We (the US) Have Been Taken Over By a Cult

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Says Sy Hersh

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't really comment on this. OTM. I'd like to buy property in Italy, I think.

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 23:06 (twenty-one years ago)

how many new yorker readers already own property in italy?

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 23:06 (twenty-one years ago)

"See Arnold Run"???????

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Based on my experience, I'd say exactly none

"may you live in interesting times"

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 23:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd like to buy property in Italy, I think.

The land of Berlusconi...

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 23:09 (twenty-one years ago)

okay, yeah tombot you got me, how about "prototypical" new yorker readers?

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 23:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Everything I read these days makes my skin crawl.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 23:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd say the rule of thumb these days is to have no debt of any sort, stock up some savings not tied to anything even vaguely to do with the stock market and just...wait. But cautiously.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 23:24 (twenty-one years ago)

well i'm fucked then

...moreso.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 23:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I was going to say! maybe we can get an ilXor contingent together and all agree to move to some commune and take care of each other when the collapse comes! surely someone on here must own a farm.

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 23:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned, I'd think you would be happy. You love The Cult! Oh, wait...

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 23:30 (twenty-one years ago)

haha italy--it's so hard to buy there unless you're willing to pay someone to figure/grease your way through the system. lather rinse repeat for all the basic utilities too.

― teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 23:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned, I'd think you would be happy. You love The Cult! Oh, wait...

Roxor!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe we can get an ilXor contingent together and all agree to move to some commune and take care of each other when the collapse comes!

ILX: The Villa

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 23:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I was going to say! maybe we can get an ilXor contingent together and all agree to move to some commune and take care of each other when the collapse comes! surely someone on here must own a farm.

ha ha ha, you'd all starve to death within months. Imagine trying to reach some sort of concensus about what crop to plant. 60% of you would have their own opinon and the other 40% would feel obliged to poke fun at said opinions. You'd need a leader.....who could that be?

― Paul Kelly (kelly), Thursday, 27 January 2005 02:41 (twenty-one years ago)

"Let's all forget this word "insurgency". It's one of the most misleading words of all."

otm. when i first heard that word my bullshit detector went off the scale.

― eman (eman), Thursday, 27 January 2005 02:49 (twenty-one years ago)

You know, if you have not sold your stocks and bought property in Italy, you better do it quick.

Why Sy Hersh isn't my financial advisor.

― don weiner, Thursday, 27 January 2005 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, and he has so little material to work with

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

haha italy--it's so hard to buy there unless you're willing to pay someone to figure/grease your way through the system. lather rinse repeat for all the basic utilities too.

-- teeny (teen...), January 26th, 2005 3:31 PM. (teeny)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0328589/

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, and he has so little material to work with

What, does it hurt you to know that Hersh gets it wrong sometimes?

Sy Hersh may be in bed with lots of people in Washinton, but his expertise on matters of the economy are nil. His hysterical cries to dump the dollar--either your own or as an admonition to world markets, I really can't tell what he's crying about--are simply silly.

― don weiner, Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

italy is not hard to buy in.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

haha italy--it's so hard to buy there unless you're willing to pay someone to figure/grease your way through the system. lather rinse repeat for all the basic utilities too.

Only if you are as braindead as frances mayes. She is one of the worst of the torrent of haha aren't foreigners funny as I live amongst them not understanding them books unleashed by Peter Mayle.

It is not at all difficult to buy in Italy, what is difficult is not paying all of the taxes an italian would be able to avoid. but basically you should just suck it up and pay them. And learn the language properly and people won't see you as an excuse to jack up their proces 30%, which seems like a reasonable fee for dealing with the truly moronic.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 27 January 2005 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

his expertise on matters of the economy are nil. His hysterical cries to dump the dollar--either your own or as an admonition to world markets, I really can't tell what he's crying about--are simply silly.

this is quite OTM. His painting of the wrong-headedness of the war is grim and accurate, as near as I can tell, but the prediction of CERTAIN ECONOMIC DOOM is just so awfully wrong. The dollar may weaken, but it's not going to die. And Europe can be angry at us and still trade with us quite happily. They already do. There's no real correlation between how much the citizens of the world hate us and how much the governments of the world are willing to trade with us.

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Thursday, 27 January 2005 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

on a somewhat similar note, ex-EPA head/NJ gov Christie Todd Whitman is on NPR's Fresh Air today, pushing her book about how even the Repub party has been hijacked

― kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 27 January 2005 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)

(alright, I didn't think the experiences of the classic department profs I knew trying to buy a pied a terre would be all that misrepresentative, I suppose maybe they're a dramatic bunch.)

― teeny (teeny), Thursday, 27 January 2005 22:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Apologies, I get really incensed by people who make a melodrama out of something very simple but time consuming. Frances Mayes gets my goat in a big way, her book (or maybe even books, is toe curlingly awful in it's patronising tone almost to the point of racism.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd say the rule of thumb these days is to have no debt of any sort, stock up some savings not tied to anything even vaguely to do with the stock market and just...wait. But cautiously.

Akternately, buy a gun, so you can off yourself if things get really intolerable.

― RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 28 January 2005 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Those of you who are saying Hersch is wrong about the economy are probably right though. I don't think I remotely understand economics, but I've read enough second opinions that suggest that other countries can't really let the U.S. go down, since they would be pulled down with us.

― RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 28 January 2005 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

His central point about the country being more or less hijacked by a small group of people is obviously right. But as his own articles attest, they're also a spectacularly incompetent cult. They're a buncha boobs. Which doesn't mean they haven't done a lot of damage and won't do more, but I think the worst-case scenarios are overblown, because besides being dead wrong in almost everything they think about how the world works, they're also stupendously good at tripping over their shoelaces. Granted, that's small consolation to everyone who has to live (or die) with the results.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 28 January 2005 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

so bizarre. where was Rev. Moon?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 29 January 2005 03:01 (twenty-one years ago)

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