PROG OUT!

i spent a good chunk of the weekend listening to the fripp/eno recods. ist this prog?

(i sort of like the canterbury/wyatt schtuff...the wind in the willows of pop music it is.)

Well I loved "In the Court of the Crimson King" and "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" had its moments, but the rest was a bit naff.

The CAPES.

Can someone post a picture of TARKUS? We were trying to explain it to Emma in the pub but I don't think our powers of description were mighty enough.

see http://www.progreviews.com/reviews/ELP-Tark.jpg for a picture.

ELP were decidedly naff. The Nice however, were cool. Keith Emerson was the mainman in both. These statements are all true. I still don't understand why.

Might it be something to do with Greg Lake's rug?

i haf come ovah all small and fuzzy and 13 again, w.crush on [d] and puzzlement at backstory contained in this mastahpiece

Nick, please tell me how you do that (post picture instead of clumsy un-blue link.) And whilst we're there, how does one insert what the P F calls blue writing?

View the source, Daf.

TULL ROOLZ. Thick As A Brick = BLIRRIANT. Aqualung = anti-Christian bitterness => GENIUS.

Yes David, view the source. If you think that sounds like wizard speak, then what he means is go to 'View' on your menu (assuming you have Internet Explorer - not sure of equivalent on Netscape, Lynx, Mosaic or whatever) and chose 'Source'. That lets you see the HTML coding. So you can then see what I typed to do Tarkus

Basically, to do a link you type <a href="http://whatevertheaddressisyouwanttolinkto" >Whateverthewordsyouwanttobeblue</a>

And to post a picture, it needs to already be on a website somewhere, and you type <img src="http://whatevertheaddressofthepictureis">

it was inevitable that a thread about prog would devolve into wizard speak.

But Obi-Wan RickyT, that advice is equally incomprehensible to me

Hmmm I am occasionally tempted to go and have a listen to my old genesis records wot I did like as a wee nipper, and usually realise VERY QUICKLY that this is a baaad idea, esp. when in the company of others who do not think songs have lyrics like "THIS IS A MESSAGE FROM GENETIC CONTROL THERE IS TO BE A FOUR FOOT HEIGHT RESTRICTION ON HUMANOID HEIGHT" are very good. I will, however still defend the grand parade of lifeless packaging. As far as prog goes, tho that was um... as far as I went. Tho did buy a roxy music record the other day and that has a drum solo on it don't it? drum solo=prog no? But prog not sexy and roxy music = sexy so not prog. Hobbits and 16 minute 7/8 organ solos are where it's at man. And yes I did used to listen to it cos I was crap with gurls.

Tom, you may well have been trying to explain it to me in the pub but the fact that I have little recollection makes me think my lack of understanding was due to apathetic disinterest rather than your poor powers of explaining.

Thanks to Mark S I now know that my favourite progressive rock album is Close to the Edge by Yes and my second favourite is a Time and a Word. I think everyone is Yes was stupid apart from Rick Wakeman who is great. Selling out Wembley Stadium on ICE is a good thing. I am very tired and want to die. I will be more enthusiastic later. FLOP.

Bless you, Nick.

And you still have lovely hair.

I like King Crimson's "Red"... (Starless and Bible Black is good too)

thanks to dave q, i now know my favourite yes album = tormato which i may in fact *nevah* haf heard (i was already just punXoR, and v.yr-zero at that, wwhen it arrived)

I would imagine it would be Wembley Arena he sold out rather than the much more difficult to freeze over Wembley Stadium. Much like Holiday On Ic - or the bizarre Toy STory 2 on ice (if its a different story, why the 2?)

Six Wives of Henry 8 has fantastic cover.

I really wish I could say I liked more of the music, but I don't. Spiritualized might count, tho.

Anyway, anthing that involves hobgoblins and faeries can't be all bad. It can be 90% bad, but not totally so.

I love Nicole.

"By-Tor And The Snow Dog" is simultaneously the worst and best song ever recorded. I love RUSH.

Ah yeah! But the Four Horsemen of the Apocolypse! Aphrodites Child now that was some band - wot a song. Like dan said, simultaniously the best and worst song ever. A band that contained vangelis and demis roussos (can't be arsed to look up how to spell it) can't be bad. Used to have it on the jukebox at a bar round here, but unfortunately it went the same was as part time punks and fade into you. Which aren't prog obviously.

QUITE RIGHT there Pete, ah the tiredness of my head. I shall soothe it tonight but nicking Lixis copy of Close to the Edge and drinking whiskey/midori mmmmmmmm.

"By-Tor And The Snow Dog" is simultaneously the worst and best song ever recorded.

Heh heh heh. But then there's that whole thing on the second side of Caress of Steel about the Necromancer and of course the song "Rivendell" and...

"But prog not sexy and roxy music = sexy so not prog."

Hmmmm, The Bogus Man was prog at a stretch, surrealist conceptual lyrics about a phantom stalker and all, but I'm not sure the rest of their back catalogue is though.

Never was a big fan of Genesis, 10 CC, Pink floyd (post Syd period)... not even David Bowie. Those are considered to be prog rock/ art rock, no? I like it dumb or sugary. "Pure Pop for Dumb People"

Oh, Neddy, Neddy. You'll nevuh be Geddy.
That Necromancer thingy was on Side 1 and featured the return of Snow Dog. Side 2 was all about The Fountain of Lamneth. And featured a drum solo called Didacts and Narpets. I'm not making this up, honest.

Oh, Neddy, Neddy. You'll nevuh be Geddy.

Some things I'm glad I don't immediately recall. ;-)

Calling Hopkins, Hopkins to thread please...

until he gets here, ALL PROG IS SHITE MADE BY PUBLIC SCHOOLBOYS WHO WERE TOO POSH AND PRETENTIOUS TO LISTEN TO MARC BOLAN

Calling Phay, Phay to thread please...

until he gets here, ALL ANTI-PROG PROPAGANDA IS SHITE MADE BY PUBLIC SCHOOL 'PUNKS' WHO ARE TOO CHICKENSHIT TO ADMIT THEY ACTUALLY PREFERRED JETHRO TULL TO ROXY MUSIC AT THE TIME

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I LOve EVERYTHING about prog except for ELP, and I even like their track "The Endless Enigma" a lot too. I even like k-obskure bands like Spring, Cressida & Gracious. I even like 1980's prog rock revival bands like IQ and Twelfth Night. Oh, sorry, not P3ndragon. They are cobblers. Even so, I came down to london once, and saw a poster for a gig - "Pendragon", Galahad" and "Excalibur". An Arthurian koncept gig. WHAT IS THERE NOT TO LIKE ABOUT THAT?¡

I would put Anglagard's "Epilog" album up against any rekord made by anyone ever. Blah blah anyway, I'm sure U've all heard it all before from me.

That was very quick Lord Phay. I think you must get your butler to scan ILx for mentions of Prog. He was your batman in the trenches, and your fag at the old coll. Huzzah!

Steve, is Marc Bolan the antithesis of prog, then? & therefore likely to be defended by Professor Hopkins?

How much of that Tyrannosaurus Rex stuff have you listened to?

Prog vs punk? Why, I'll take pronk. Actually I have v few records that might count as pronk, but it's a great word. Mmm, springboks. *poing*

As for prog proper, I suspect I might like bits of it (I have been known to enjoy the occasional 7/8 solo - take it, Sarah!) but have been too image-conscious to find out. However, a friend has sent me mp3 cds of their prog collection just because they felt like it, so when I feel brave enough to listen to them I'll let you know. Ulp. Well, I probably won't, because this thread will have died by then and nobody actually cares what I think about prog anyway, but, y'know.

When I was 13 I daydreamt about playing in a prog band.

Yes and Genesis records are a staple of my pop music listening these days. I think it's due to a mix of having done guitar lessons in the 80s, living in Quebec, and not being in university anymore. What do I like about it? The nimble flow of Yes's rhythms, Jon Anderson's floating voice, the undeniable pop melodies, the light, sparkling guitars. The gleeful whimsy of a "Starship Trooper" or the tension and drama of a "Heart of the Sunrise." The way "The Fish" swallows you further with each layer that is added. Peter Gabriel's bent theatricality, Steve Hackett's geometric picking, the twisting tunes and medieval organs and galloping beats. The ambition and idealism. The musical diversity. The conviction that chart-friendly pop music can be an arena for individualistic challenging artistic statements (not a conviction exclusive to prog, obviously). I like the theatrical pathos and dynamics and mood of the Van der Graaf Generator's Pawn Hearts. I like the way Mellotrons sound. I like 2 minute songs but I like longer ones too. I don't find any of it especially sexy but that's OK. I don't want to do anything to the records but listen to them.

yes, clearly bolan was a bad choice. i realised this whilst in the bath last nite...

look i've come to reappraise my opinions on virtually every other form of popular musical entertainment over the past few years, but prog is stick DICK. An example: i was watching that syd (barrett, not vicious) documentary on saturday, and HOW RUBBISH ARE THE LYRICS TO PINK FLOYD SONGS??? ("very" is the answer btw) nasty sixth form rhymes, no ooomph, mate, that's the problem with yer prog, not enough ooomph, too much widdly-widdly...

pink floyd = not prog but birf of punk as all kno

Listening to Wyclyffe Jean this morning talking about him being the the only kid in the projects listening to Pink Floyd made my heart bleed.

Firth of Fifth makes me cry. At least it used to, haven't put it on in a long long while.

Did anyone else grow up with the mainstream psych/prog/proto-metal as their classic rock? Even into the early 90s the local classic rock/album rock station would do things like play entire sides of Jethro Tull or ELP albums or do a show with an hour or two devoted to prog. When the hard rock station did a "540 greatest songs of all time" countdown there would usually be maybe 5 Yes songs, several Tull, a couple Procol Harum, "21st Century Schizoid Man," "In-a-Gadda- da-Vida," etc (probably 20 Led Zeppelin songs, a load of Purple). I actually don't remember hearing as much Beatles on those stations, or as much Van Morrison or whatever (I may just have paid less attention). Whatever one thinks of the stuff (and, obviously, a lot of it is not that essential) it was at least more ambitious, varied, and interesting than whatever contemporary rock music or really any other rock music they were playing on the radio. Taking guitar lessons, with teachers who lived for the stuff, with posters of the bands on the walls, and with guitar magazines that still had high respect for that music, might have had something to do with it. In fact when I started listening to college radio what drew me was just the awe that music that exciting was going on in the current time. (Hearing the Sex Pistols did make prog seem a little passe but it didn't offer that much to replace it.) It seems that there has been somewhat of a change in what is considered "classic rock." It used to surprise me how few people actually have any awareness of that stuff. When people describe something like the Velvets as classic rock, it still strikes me as weird.

TURN IT ON AGAIN by Genesis, I think that's good. Also MAMA HA HA HA by the same group. Sometimes I am tempted to buy Genesis comp for these tracks. Someone called KEITH once sent me a tape of PROG ROCK MAYHEM, I must look it out sometime. WAKEMAN- fucking fantastic. ELP- Common Man RIGHT ON. The sound of whoever came before Daley Thompson. Mary Peters. TARKUS responsible for many deaths.

Genesis may = prog but Turn it on Again and MaMa do = Genesis but *that* Genesis not = prog. Get right.

You know, I was thinking of saying that earlier on ... :).

Oh.

Hey! This thread is great!