People who describe patently shit films as "classics"...

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Recently I've had the following films described as "classics" that should never be remade as they are timeless:

Dirty Dancing
Ghost
Pretty Woman

Quite horrible really.

― C-Taylor, Thursday, 25 November 2004 09:40 (twenty-one years ago)

The "never should be remade" bit is correct, at least.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 25 November 2004 09:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Ditto.

Dirty Dancing 2? I mean, yawn. God, please don't remake / sequel bloody Ghost, man!

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 25 November 2004 09:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, but this thread is about the people who etc. Each to their own I suppose.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 25 November 2004 09:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Man, these films are terrible. Girls like a lot of poo films but these movies are beneath defense. Any movie that has Patrick Swayze in a lead role is doomed to be pants.

Dirty Dancing? Jeezus. Thanks for letting me get that off my chest.

― C-Taylor, Thursday, 25 November 2004 09:55 (twenty-one years ago)

No prob. Laters.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 25 November 2004 09:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I mentioned Citizen Kane as an example of a classic film and was told that she had heard it was "boring and shit".

Sigh. I'm going on hunger strike.

Actually no I'm not.

― C-Taylor, Thursday, 25 November 2004 10:00 (twenty-one years ago)

but peoples' tastes are their own, and its her right to enjoy 'shit' films (or films you don't like). just like its your right to enjoy exploitative pseudo-snuff horror movies.

― stevie (stevie), Thursday, 25 November 2004 10:25 (twenty-one years ago)

When have I ever liked or enjoyed psuedo snuff horror films? Are you taking the piss or wot?

― C_Taylor, Thursday, 25 November 2004 10:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Um, people, you're feeding it.

― He's allergic to lettuce (Mark C), Thursday, 25 November 2004 10:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Persuade her to see CitKan. It was way better than I expected. (not the greatest ever, but it's like the beatles in that it's OK even now, just not the best ever all things considered)

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 25 November 2004 10:43 (twenty-one years ago)

my girlfriend was reluctant to watch old hollywood movies with me till she saw the philadelphia story and realised how quick the scripts zipped past in those days.

― stevie (stevie), Thursday, 25 November 2004 10:51 (twenty-one years ago)

The Philadelphia Story is not even one of my fave classics - and it's still much better than most pap you'll see today. I'd love to sit my flat down to Citizen Kane (which I still think is one of the most watchable movies ever made), Casablanca, Some Like it Hot, Bride of Frankenstein, The Wolf Man, It's a Wonderful Life, It Happened One Night...

― C_Taylor, Thursday, 25 November 2004 10:55 (twenty-one years ago)

The kids would love "some like it hot". They loved the Morecame and Wise film "that riviera touch" and "Rock and roll high school" recently.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 25 November 2004 10:57 (twenty-one years ago)

"Some like it Hot" is great, we have that one.

Muh 'ooman's favourite film = "galaxy quest" fwiw. I like that one a lot as well.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 25 November 2004 11:01 (twenty-one years ago)

some like it hot never gets old...

― stevie (stevie), Thursday, 25 November 2004 11:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Too many people have a cinematic interest that begins with STAR WARS and ends with Michael Bay. No wonder you get dummys that actually think Dirty Dancing is as good as cinema gets. It does make any self-respecting cinephile want to scream.

― C_Taylor, Thursday, 25 November 2004 11:04 (twenty-one years ago)

but i love movies you would consider classics, but also love star wars and also the smokey and the bandit movies. too many people use their love of an artform as a means to make themselves superior to others.

― stevie (stevie), Thursday, 25 November 2004 11:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Star Wars is great. Smokey and the Bandit less so. There's always a place for trash too for crying out loud. Just not scientifically proven shit (like the films intially mentioned).

― C_Taylor, Thursday, 25 November 2004 11:08 (twenty-one years ago)

but cman there's no such thing as a movie that's been scientifically proven to be shit! its all subjective - that's why art is better than science.

― stevie (stevie), Thursday, 25 November 2004 11:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I read c's post as "scientifically created shit" which is closer to the mark really.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 25 November 2004 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, "Titanic" is pretty much objectively shit in my world. This is of course my subjective... hm... er...

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 25 November 2004 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)

hey, i hated Titanic, don't get me wrong. i've just never been convinced that this fact made me better than people who loved it.

― stevie (stevie), Thursday, 25 November 2004 11:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Worst film ever made:

www.moonlightbythesea.com

Even a friend of mine, who has seen Baise Moi and thought that was as bad as cinema gets, had to eat his words after seeing this indie piece of shit travesty.

― C_Taylor, Thursday, 25 November 2004 11:18 (twenty-one years ago)

worst film you've ever seen, Calum, unless you've seen every film ever made.

― stevie (stevie), Thursday, 25 November 2004 11:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I quite liked "Southlander", the indie film w/Beck and Beth Orton, amongst other actual actors. Where does that rank in the quality stakes, I dunno.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 25 November 2004 11:25 (twenty-one years ago)

You need to check out the web site I posted. It really is the most unbearable film ever. When the director gave a Q and A afterwards it took all my patience not to kick him in the ass and tell him to get a new career.

― C_Taylor, Thursday, 25 November 2004 11:36 (twenty-one years ago)

people consider these films classics because they have personal resonance. I guess you have to have a life to understand that Calum

― lukey (Lukey G), Thursday, 25 November 2004 12:49 (twenty-one years ago)

zing!

― stevie (stevie), Thursday, 25 November 2004 13:13 (twenty-one years ago)

if by q&a, you mean regarding southlander, mail me the link ta.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 25 November 2004 13:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Calum was having a sensible(ish) thread for a change, no need to be nasty to him

― Why Does Herr Dadaismus Run Amok? (Dada), Thursday, 25 November 2004 13:15 (twenty-one years ago)

calum is referring to this I believe. The stills look quite nice in a sub brazil-meets-tarkovski kind of way. I have never seen or heard of this film. Pretty website, though.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 25 November 2004 13:24 (twenty-one years ago)

from that webpage:

news|nov 2004

"calum you are a twat and we all hate you, x0x0x MBTS crew"

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 25 November 2004 13:26 (twenty-one years ago)

ok, I made that bit up.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 25 November 2004 13:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I just wasted 1.4 mins looking for that, norm.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 25 November 2004 13:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Film looks quite interesting though

(I will no doubt never see it tho)

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 25 November 2004 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)

But the essence of it seems to be holding your subjective opinions of art as some objective value judgment, and using these opinions and whether or not other people hold them as a means of 'objective' judgement of someone's 'intelligence' or other qualities thereof. I'm saying that this is dumb and unworkable. I'm also saying that, unless Calum has seen *every single movie ever made*, its unlikely that he could describe a movie as the 'worst' (not even tackling issues of subjective worth, what makes a movie 'good' or 'bad') with any kind of authority. Remind me again how the initial question was 'sensible' in any way other than extremely relatively...

― stevie (stevie), Thursday, 25 November 2004 13:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Relative sensibility is a start at least

― Why Does Herr Dadaismus Run Amok? (Dada), Thursday, 25 November 2004 13:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's taken as read that whenever anyone says "Worst xxx ever", they are implying "that I have seen".

Unless, like "sex lives of the Potato men" had it by word of mouth, they are talking received wisdom.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 25 November 2004 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Ok I appologise, I am in a bad mood. Calum i will buy you a krispy Kreme donut to make amends.

― lukey (Lukey G), Thursday, 25 November 2004 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)

For the record, everyone that saw Moonlight thought it was the worst film ever made. It's terrible. It should never be seen by anyone. Ever.

And if everything is subjective then that's all popular debate rendered redundant right away isn't it?

― C-Taylor, Thursday, 25 November 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Good point. Although I think everything is subjective, thats what makes everything debatable. Descarts established the only inalienable truth, everything else is up for grabs. It must be remembered that many who think Dirty Dancing or (the much worse) ghost is a classic also think the same of Dido's White Flag. In short they are idiots for whome culture is not that important. Anyway appologies for being rude earlier.

― lukey (Lukey G), Thursday, 25 November 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Are these people the same sort of people that call Coffee And Cigarettes "one of the finest comedies of recent memory"?????

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 25 November 2004 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)

naa, too high brow, these are the sort of people who think Aladdin was better than Toy Story

― lukey (Lukey G), Thursday, 25 November 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

If they are then I congratulate them on their good taste.

― C-Taylor, Thursday, 25 November 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that Leonard Toy Story?

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 25 November 2004 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Leonard Toy Story Part 6

― Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 25 November 2004 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Ok Aladdin is cool, but toy story is clearly better

― lukey (Lukey G), Thursday, 25 November 2004 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I like "White Flag" the song, for sentimentalist reasons. Eat me.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 25 November 2004 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)

she is the devil incarnate.

― lukey (Lukey G), Thursday, 25 November 2004 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

(Obviousliy not reading the FT Top 100 movies then. Things can only get better).

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 25 November 2004 15:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I think we can all agree that Highlander roxx!!! Me Bonny Heather!!!!!!

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 25 November 2004 16:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Dirty Dancing is a classic.

― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Thursday, 25 November 2004 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)

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