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I had been expecting a happy picture of lemons.

Pangolino (ricki spaghetti), Sunday, 31 October 2004 04:09 (twenty-one years ago)

i was kinda hopin for, um, some kate bush......

d.arraghmac, Sunday, 31 October 2004 04:11 (twenty-one years ago)

IT'S A TRAP

LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Sunday, 31 October 2004 04:25 (twenty-one years ago)

of course, if we had psychic powers, we would have known......end of argument?

d.arraghmac, Sunday, 31 October 2004 04:34 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a trap! That entire Air Force report's a forgery! That's it!

lysander spooner, Sunday, 31 October 2004 04:40 (twenty-one years ago)

There may be something more to my evolutionary question than you're willing to consider. How many thousands of years (tens of thousands) did it take our ancestors to develop speech? Wanna bet some got beat over the head with mammoth thigh bones for being too weird?
Wonder how many instances of "Psionic Genes" were wiped out during the Witchhunts of the Dark Ages.
If the Catholic Church wasn't so paranoid, we might've had our own version of the Order of the Bene Gesserit in real life.
Or the PsiCorps.

Waitasec. Is this the upside or the downside?

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 31 October 2004 07:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Wonder how many instances of "Psionic Genes" were wiped out during the Witchhunts of the Dark Ages.

a) There weren't many witch-hunts in the Dark Ages, at least not that we know about. They only really kicked off once the Renaissance had got going.

b) Probably not very many - most witch accusations were made on the grounds of what you might call "community politics" than anything else. In fact, where such accusations are still going on, they still are.

(there was another outbreak of "Satanic Ritual Abuse" allegations in the UK a few months ago, this time in the Western Isles)

caitlin (caitlin), Sunday, 31 October 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

larry niven is a trustafarian?

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 1 November 2004 03:01 (twenty-one years ago)

this thread is hilariously absurd.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 1 November 2004 03:01 (twenty-one years ago)

"Lack of Potassium can cause it so eat some potatoes! I think lack of calcium and general dehydration can cause it too. Wet, milky, potatoes.
-- Kevin Gilchrist (KevinGil14...), November 1st, 2004.


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that's odd, i was just thinking about potassium 30 seconds ago.
-- results not typical (theundergroundhom...), November 1st, 2004.


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i'm not kidding.
-- results not typical (theundergroundhom...), November 1st, 2004.


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Woah. Guess which element I'm thinking of... now!
-- Markelby (boyincorduro...), November 1st, 2004.


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MAGNESIUM
-- results not typical (theundergroundhom...), November 1st, 2004."

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 1 November 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)


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