People who start threads with "I don't give a shit"

I don't really get what's upsetting you Mark. Is it people who have an air of not caring about how what they say might affect other people?

Samantha, that's a big part of it. But it's also like saying "I want to put across my opinion, but I don't want to have to listen to it debated or deconstructed". Oh and being rude about it at the same time.

When it comes to my own opinions, I suppose I don't deeply care what many people think, particularly somewhere like ILE because I know so few of you to any real extent. But at the same time I want to be liked. I want to give people happiness, I want to add to their lives as much as I want the fact they like me to make me feel good about myself.

I love reading Ned's posts, for example, because they're good- natured, funny, informative and he's always willing to back up his arguments. Some others annoy me, not because the points they're making are difficult, reactionary, vulgar whatever, but because it's evident they're declaiming a statement with zero desire to hear anyone else's views.

It's all about the rules of community. These things are fucking difficult to keep going, and there are rules, actual and virtual about how we behave. To me, debate is an essential. Christ, that's why we're all here. To refuse to listen to other people's responses to something you've just posited seems philosophically dead wrong.

Does that make any more sense? I fear it may not.

p.s. when I said other people annoy me, I can't thinking of a single ILE poster who falls into this cataegory. FWIW.

I'm a defensive coward, that's all there is to it, I suppose.

I wish I could spend more time analysing but I have to start working on something for now

I love reading Ned's posts, for example, because they're good- natured, funny, informative and he's always willing to back up his arguments.

What the FUCK do you mean? ;-) More seriously -- well, gosh, thanks, but I think Mark S is the real king of all those qualities in one place. I really wouldn't worry about it too much, what you were mentioning at the top, just seems like a random figure of speech to me.

!! Everybody duck! The Kaiser's gone MENTAL!!

I understand Mark. I think to some extent the posts that come off that way might just be an attempt to avoid the thread mutation that can happen around controversial topics. People seem to fall into discussing the controversy of a certain post rather than discussing whatever the post brought up to begin with.

(also I agree with you about Ned that's why I nominated him for nicest poster.)

are you kidding?? ned's the king of "i like what i like, and i donts what i dont. ::shrug::" *that's* a defense? ;)

Fiddle on you, Jess. That's the *core* of my approach, but it doesn't explain the detailed appreciations or condemnations. ;-)

Jesus, STOP WITH THE WINKING!!! ;) ;) ;)

OK. I just needed to get that off my chest. Continue on.

You're asking me, as Jesus, to stop with the winking. This can be done.

THY WILL BE DONE.

;)

;( = thom yorke ?

IMPOSTER!

Mitch - are you suggesting Thom Yorke represents 'tongue in cheek melancholy'? I think of Radiohead as representing 'prog rock Massive Attack.' Symbolised by $$

i think that mitch was suggesting that the blinky frown looks like dour thom yorke, he of the ambassadors for the lazy eye. but hey, whadda i know.

Oh I forgot, that lazy eye is the best thing about Radiohead

yes, the answer is.... THE LAZY EYE! Though can you elaborate on the $$ = prog. massive attack thing Maryann, i don't think i understand it.

massive attack prog rock is redundant.

tom yorke is the steven tyler of the lazy eye. rowr.

But what if someone was starting a thread about constipation?

I'm sorry!! *hangs head in shame*

Use of pedals/drones to establish key and then boring ripped-off classical melodies in a non-aeolian/ionian mode over the top is a paint by numbers way to create an accessible but strange/intelligent sounding music (prog massive attack style). Path to $$ in the non- mainstream niche?

methinks this deserves a thread of its own.

I'll give it a try and tell you "yes" when I get rich.

and Maryann wants royalties.

if i'm rich, maryann can have them.

actually i can take over this dying thread at any time since it's named after and exists because of MEEH haha

Aaaarrgh! The rules of community! Taliban a go go!!

Oh no! MC2 wants ILx to be a robust, sober forum wherein members of said community can raise sundry key issues which have been hitherto unjustly excluded from the debate!

For Chrissakes quit whining. Why, when there are literally MILLIONS of dull, overly verbose, indigestible, exquisitely balanced, polemic- free chatrooms and message boards across the web which will allow you the opportunity to engage in meaningful and rational debate, do a bunch of late-starting do-gooders want to have a go at the 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of boards which do things differently - like these ones? ILx should be about COLOUR, about ARGUMENT, about CHALLENGING EVERY SINGLE BELIEF AND IDLE PREJUDICE IN ONE'S OWN HUMANITY AND THEREFORE ENLARGING IT, and above everything about ENTERTAINMENT.

You know, I really feel like starting a mock message board along the lines of "I Love Raising Key Issues Thus Far Criminally Omitted From The Debate" just to see how boring and lifeless it would be.

For Chrissakes quit whining.

yu talkin' ta me ?

well if this board, since its all about me, whining is allowed : ) but i guess mark c was just angry at the way i phrased my Q

MC1,

Well duh! Have another look at what I was saying - "COLOUR, about ARGUMENT, about CHALLENGING EVERY SINGLE BELIEF AND IDLE PREJUDICE IN ONE'S OWN HUMANITY AND THEREFORE ENLARGING IT, and above everything about ENTERTAINMENT" is the whole fucking point!

I liked the "late-starting do-gooders" bit, though. A well-thought out point that needed to be said.