If Kerry wins the election, will we have anyone left to REALLY hate, no matter how bad things get?

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Speaking as a Brit voter having got used to seven years of Blair, obviously...

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 31 October 2004 07:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I fthings gat really bad, I try to blame the person responsible. Hate is for the weak.

― Kenan (kenan), Sunday, 31 October 2004 07:15 (nineteen years ago) link

you can still legitimately hate bush until the repercussions of his presidency have disappeared entirely. could take years...

― d.arraghmac, Sunday, 31 October 2004 07:18 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, his name is Tom Delay...

― Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Sunday, 31 October 2004 07:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll hate Kerry plenty. And his wife. And Edwards.

So will some of you, in time.

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Sunday, 31 October 2004 07:38 (nineteen years ago) link

oh, i doubt i'll ever hate Theresa. For the first time since Bess Truman, we might just have a First Lady who's quite likely to tell someone to fuck off & die...

― Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Sunday, 31 October 2004 07:45 (nineteen years ago) link

the GOP will hate kerry/edwards, regardless of whether they win in a landslide or by the skin of their teeth. it's their nature, and roger just gave us a small taste of what we're in for.

i also suspect that many kerry voters will have short memories. ergo, i fully expect a nader 2008 campaign.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 31 October 2004 07:56 (nineteen years ago) link

You can hate Howard for three years. We're all doing it.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 31 October 2004 07:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Hillary 2008!

― Kenan (kenan), Sunday, 31 October 2004 07:59 (nineteen years ago) link

is it true that they're grooming tyson for 2008?

― d.arraghmac, Sunday, 31 October 2004 08:01 (nineteen years ago) link

The Mike or the chicken?

― Kenan (kenan), Sunday, 31 October 2004 08:02 (nineteen years ago) link

the chicken? elaborate.

― d.arraghmac, Sunday, 31 October 2004 08:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Tyson is a US brand of chicken that owns the state of Arkansas. They are huge and evil and everything that's wrong with the food industry.

― Kenan (kenan), Sunday, 31 October 2004 08:13 (nineteen years ago) link

well, no then. the one that's huge and confused and everything that's wrong with the sporting world.

― d.arraghmac, Sunday, 31 October 2004 08:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I doubt either would get any votes.

― Kenan (kenan), Sunday, 31 October 2004 08:24 (nineteen years ago) link

you just tryin to keep iron mike down

damn the man....

― dar.raghmac, Sunday, 31 October 2004 08:29 (nineteen years ago) link

None of you are man enough to take on Iron Mike Tyson, he would rape you all within minutes.

― Argh Garblega, Sunday, 31 October 2004 10:54 (nineteen years ago) link

'Ear, what's all this then?'

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 31 October 2004 10:59 (nineteen years ago) link

in fallout 2, if you do enough of the boxing matches, you are put in the ring with The Masticator, who's tough as all hell and likes to munch

― Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Sunday, 31 October 2004 11:03 (nineteen years ago) link

John Howard is still in power in Australia.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 31 October 2004 12:52 (nineteen years ago) link

The right wing isn't going away. This was a problem during the Clinton administration.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Sunday, 31 October 2004 13:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Kenan, do not hate on Tyson chicken.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 31 October 2004 14:08 (nineteen years ago) link

we can hate those trying to impeach kerry around, say, august '05...

― Sympatico (shmuel), Sunday, 31 October 2004 20:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think I understand the original question.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 31 October 2004 20:31 (nineteen years ago) link

the knives will be out for kerry's wife if kerry wins.. feminists take notice.

― still bevens (bscrubbins), Sunday, 31 October 2004 22:08 (nineteen years ago) link

There'll still be the angry horde of Republicans who will invariably launch the same variety of smear campaigns and witch hunts that pestered Bill Clinton for his eight years.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 31 October 2004 22:10 (nineteen years ago) link

i hate kerry, loathe him. and edwards isnt among my most favoutite person either.

(thk i love)

― anthony, Sunday, 31 October 2004 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes Kerry is loathsome, but -- and I cannot stress this enough -- HE'S NOT BUSH.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 31 October 2004 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link

"Mwah mwah mwah mwahhh mwah mwah mwahhh."

― Peanuts (Peanuts), Sunday, 31 October 2004 22:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I hope that the center-left and left won't forget that bombing innocent people, passing out handjobs for the wealthy and 'reforming' welfare are wrong when Democrats are in power.

But I'm not holding out a lot of hope. The Clinton era disabused me of those notions.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 31 October 2004 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Preach it, brother.

― Peanuts (Peanuts), Sunday, 31 October 2004 22:28 (nineteen years ago) link

There'll still be loads of people to hate. If you can't find someone to hate, you're not looking hard enough.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Sunday, 31 October 2004 22:30 (nineteen years ago) link

i hate kerry, loathe him. and edwards isnt among my most favoutite person either.

you're canadian, who cares

― kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 31 October 2004 23:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Canadians are important to us

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 31 October 2004 23:25 (nineteen years ago) link

for me to poop on!

― kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 31 October 2004 23:27 (nineteen years ago) link

You'll be begging him for an immigration sponsorship when Bush steals the election.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 31 October 2004 23:31 (nineteen years ago) link

"There'll still be the angry horde of Republicans who will invariably launch the same variety of smear campaigns and witch hunts that pestered Bill Clinton for his eight years."

I really have no idea whether its because I'm a Brit, or because the
Republicans/right-wing conspiracy did a really good job, but it's only due to a documentary ("The Power of Nightmares", BBC2, last week) that I now know the various things he was accused of - Paula Jones, fraud over Whitewater, rape - were, probably, all made up.
Unless someone wants to contradict this? Until now I'd assumed he was basically as crooked and shady as all the rest..well the Lewinsky affair *seemed* to confirm everything else, didn't it.

― Bumfluff, Sunday, 31 October 2004 23:37 (nineteen years ago) link

there was no "whitewater scandal" to speak of, that was the official result of the inquiry; anyway, I dare most people (including myself) who know of "Whitewater" as a scary scandal term to tell me what the scandal actually involved (because when you actually got into it is was so boring a old news it was hard to care). I don't think there's any consensus that Paula Jones was made up, there seemed to be some nugget of truth to that, but she was pressed to come foward in the investigations by Scaife. I've never heard of Clinton accused of "rape" unless it was in conjunction with Jones.

― kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 31 October 2004 23:50 (nineteen years ago) link

actually got into it is was so boring a old news

mehwha? I mean "actually got into it, it was so boring and old news"

― kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 31 October 2004 23:51 (nineteen years ago) link

in fact, I'm now inclined to think the only reason "whitewater" got any play by the media was because it had "water" in the name and reminded people of "watergate", not that possibly being involved in a shitty real estate deal way before you were president was at all comparable to breaking into your fucking opponents' party's office and stealing shit.

― kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 31 October 2004 23:55 (nineteen years ago) link

To be honest, when I posted this question, I was a) drunk and trolling and b) projecting the model of British politics (where the Right has effectively been sidelined as an electoral force for the forseeable future) onto the US. Bearing in mind the US election is going to go right down to the wire, this is not exactly a likely scenario. As the US Right is unlikely to be marginalised in the same way, this is kind of a stupid question. But we, the British public, will do pretty well at forgetting about said Right for the next four years.

What I'm interested in is a situation where Kerry wins the election, does a load of really nasty fucked up stuff as President, and liberals essentially excuse him on the basis that, "hey, at least he's not Bush".

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 31 October 2004 23:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Every US president does a load of nasty fucked up stuff. If it's not as nasty and fucked up as Bush's nasty fucked up stuff, it's a step in the right direction.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 31 October 2004 23:58 (nineteen years ago) link

TS: "interested in" vs. "depressed by"

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 31 October 2004 23:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Bumfluff, you should read 'The Hunting of the President' and David Brock's book if you're interested.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Monday, 1 November 2004 00:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I hope that the center-left and left won't forget that bombing innocent people, passing out handjobs for the wealthy and 'reforming' welfare are wrong when Democrats are in power.

as i said above ... ralphie will be peddling his snake-oil in 2008. he's already got ONE customer here!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 1 November 2004 00:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, 'snake-oil.' "Cuz it's not wrong when Democrats do it!" really is your rallying cry, eh?

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 1 November 2004 00:26 (nineteen years ago) link

really ... i would think that the pose of being an "idealist" who's "heart-broken" that a given political candidate of a major political party won't hew to said idealist's personal wish-list 100% was killed dead over the past 4 years!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 1 November 2004 00:27 (nineteen years ago) link

a cheap politician promising what he cannot deliver (and being proud of his fecklessness and intact political hymen) = snake-oil.

and where here did i ever state or even imply that "[plug in yer favorite atrocity] not wrong when Democrats do it!"?

god, radicals are annoying!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 1 November 2004 00:29 (nineteen years ago) link

peace on earth, good will to men, free pot, fucking in the streets, lions laying with lambs = all very nice, and worthy things to work towards.

a politician whose inability to break the mendoza line wr2 getting votes, and who has no realistic way to achieve any of said goals = peddling snake-oil.

those who vote for such a politician = "bitch, drink the kool-aid!"

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 1 November 2004 00:32 (nineteen years ago) link

and where here did i ever state or even imply that "[plug in yer favorite atrocity] not wrong when Democrats do it!"?

When you responded to me.

What I said: "I hope that the center-left and left won't forget that bombing innocent people, passing out handjobs for the wealthy and 'reforming' welfare are wrong when Democrats are in power."

You then disagreed and characterized it as Naderite snake-oil. (Which is funny, in that I never have been a 'Naderite,' any more than my vote for Kerry makes me a Kerryite this election.)

You're so caught up in with your irrational Nader-hate (not so unlike Chris Hitchens' Clinton-hate) that you're blind to the areas where he's right. You're so caught up in your irrational Nader-hate, in fact, that you bring him up when not warranted and characterize any and all criticism of the Democrats as part of his conspiracy.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 1 November 2004 00:49 (nineteen years ago) link

you're voting for kerry, milo? congrats!

― Sympatico (shmuel), Monday, 1 November 2004 01:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I already did. The Texas ballot was Kerry, Bush and Badnarik, writing in someone else seemed like too much work.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 1 November 2004 01:30 (nineteen years ago) link

No more Bush v. nothing to complain about is a fair tradeoff, methinks.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 1 November 2004 02:06 (nineteen years ago) link

i hate the whole you are canadian, so you cannot say anything about americans, that isolationaism. yanks have an empire, and the only thing that i can do as an inadvertent citizen under imperial gaurd is to point out the chinks in the armour.

― anthony, Monday, 1 November 2004 06:11 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm gonna vote for Teresa

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 1 November 2004 06:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Testify, Anth!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 1 November 2004 06:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Cheer up Anthony, at least you're in Ontario now, in western Canada you don't even have influence on CANADIAN politics! Which must make it scientifically the most irrelevant place in the universe

― dave q, Monday, 1 November 2004 06:53 (nineteen years ago) link

but they dont have sales tax in alberta, and come on anyone who doesnt think that klein and company dont have power is under the delusion that only parliments count.

but i did trade the drunken pumpkin for the superfuckable soccerdad. (i have actually wanked to dalton mcguinty)

― anthony, Monday, 1 November 2004 14:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't know how this fits in to the thread, but if Kerry wins (or not), I hope Ann Coulter is somehow decapitated.

― dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 1 November 2004 14:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Kerry himself maybe? On the joyous, air punching night that Blair first got elected I could never have imagined how viscerally I would come to loathe him.

― Frankiemachine, Monday, 1 November 2004 14:51 (nineteen years ago) link

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