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I find my emotional life being reduced to one ugly feeling - blazing, mouth-foaming resentment against ANYONE who doesn't have to work full time. Bums, invalids, trustafarians, backpackers, popstars, circumstances don't matter. Anytime somebody who doesn't wear the work albatross tries to tell me anything, I find myself snapping "Shut up, you know nothing about fucking anything, you don't have to get up every fucking morning etc" and smashing plates. As a result my social life has disappeared, as I can't bear to be in the vicinity of slobs who lead a life of leisure, but I also hate being around achievers because it's all I can do to keep myself from demanding money off them. This is particularly difficult in London, as so many people seem to 'live by their wits' (i.e. crime), and I'm just not cut out for that sort of shit. Does anyone know of a way to get over this feeling, before one shrivels up into a hateful soul who has no other dreams beside watching other people suffer?

dave q, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh, and save all the 'why don't you find another job?'-type 'helpful' advice. If it involves working for somebody else I'm not interested. Yeah I know it's my own fault for dropping out of university, OK?

dave q, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I find myself feeling the same way about charvers up here in the NE ov England. I wish they'd all DIE.

Norman Charva Hata, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

well done dave, you've managed to pre-empt almost anything helpful that anyone could say to you. it's incredibly short-sighted to envy homeless people - oh, you don't give a shit about circumtances. why don't you look for a nice job - oh, you're not even going to try and beat yourself up about quitting uni instead. hmm. well here's a thought - why don't you GO BACK TO UNI. then you can slob around to your heart's content for a couple of years and hopefull emerge feeling that you can contribute something to the job market that doesn't involve feeling resentful. jeez.

katie, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I am unemployed and live a life of luxury. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! *deep breath* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DG, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

either that or shut up and get on with it like the rest of us have to.

katie, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

er, the rest of us apart from DG that is. WASTER! etc :)

katie, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I work part time and am a graduate student and i do house work. Whi am i feeling defensive

anthony, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i work some of the time but will never be able to afford an eastonesque kitschen.

as yr know - i k-hate charvers - especially the fckhd who wanted spare change on the metty - wearing clothage thrice the cost of my ensemble and smerkin - fckff fakybggrs

, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Aye, an they aways smerk their taaack on the metro.

k-classick line from charver prtty thief caught by cops. "aaaa waz only doin' it t feed meee fukn family maaaan" (trans. I spent the money on poor quality marijuana and carlsberg special brew) Charvers ripped off my emu emax2 sampler. Fuckers.

Norman Phay, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hey, watch what you say about Trustafarians!!!

After the freaking Mgs of abuse I had to endure for one little remark slagging off office workers WHILE I STILL WAS ONE (therefore rightfully able to complain) ... I now feel the need to stand up for the Trustafarians and the Leisure Class. Fuck you. You don't know how hard it is being posh and not doing a damned thing all day!

kate, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Its not an easton kitchen its a cohenesqe kitchen ,

anthony, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

full of drunken zen poets?

geoff, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I am quite resentful to the other students here. They seem to live of their loans, and don't have jobs. I however, work 4 days a week and go to college the other 3. This may be stupid, but at least I'm not tucked up in academia, like a naive little puppy. Maybe it's because I worked for 2 years before coming here, supporting myself for 1 of those. I can't imagine not working. It annoys me that others can get by by doing a lot less than I do.

alix, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't really get on with the students here who work lots of hours. I employ lots of students and don't let them do more than 15 hours (mainly for ease of tax reasons). Mainly because their studies are important, but the period of being a student should be relatively hedonistic and without responsibility. Beat that work ethic out of you Liki.

I know where Dave Q lives, and I think he seriously over-estimates the number of people living by their wits (ie crime).

Pete, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Liki? Hmm. I do intend to get rid of this work ethic, but it's hard. Despite frequently being bought drinks, I do object to the idea of getting something for nothing. Work is necessary. Also, Sainsbury's are bastards who seem to want me to work every hour under the sun. I am starting to say no. Have to remember to study too. I just can't get my head round being a student. It's all quite novel. Also, I have no intention of living in poverty. I deserve my trips to Fortnum and Mason.

alix, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dave Q - this is embarrassing to say but I would kind of feel stingy if I didn't - so - I dreamt this morning that you wrote a sort of essayistic short story, I think it was entitled something like 'Thoughts of a Youth on War' - the title was the worst part (it was supposed to be ironic) - but the essay was brilliant. You began with some kind of cultural criticism but then the essay 'descended' into a personal narrative about your romantic relationship with an older female academic (all in your style, ie abject kind of reflections from the level of her pubic hair etc) - the point at which it became this narrative was after a reference to 'King Menelaus' from Shakespeare who apparently said something about strip clubs, then society ... then it became a kind of oscillation between bitterness and comments on your dissatisfaction, oh wait that's not an oscillation ... I suppose the oscillation was between generalisations and specific commentary on your personal life. Perhaps this dream is just related to me, because I was thinking about that kind of writing style (essay that devolves into 'short story') the night before, and my subconscious provided an example for me ... actually it was a peculiar dream in that it was long but consisted only of reading this piece from start to finish, there wasn't any context ... but the point is, obviously this is a premonition that you ought to be a writer, and it ought to be proof of your brilliance to you that just your writing style can pervade my dreams and be the entire substance of a dream in itself, without any other content.

maryann, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

There's something vulgar about being 'a writer', sorry to be so crude.

maryann, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Now I go and read some of the things you wrote on other threads and I'm thinking 'I'm asking for more of this?' Well, I told it like it was, I guess ...

maryann, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hi Dave Q, What is it that you do for work, (if you don't mind me asking.) Perhaps you could start a little business on your own being your own boss and at your own pace. It is NOT easy to have to punch a clock for a company for instance. I have worked in 3 factories, so I know. anyway Dave, you take care and try not to let this get you down ok? Gale

Gale Deslongchamps, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

yeah you could be working in a factory. making ice cream labels. i couldn't eat vanilla ice cream for 2 months after that.

maryann, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

oh and also in another dream, I dreamt that you wrote a masterpiece that proved that the Eagles were racist. Ok that's not really true, but what if it was?

maryann, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I resent the idea of going through twelve years of school and four or more years of college in great preparation for what? WORK. I think it's deadly unfair that people spend most of their lives working and I plan to avoid it if possible.

Maria, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

How do you plan on paying the rent and eating then?

Samantha, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

C'mon, Samantha -- just because she doesn't have much choice doesn't mean it's fair. :)

Nitsuh, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Thoreau built his own house and didn't pay rent. He grew his own food and ate with his loving friends and family and earned money doing odd jobs. If he could do it so can I.

Maria, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I thought he got the damn house from a friend and kept wandering back into town whenever he got cold.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

no, he built the house mostly on his own from timber he cut. but he was staying on a friend's land, although the nearest house was over a mile away. he wandered into town a lot, and people came to visit him too (some ladies' abolition society or something had a picnic on his lawn), but he still lived by himself most of the time. it sounds like the absolutely perfect arrangement to me, except the lack of dietary variety would be deadly dull. Oooh! string beans again! look what exciting things i grow!

Maria, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

And the house cost him $28.12 1/2.

Maria, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Which these days would be about $100,000,000. Well, maybe not. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dave, I thought you were all about screwing the man tho.. You hate work. You don't respect work. Blah blah.. anyway, was that all crap or if not then isn't there a difference between resentment and envy? Why aren't you egging on these slacking slack slackers? Don't hate them 'cause they're beautiful. Or lazy, whatever. You need to concentrate on *you* and the best things that can happen for you in your context. Don't compare because it's just not relevant. Always remember the old cliche that NOTHING IS FAIR because it's true. All cliches are true. Decide it doesn't matter, and one day it won't.

Kim, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes. Leonard Cohen comes by and uses my ugly appialnces but he wont coem over anymore unless i get new kitchenaid empire red appliances.





really david cohen is my fuckpuppet and he keeps me in food. I did work 25 hours a week part time but the job didnt wait for me .

anthony, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Eagles? Hmmm...well, "Hotel California" is sung in a fake Mexican accent, and there's also a reggae lilt to the rhythm. Since the song is about Paradise lost, utopia decaying etc., I DO hope those musical devices aren't supposed to signify demographic shifts.

dave q, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But then, California DID belong to Mexico originally, so maybe Don Henley was down with La Raza? I've got solve this mystery now.

dave q, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think people who don't work full-time are missing out big style. You should feel sorry for them, Dave.

The lyrics to "Found a Job" reflect my sentiments completely - about a constantly arguing couple who find that their new employment brings them closer together by giving them a common sense of direction and purpose. And like Mr.Byrne says at the end "If your job isn't what you love, then something isn't right".

Trevor, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't feel resentful toward people who don't have to work in an office - it gives me hope. I have friends who have invested years of education in a 'career' and they're completely disillusioned. So I'm glad someone didn't have to go through that. I don't know any 'trustafarians' - I think that sort of thing is frowned upon in the US.

'Who Wants to Be a Millionaire' might get cancelled here, and with it my hopes.

Kerry, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think that sort of thing is frowned upon in the US.

Pah! The US practically invented trust funds.

Nick, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I have great respect with those who run their own businesses. They takes dedication. Some good friends of ours make retro repro lampshades. They work their asses off and are succesful. Someday soon Hank is going to quit his day job so he can work for himself full- time making furniture and framing. It's scary but exciting.

I know one trust-fund baby. She's in grad school, volunteers a lot and is training to be a yoga instructor. Definitely no laziness or decadence there.

Samantha, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah, but the 'trustafarians' are expected to work, is what I meant. I would prefer that they stay home and leave some of the good jobs for us.

Kerry, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

eleven years pass...

I am a lurker so I'm posting this at my own risk. I have a job that I've grown to hate in a town I've realized I can't stand. The job and the move were entirely my decisions, so I know I don't have much business being resentful of the situation as I am. (Job requires extremely long and difficult hours with little hope of upward mobility, but even these things I knew beforehand.) I know the only thing that makes sense is to find a new job, but that's obviously easier said, and doesn't change the fact that almost every hour of the day I'm faced with streets, individuals, and work assignments that inspire feelings of uncontrollable disgust. (The individuals partly because they seem to be coping better than I am - immature and shameful of me, I know, but so is resenting something you've brought upon yourself.) For various reasons, I can't think about quitting for a while, and even then there are big risks involved in doing so. Which makes it easier to just sit here and seethe. And post in internet forums. Help? Any chance someone can tell me how to become one of those people who gets up and does something smart and pragmatic like try to make the best of things?

eaumaille, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 18:53 (thirteen years ago)

Your basic problem is known in philosophy as Buridan's Ass. Your are caught between two equally forceful aversions: to losing your present source of income and keeping your present source of income. That is why it feels intolerable. In Buridan's formulation of the problem, the ass fails to solve his dilemma and dies, but you are smart and capable and will not die of this problem. Because you know that you have more than two choices, right?

What most likely is freezing up your will to act is that any third choice other than staying or quitting involves far more complications, plans, decisions, and far more risk and uncertainty than your two dead simple choices: go to work today or quit today. Unless you want to wind up dead as Buridan's Ass, you're just going to have to deal with that.

Good luck.

Aimless, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 19:26 (thirteen years ago)

Yeah. And the theoretical third option, even if it didn't involve a lot of planning or immediate risks, might wind up being just as terrible as the first (which, I suppose, is always a risk of the third option anyway), and then I'd find myself back in the same position. You'd think I'd at least have some optimism about eventually finding a preferable alternative, but I don't have that, partly because of a sneaking suspicion that I have not mentioned: that I (with my incurable negativity and resentment) am the corrupting factor in all of this, and would make any alternative insufferable in the end. I guess "you're just going to have to deal with that" pretty much sums it up.

eaumaille, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 19:46 (thirteen years ago)

Some alternatives you might consider (all of them carrying some risk):

Think hard about whether the expectations of your employer are in line with reason and industry standards. If they are not, discuss modifications with your superior in order to alleviate some of your resentment.

Look for other work even as you keep your present job.

Evaluate whether your feelings of resentment have a source apart from your job, and if so, work to alleviate those feelings apart from changing your job. The feelings to evaluate should include your level of comfort with risk, and whatever specific aspect of your job you most hate and why. Don't stop until you recall pivotal experiences that your feelings are founded on.

Etc.

Aimless, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 19:58 (thirteen years ago)

It's complicated, but the nature of the field is such that my employers don't really need to conform to (externally-imposed) standards - they create them. I and others have tried to discuss modifications with them, which met with a lot of pleasant nodding, but no changes have been made and I don't expect them to be. (Partly because a lot of the desired changes revolve around very fundamental things like workload, work distribution, and chances for mobility, as opposed to, say, social environment.) As I've implied, I know for a fact that other employees are experiencing acute anxiety, but they seem ultimately to want the job more than I do.

Do plan on looking for other things, but it will be very hard with the lack of time. I am also not qualified to do much but don't feel like I could justify leaving the job for just anything.

Yes, I need to think in a more productive way about all of these things. For starters, there is the extreme stress, which does not seem proportional to the eventual gains. (I'm not normally a person who thinks much about the eventual payoff of things, but these rates of anxiety have lately forced me to.) As stressful and unhealthy as the environment can be, the day-to-day work involves skills I possess and challenges I excel in that would be hard to make use of/encounter elsewhere. My proficiency in them is part of the reason that the job, while I dislike it, is tied up with my sense of self-worth. I imagine myself quitting and, 20 years down the road, having nothing to "show for myself." What leads me to believe I might be a resentful person apart from all of these things is that I find myself irrationally hating people for not being as negative as I am about the whole thing. It's less that I view them as being more functional for sticking with it, and more that I feel ashamed for being the negative one.(That and I tend to assume bad things about people, which, as you've suggested, is at least partially related to experience.)

Off to take a walk and think about all of this more. Thanks.

eaumaille, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 20:52 (thirteen years ago)

I had a job like that (or at least i half recognise some of what you describe) for four days once. Ppl were bewildered when i quit, like 'this is how jobs work that was an amazing opportunity wtf' but i would probly have been committed at lunchtime on day 5 tbh.

mister borges (darraghmac), Tuesday, 26 March 2013 20:59 (thirteen years ago)

yes, i have no perspective on jobs or how much i am supposed to be willing to suffer for a "good" one. or what a "good" one even is. i want to appeal to some higher authority on these questions, but i know there is none.

eaumaille, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 23:00 (thirteen years ago)

yeah, observing loads of other people get by just fine is.......no fuckin help at all!

mister borges (darraghmac), Tuesday, 26 March 2013 23:05 (thirteen years ago)

two years pass...

this thread needn't have focused so narrowly on work imo

thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 22:40 (eleven years ago)


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