It's Funny Because It's True

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I used to sneer at 'observational comedy' though quite what I wanted to replace it I don't know. But every time I saw a comedian on a late night comedy show they seemed to be all "You know when..." and "Why do they always..." and popcultreferencing. And of course the sneering continues with the righteous hatred heaped on Nostalgia Clip TV. But when in the pub this kind of thing is pretty much all I/we do. So is observational comedy funny or not, and even if it is funny is it too easy for people to be making a living from it?

Tom, Thursday, 22 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Observation comedy is funny when it is an observation which you have not made. Since much comedy is about sharing a moment (the moment of the punchline, the moment of realisation, the awful "I'm glad its not me of gallows humour/slapstick") since observational humour should be about problems we all have I don't have a problem with it.

Of course Ben Elton doing his tirade on the teapots that "always burn you" at service stations is not funny because it is just not true.

Pete, Thursday, 22 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Cue Duncan Thickett: 'Have you ever NO-AT-iced..?'

I reckon you sneer Tom, because these chancers are getting PAID for something you and I and everybody on this forum could do. And some on this forum could do a much better job!

So, its funny when you do it in the pub because no-one gets jealous, and we do it better.

Will, Thursday, 22 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But actually making that connection with an audience and taking them down to the observation - especially if it is an unusual one - is a big leap of faith in the audience and very hard to do. But then how much of a comedians stock in trade is material and how much is force of personality.

Pete, Thursday, 22 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Observation comedy is funny when it is an observation which you have not made

Surely Ben Elton's teapot gag fits this bill? I guess you mean an observation you haven't consciously formulated/heard before*. In which case I agree. One of my favourite bits in Seinfeld is when an annoying stand-up acquaintance of Jerry's starts doing really lame-o observational comedy routines (about dodgy shopping trolley wheels and stuff) and everyone loves it, including Kramer et al., who tell an increasingly exasperated Jerry he could learn a thing or two from him.

* like that BLOODY ALANIS MORISSETTE THING {sorry}

Nick, Thursday, 22 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

nick, rasps to you and Alanis:):) my current favourite thing i have nicked off someone is, funnily enough, also from Seinfeld (i am a recent convert) when Kramer is doing an impression of Jerry and keeps going "what is the deal with that?" heheh i love it! i think, though, that when i am down the pub my observations aren't actually supposed to be funny. for example earlier on i was moaning to Sarah about the age-old conumdrum that you see something in TopShop and make a mental note to buy it later, and then later it has ALWAYS DISAPPEARD, like the lovely burgundy socks i was going to buy. coming from me this is just a gripe, but if Jenny Eclair or someone said it it would (on paper, at least) count as comedy. i think it's all up to how you define yourself rather than the material itself. i define myself as a slightly pissed off sockless person, so my gripe is observational but not humorous. however i suppose it could be used as observational comedy - so, like, what is the deal with that?

katie, Thursday, 22 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sorry, an observation which is true that you haven't though of before. The Ben Elton one is so obviously untrue that it relied totally on force of personality.

Pete, Thursday, 22 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Or like your mental shopping list of records-to-buy evaporates as soon as you go into a record shop?

OH GOD, SORRY. I WILL SHUT UP NOW.

Will, Thursday, 22 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Why do they call it Ovaltine? The mug is round, the jar is round - they should call it Roundtine!

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Thursday, 22 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

GAH! You see what you've started, Tom? You SEE what you've started? Its out of control, out of control I tells ye! ;-)

Will, Thursday, 22 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

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Will, Thursday, 22 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh. It seems to be very much under control. Sorry.

Will, Thursday, 22 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I like stuff you don't have to think too much about.

Josh, Thursday, 22 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Krusty's attempts at ob com: "What's the deal with cardboard?"

Alan Trewartha, Thursday, 22 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tom really should have posed the question more like "And what is the deal with observational comedy? You've got these guys standing up there wearing gym shoes and sport jackets, like that goes together, and they're all blah blah blah...'"

No, I think the thing is that pre-early-80s comedy was largely about either the comedian's personality/performance, or some sort of issue - - Robin Williams or Steve Martin in the first category, or Richard Pryor in the second -- things the viewer didn't necessarily relate to on a gut level. There was a sort of screen inbetween performer and audience. Observational comedy surely seemed stunning at first, in that it gave people license to talk about the tiniest details of everyday life ("What's the deal with those airplane peanuts?"), bringing the comedian down to the level of the audience, essentially. This makes things funny -- there's always something funny about devoting a great deal of analysis and importance to some issue that's completely unimportant and yet still a huge part of your everyday life ("Those things on the end of your shoelaces -- is there a name for those?").

Problem is, it's quite thoroughly played-out. Especially given that I think it's converted an entire age range -- everyone who grew up in the 80s or later, really -- into observational comics, or anyway people who amuse themselves greatly by getting really analytical about mundanities. (Sitcoms put the nails in: people really do relate to one another as if they're on "Seinfeld" or "Friends" tquite a bit of the time, which isn't the worst thing in the world, but makes that next observational standup guy look pretty dull.)

Nitsuh, Thursday, 22 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Wait, I shouldn't have said "gut level" above -- I should have said "frequent personal experience level" or something like that. Pryor is far more gut-affecting than Seinfeld; Seinfeld, however, is always talking about something you just did the other day.

Further note: the huge rise in observational comedy surely came from comedians finding it a really, really easy source of material. I mean, you can just walk around doing your thing until something strikes you as amusing, and there you are.

Nitsuh, Thursday, 22 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Funny & true! When my son was about 9 I had a difficult time to serve him liver. One day a neighbor came over and he told my son that he'd never seen liver look like that! He said that's woodchuck and there's no better meat. He said he ate it a couple of times a week himself. My son couldn't get enough for dinner! The next day I sent him overto the store for some hamburger. The butcher asked my son if he wanted ground chuck(as it was what I usually bought ) My son said no thanks I had that yesterday! I just want plain hamburger. LOl Lol Gale

Gale Deslongchamps, Thursday, 22 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Och I don’t know da bladdy things da bladdy junkies come in from a da DDU and they want their fares claimed bladdy £3.25 to go to the Tregunter Road you could spit on a da Tregunter Road from here bladdy psyches as well all come down one of them pressed the face to the window and say I shall report you for not giving me da £55 to go from the Eardley Crescent to a da Marloes Road via the Shepherd’s Bush and the Inverness as he fell asleep and went to Heathrow sleepwalkin on da plane load a rubbish the bladdy psyches an a da DDU they should string them up with a da piano wire oh look Kris a da look it’s a da man who comes on da LBC at 4:30 in da mornin we got to go to a da bank do Nora Dunn a da Irish punts

stan a da man you see, Friday, 23 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)


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