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I hate this movie so much and the album is mostly awful, too. I hate the flowers that look like vulvas, I hate the schoolchildren bit, I hate most of all the main guy, his "descent into his own terrifying vision" or something. His mother, wifey problems, his evil schoolmaster who said the lyrics to "Money" are rubbish, his reaction to them all I hate. I hate the chick who tries to sleep with him, I hate even more how he tries to kill her.

― 1 1 2 3 5, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I mean, come to think of it, I hated most of all his reaction to his wife. Sure, she had an affair but he treated her very poorly before this. Did he want her or not? He acts so offended when she turns away, but he was ignorey earlier.

Same with "American Beauty", I don't like the wives or their actions in either of these films, but it kills me how their husbands treat them before their affairs.

― 1 1 2 3 5, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Welcome to the life of Roger Waters -- I think I'll avoid it.

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I thik the "American Beauty" parallel falls down because Annette Benning's character appeared to be a controlling, evil shrew before Kevin Spacey became mean. Also, her impetuous for the affair had less to do with mistreatment by Spacey and more to do with wanting hot animal Gallagher-Love.

As far as "The Wall" is concerned, one should not watch that movie when depressed, particularly after listening to _Pornography_ five times in a row. Still like it, though.

― Dan Perry, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My sister thinks that Geldof is "sexy" in this movie. :-(

― Nicole, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah, I just don't get it. Why didn't the dumb fucker put a door in his stupid wall?

― Kim, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i blame roger waters for making one of the worst, most depressing movies ever; i blame marijuana for making a generation or two think it was some kind of massive, major "statement" about anything other than waters' neuroses. "ha ha! the judge is, like, an ass!!!"

― your null fame, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've never seen the show. The album doesn't appeal to me as much as i was hoping...but it has a few good bits.

― Maria, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

so you thought you might like to come to the show...the movie made me want to cut my nipples off, watch it when in a psych clinic...it makes sense.

― geoff, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Mind you, if there was ever a band it made sense to perform behind a wall, the none to pretty Floyd is them.

― Pete, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i love marijuana. however i think the wall is shit. just wanted to destroy the previously stated logic.

― chaki, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i like the album, think the film is stoopid, and find marijuana boring. just to be damn fucking contrary for the umpteenth time today.

― Alan Trewartha, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I was at the Earls Court show when the Wall fell down too soon. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ....

As I've said elsewhere, the movie is essential for the soundtrack (better atmospherics, extra songs and nice new versions of songs from the album). But the sexual politics are as suspect as you say (the ideas were there on the album too, the movie just exposes the problem more clearly). Could be argued away as a satire on 70s rock excess etc. but, if so, I don't buy it.

― Jeff W, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Wall is Roger Waters attempting to channel the spirit of 'crazy diamond' Syd Barrett and make some profound statement out of it. But while Barrett was really crazy, Waters is just a guy who thinks it would be REALLY COOL to be crazy, because the modern world is just too much to deal with, etc. And he doesn't have the same gift for words, so the lyrics seem a little obvious. It definitely has its moments, though - 'comfortably numb' is a really arresting idea. Its popularity is a little surprising considering how bleak it is, but I guess you could say the same for a lot of things like that.

Also, it's Alan Parker we have to blame for the movie, not Waters.

― Justyn Dillingham, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Would have been better if Parker had filmed it with kids like he originally planed, as in Bugsy Mallone.

Bob Geldof = Chachi.

― Pete, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

what's the HUGE HUGE HUGE appeal of PF, does anyone think? I don't HATE everything they did by any means, punXoR-stylee (tho I *do* hate Dark Side and The Wall), but as I watched the Syd prog on Saturday, I found myself thinking, well, blimey, this group was thuddingly OK throughout their lifespan, deeply patchy, actually goodf much less often then many much less successful groups. The survivors are posh dullards, pleasant enough I suppose, but feh. So was it always just all about Syd, and Syd's sahdow after Syd was no more? Via the 60s anti-psychiatric pro-children twee impulse?

I wish they'd shown a pic of him fat and bald, since clinical insanity = dreary and crap, not glamorous.

(ps PF = pink floyd not the pinefox: the huge huge huge appeal of the latter I understand and concur with totally)

― mark s, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"Fat and bald" - what's unglamorous about that?

― dave q, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Huge appeal of Pink Floyd down to the mystery of adolescent boys. PF - ewspecially prog PF - never sing about gurls. They never sing about sex and only occasionally (cf dysfunctional The Wall) never sing about relationships. It is all big themes, and hippy shit. This appeals to adolescent boys who do not understand gurls and do not want to be constantly reminded that they cannot get off with gurls.

(Listening to - say Duran Duran you will be constantly rminded that you are inadequate). Pink Floyd is all about "listenbing to the music man" - whcih gurls don't do, deep & meaningful cover art (gurls just like pretty boys) and songs which last as long as your first faltering wank.

― Pete, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

pete you marathin man on ummagumma the songs are one side long each!!

― mark s, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Masturbating to Ummagumma in early life is very dangerous because of the possibility of developing deep rooted association between orgasms and small furry animals.

― RickyT, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Mark, its sort of a "get in bed, turn light off, listen to Floyd, get bored and know song does not do anything for about ten minutes, try to occupy yourself with something, hello - what's this little fella down here. Hmmmm. Ooh, ooh, (and as Victor Lewis Smith's Camp Daleks would say - White Wee-wee), must clean up before Mum finds stains, back to bed over-excited, Floyd still grooving in a cave with a Pict. ZZZzzzzzzzzzz."

That kind of thing.

― Pete, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

'WHAT'S THIS LITTLE FELLA DOWN HERE'? How old were you when you first noticed you had a penis then Pete?

― Emma, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

19.

Nope - it might have been 20. That's how old I was when I met you.

Okay, so I should rephrase that: "What's this little fella down here up to."

― Pete, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Pete stop shamelessly chasing the double act vote with your crude remarks.

― Emma, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes, concentrate on Emma's rear instead.

― Tom, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sorry, its just that I haven't seen you all weekend and I've missed you. All I had was being at home with my Dad's old Pink Floyd records. And I can't even get it up to Animals any more.

― Pete, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well I didn't miss you, I was too busy doing things you would disapprove of and explaining what Bling Bling means to a man of 25. Young people today. Tch tch. Lucky I had my ginormous diamante hoops on to give him an example.

― Emma, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But why Pink Floyd? The Van der Graaf Generator didn't sing about girls either. What prog band sang about girls? And a lot of girls like PF too.

― sundar subramanian, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

what's the HUGE HUGE HUGE appeal of PF, does anyone think?

Defend yourself, the pinefox!

― Nick, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Masturbating to Ummagumma in early life is very dangerous because of the possibility of developing deep rooted association between orgasms and small furry animals.
-- RickyT ([email protected]), November 26, 2001.

ULP there, boy of um, badgers. Anyway, stop talking about Pink Floyd now. Can we talk about YES instead? A TIME AND A WORD is my favourite YES album, sadly I haf nevah heard Tales from Topographic Oceans. I'm in no rush to rectify (wrongify) this though. CLOSE TO THE EDGE (oowwwaaaaaah!!!!) is my favourite YES song, I do think it is from album TIME AND A WORD but I might be wrong for I do not actually own the albums. Oh and I slip I slide into mundanity...

― Sarah, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

(i wuv it when d nicky d makes a joke i already made ten posts up)

― mark s, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

close to the edge possibly from album named close to the edge

― mark s, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

TAR Mark! In that case, CLOSE TO THE EDGE is my favourite album by Yes and a Time and a Word is my second favourite. I didn't like the Yes album very much I must say. Where is my Yes tape that DM sent me? (where is the dreeeeeeeeme that I paaaaaaaayed deeeeereleeeeeeeey? no- one will eeeeevah wuv yooooo honestleeeeeeeeeeey)

― Sarah, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I direct you to the PROG OUT Thread, to take of Rick Wakemans King Arthur & The Round Table On Ice....

― Pete, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

(i wuv it when d nicky d makes a joke i already made ten posts up)

Oh yeah. Sorry - I didn't read the thread properly cause it was about Pink Floyd.

― Nick, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

There's been more sex in this thread than in Pink Floyd's whole career, so that says something.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Pink Floyd is very appealing if you like to wallow in self-pity and such. I have my Pink Floyd months and my "good lord give me something with some excitement" months.

― Maria, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

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