"Uri Geller (1975) is the original model for demonstrating PK metal bending. During a talk he gave at the U.S. Capitol Building, Uri caused a spoon to curve upward with no force applied and then the spoon continued to bend after he put it back down and continued with his talk."
http://www.fas.org/sgp/eprint/teleport.pdf
It's interesting to me that with even the Air Force treating psychic phenomena scientifically there's still widespread ridicule about discussing it (as posts on this thread might bear out). Maybe it's evolutionary for us to resist our psychic powers--and label acknowledding them weird--for some weird reason.
― lysander spooner, Saturday, 30 October 2004 00:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― Orbit (Orbit), Saturday, 30 October 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― lysander spooner, Saturday, 30 October 2004 01:03 (twenty-one years ago)
― Orbit (Orbit), Saturday, 30 October 2004 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― darragh.mac (darragh.mac), Saturday, 30 October 2004 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)
Early experiments were not successful.
― Pangolino (ricki spaghetti), Saturday, 30 October 2004 02:56 (twenty-one years ago)
http://www.ks1075.com/photos/photos_pie/pie06_320x240.jpg
― Pangolino (ricki spaghetti), Saturday, 30 October 2004 02:57 (twenty-one years ago)
― darr.agh.mac, Saturday, 30 October 2004 03:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pangolino (ricki spaghetti), Saturday, 30 October 2004 03:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― Darr.aghmac, Saturday, 30 October 2004 03:41 (twenty-one years ago)
ha
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 30 October 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)
http://www.tricksterbook.com/HomePage.htm
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 30 October 2004 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 30 October 2004 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)
― jel -- (jel), Saturday, 30 October 2004 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― Remy (x Jeremy), Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)
Try reading Dean Radin's "Conscious Universe". Through metaanalysis of the last 50 years of PSI research, science has more than proven far in favor of the possibility of PSI, it has proven PSI.
I know and have seen with my own eyes Telekenisis. You can visit http://www.psipog.net/ and www.Forkyou.com. You can buy "Amazing & Wonderful Mind Machines You Can Build" which was written by a NASA scientist and allows you to create TK machines out of simple things you have around your home.
― Jesus Fucking Christ, Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)
Better evidence are the 2 books I mentioned. If you can make shit start spinning in front of your own eyes that is in an airtight container and you have no contact with, what will you say then?
― JFC, Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)
its considered bs because a vast majority of people who defend spoonbending sound like this:
"James Randi, etc. Give me a break. James Randi would not allow any paranormal phenomena to be proven. Don't you realize there is always a "way out" scientifically with all PSI research?Try reading Dean Radin's "Conscious Universe". Through metaanalysis of the last 50 years of PSI research, science has more than proven far in favor of the possibility of PSI, it has proven PSI.
-- Jesus Fucking Christ (ag...), October 30th, 2004."
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)
I'll concede your point. Like i said before i'm not "endorsing" spoonbending. But frankly I think Randi & co's zealotry can be off-putting, and sometimes rather disingenuous.
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)
― dave q, Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)
― andrew l. r. (allocryptic), Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― JFC, Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― andrew l. r. (allocryptic), Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― JFC, Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)
dude, take a look at yourself: you're quoting AMERICAN WEDDING...
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)
xxxetcpost
― Orbit (Orbit), Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)
two words: star wars
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)
It's very simple really. Go to psipog.net and watch the paper pinweel videos.
Then, get a pin and some paper and perform the experiment yourself. Try it for 5 to 10 minutes every night for a few weeks if it doesn't work at first. For me, I was able to get it to work the first time.
For further validation that it is not your breathing or other air currents, get a glass dish or the bottom of a clear soda bottle to use as a shield covering the pinwheel. Now you know that no air currents are moving the pinwheel. Make it spin clockwise, then counterclockwise. How does it work?
― JFC, Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)
x-post
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 30 October 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)
― JFC, Saturday, 30 October 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)
― Orbit (Orbit), Saturday, 30 October 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)
― JFC, Saturday, 30 October 2004 17:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― Orbit (Orbit), Saturday, 30 October 2004 17:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― JFC, Saturday, 30 October 2004 18:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 30 October 2004 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)
― d.arraghmac, Saturday, 30 October 2004 22:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Sunday, 31 October 2004 01:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― Girolamo Savonarola, Sunday, 31 October 2004 01:58 (twenty-one years ago)
Oh wait, this is ILX. Fuck that. We have to concentrate on Kate Bush's tits and making Excelsior.
JFC, why do you feel the need to log out? I've said a lot of unconventional stuff on here before, but never backed away from including my real name/email addy. [ I hate the new ILX habit of changing one's moniker into a meaningless three word phrase, and continue to resis it, but that's another post...
FWIW. I know a lady in MA whose husband was involved in the "scientific remote viewing" military operations in the Northwest, sometime in the 70s. And indeed, much of it was quite bizarre and sinister stuff, as far as Cold Warish intentions dictated at the time. It's hard for people who were involved with it back then to talk about it now, and for good reason.
I first brought up SRV on ILX in 2002, but was totally ignored by all but Julio. Yay Mr. DeSouza.
― Vic, Sunday, 31 October 2004 02:36 (twenty-one years ago)
-- lysander spooner (paradis...), October 30th, 2004.
Oh, and I heartily disagree with this. As I've said numerous times on here, I think all these hang-ups are culturally specific only to Modern Western Civ, which of course developed in the materialistically blocked "progression" that it did partially due to the very Darwninian ideology that you reference.
― Vic, Sunday, 31 October 2004 02:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― JFC, Sunday, 31 October 2004 03:00 (twenty-one years ago)
I think Larry Niven said it best when he posited: "If Magic or Psychic Powers were real, we would've found out how to do something useful with them by now."
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 31 October 2004 03:25 (twenty-one years ago)
Custos, Larry Niven is a trust fund hack. No offense. It's in the best interest of those born into affluence to be conservative, no matter how many ringworlds they dream up.
― lysander spooner, Sunday, 31 October 2004 03:37 (twenty-one years ago)
Not taking a position on the rest of the discussion, but this particular point is the Worst. Argument. Ever.
Remember million dollar hammers, or the "Information Awareness Office"?
http://www.rotten.com/library/conspiracy/information-awareness-office/iaologo_sml.gif
Those are the ones we do know about. Just imagine what shit they sink useless bucks into when it's confidential so there's no public scrutiny.
― wetmink (wetmink), Sunday, 31 October 2004 03:40 (twenty-one years ago)
what a snide little comment to make. there is huge documented evidence backing up the existence of kate bush's tits, a subject which is at least as worthy of a thread as the bending of metal eating implements, whether through the power of the mind or otherwise.
― d.arraghmac, Sunday, 31 October 2004 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― Okay, I've had about enough of this I'm Mr. Logical Watch Me Rationalize And Puf, Sunday, 31 October 2004 03:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― Don't forget, Sunday, 31 October 2004 03:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― d.arraghmac, Sunday, 31 October 2004 04:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pangolino (ricki spaghetti), Sunday, 31 October 2004 04:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― d.arraghmac, Sunday, 31 October 2004 04:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Sunday, 31 October 2004 04:25 (twenty-one years ago)
― d.arraghmac, Sunday, 31 October 2004 04:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― lysander spooner, Sunday, 31 October 2004 04:40 (twenty-one years ago)
Waitasec. Is this the upside or the downside?
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 31 October 2004 07:43 (twenty-one years ago)
a) There weren't many witch-hunts in the Dark Ages, at least not that we know about. They only really kicked off once the Renaissance had got going.
b) Probably not very many - most witch accusations were made on the grounds of what you might call "community politics" than anything else. In fact, where such accusations are still going on, they still are.
(there was another outbreak of "Satanic Ritual Abuse" allegations in the UK a few months ago, this time in the Western Isles)
― caitlin (caitlin), Sunday, 31 October 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 1 November 2004 03:01 (twenty-one years ago)
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that's odd, i was just thinking about potassium 30 seconds ago. -- results not typical (theundergroundhom...), November 1st, 2004.
i'm not kidding. -- results not typical (theundergroundhom...), November 1st, 2004.
Woah. Guess which element I'm thinking of... now! -- Markelby (boyincorduro...), November 1st, 2004.
MAGNESIUM -- results not typical (theundergroundhom...), November 1st, 2004."
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 1 November 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)