Can You Ever Actually Forget How To Ride A Bike?

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I'm really worried. Because I've agreed to go on a "Hawksmoor Spooky Church Bike Ride" this weekend. (I mean, how could I resist the Spooky Churches?)

The problem is, I haven't ridden a bike on a regular basis in about 20 years. Even as a child, I was never particularly good at bike-riding - my trainer wheels didn't come off until I was 9 or so. The last time I tried (in Holland, which probably wasn't such a great idea, as there is mad bike traffic there) I was utterly panicstruck and useless and nearly fell off several times (possibly due to the horrible bells ringing at me the whole time).

Does anyone have any advice about getting back into the swing of biking? And any tips for biking in London?

(I will be in a large group, and it will be at the weekend, so I'm hoping traffic won't be so bad.)

The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Thursday, 27 January 2005 11:09 (twenty-one years ago)

(Plus... well... SPOOKY HAWKSMOOR CHURCHES!!! I may have to reread the Ackroyd novel on the way there. Except, erm, you can't read on a bike like you can on a bus, can you?)

The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Thursday, 27 January 2005 11:10 (twenty-one years ago)

You might forget initially, but I think it's one of those things that will come back to you pretty quick.

papa november (papa november), Thursday, 27 January 2005 11:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Perhaps I should ride a bit around the neighbourhood for a bit before I get on the road.

But I'm picking the bike up in bloody Dalston and am afeared I will be knocked off my bike and mugged if I try... sigh.

The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Thursday, 27 January 2005 11:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, exciting. I reckon that although you probably don't forget the actual physical knack of balancing, the road awareness etc is another matter. I am a crap cyclist despite enforced school trips riding round the Isle of Wight, so I have no good tips really.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 27 January 2005 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)

you probably don't forget the actual physical knack of balancing

This was *exactly* what I forgot the last time I tried to get on a bike.

I have a balance problem which I have suffered my whole life.

The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Thursday, 27 January 2005 11:16 (twenty-one years ago)

As long as it's an upright bike, you'll pick it up quickly.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 January 2005 11:17 (twenty-one years ago)

It does sound fun.

I got on a bike a couple of weeks for the first time in god knows how many years. After a minute or so's chaotic lurching it was okay.

Matt (Matt), Thursday, 27 January 2005 11:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Kate I am one of the most un-balanced un-coordinated people in the world but i'm pretty good on a bike, you'll be fine.

as Archel said though, the road awareness factor is u&k here. Low-cut grids in particular are the bane of my cycling life.

Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 27 January 2005 11:22 (twenty-one years ago)

and if you don't have mudguards on the back, watch them dirty puddles!

Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 27 January 2005 11:22 (twenty-one years ago)

God, I'm rubbish at road awareness, too. I'm forever just crossing streets obliviously as a pedestrian - usually cause I'm too busy taling to someone else or noticing buildings or something. (Especially if there are Hawksmoor Spooky Churches to be looked at.)

What is London like for cyclists? Argh. I just have to make sure I borrow a helmet as well as a bike.

Ah well, it could be good for the confidence thing if I *can* remember how to ride a bike, which I'm convinced is something else I'll be rubbish at. It might be fun!

The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Thursday, 27 January 2005 11:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Bbbbut Hawksmoor churches dahn the old east end luvaduck are better seen from the OOH! AH! DLR! e.g. around Limehouse. Have fun biking anyway, and I'm sure it'll come back to you. Make sure you stay in the middle of the group if you do get nervous, although falling off and taking people down domino-stylee would probably not be welcome under these circumstances.

Liz :x (Liz :x), Thursday, 27 January 2005 11:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't go too slow cos balance gets easier the more speed you have. Maybe stay near the front of the group so you have less chance of crashing into people doing unpredictable stuff in front of you and you'll have a better sight of obstructions/potholes etc.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 27 January 2005 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't have yer seat raised too high, like for some reason *everybody* does, that when you stop - your feet struggle to find ground.

Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 27 January 2005 11:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Yuo might not have forgotten how to ride a bike, but your arse will have!

Wear several pairs of pants if yuo have them ;-)

mei (mei), Thursday, 27 January 2005 12:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh god, I didn't think about the dress. Perhaps I should wear longjohns under my trousers. And trouser clips! Where can I obtain these?

The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Thursday, 27 January 2005 12:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Mei OTM about the effects on a tender, virgin arse of a bike saddle.

I forgot how to ride a bike after a nasty accident. The next time I got on the bike, a year later, I couldn't keep the front wheel steady - it started wobbling so much I had to get off and wheel the bike home.

(however, the next time I rode, 6 months after that, it was fine. I love riding my bike)

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 27 January 2005 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Tour de France riders used to stick a steak down their trousers to stop their arses getting a battering. Not sure what the veggie equivalent would be if you're that way inclined. A cheese & onion pastie perhaps?

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 27 January 2005 12:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I would definitely have a bit of a practise. I got on a bike last year after not having riden for years & i had real trouble keeping the bike steady.

PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 27 January 2005 12:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not really going to have time for practice! Unless I can borrow my housemate's bike and have a toddle about the neighbourhood tomorrow... that's an idea! South London is very quiet.

The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Thursday, 27 January 2005 12:29 (twenty-one years ago)

A few years ago, now, I got on a bike for the first time in five or six years. I was fine, and cycled away with no problems. Until, that is, I reached the end of the road, and discovered that I'd forgotten how to go round corners.

(bought a copy of Hawksmoor at a local church booksale about six months ago. Still haven't read it)

caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 27 January 2005 12:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Hawksmoor is fantastic! OK, I know a lot of people who have had problems getting their heads around the archaic writing style, but for some reason, I don't see that being a problem for you, Caitlin!

The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Thursday, 27 January 2005 12:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, you'd be surprised. I do often have trouble with archaically written books; but I've never had any problems with reading any other Ackroyd stuff.

(and, equally, lots of other books that other people have told me they consider unreadable, like Lanark)

caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 27 January 2005 12:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Argh, I just lost that post...

Anyway, what I was going to say was that it's more the Random Capitalisation and archaic spelling that has been a sticking point for people. You just have to get your head around the mindset of a 17th Century architect/alchemist. And I find it helps if you reade itte owt lowde.

The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Thursday, 27 January 2005 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, archaic spelling is no problem. After all, I've managed to read Scots novels like Morvern Callar, so 17th Century English shouldn't be tricky.

caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 27 January 2005 12:52 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a pretty decent book - unlike Chatterton, which is bollocks.

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 27 January 2005 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I actually love archaic spelling, it mayketh me feele not so bad abowt mine owne spellyng (or laque thareoff). Hrmm, I wonder if I can get away with using the same excuse for my terrible bike riding skills. "Oh, it's archaic 17th Century bike riding!"

(I think this would only work if I turned up on a penny farthing or something.)

((Yes, I know Penny Farthings weren't actually invented in the 17th Century, but it's a joawke!)

The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Thursday, 27 January 2005 12:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Even better, I have found out that it is the Lambeth Cyclists sponsoring the ride... THE GRAIN OF SAND IN LAMBETH THAT CYCLISTS CANNOT FIND!!! HURRAH!!!!

The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Thursday, 27 January 2005 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

enjoye thee ryde upon ye hobbye horsse.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 January 2005 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)

The only way it could possibly be any better would be if we could do it on REAL horses!!!

The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Thursday, 27 January 2005 13:14 (twenty-one years ago)

haha kate you'll be fine, i swear! last june was the first time i got on a bike for about 6 or 7 years and it was immediately, immediately the best thing evah. now i'm never off the bloody thing. (hm, i think the chain needs looking at though, must take to lovely boys in lovely bike shop tomorrow.) having a ride around near home at first is def a good idea - i'm not worried at all about the actual ride, but those fucking dark satanic bendy buses are a nightmare to pass/be passed by so the trek down to westminster could be a bit intimidating, though not actually unsafe as it'll be early sat morning so no mental traffic. i'll try and figure out a nice quiet route. do you want to cross the river twice or not at all? there is another bike helmet that isn't mine in the house so you can have that, and i do have some of those trouser bindy things kicking around somewhere, i'll hunt them down tomorrow...

emsk, Thursday, 27 January 2005 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

and what is a low-cut grid please? is it like cobblestones?

emsk, Thursday, 27 January 2005 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Aaaah, you make me feel a lot better, Ems! Crossing the river would be lovely, actually, I think going over a bridge on a bike would be like flying!

Oh god, I already hate dark satanic bendybusses, is my hatred only going to get worse?

The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Thursday, 27 January 2005 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

low-cut grid:
I really couldn't find better words to use at the time, I just meant a sewer grid plate which has is sunk real low in the tarmac, ie ends up being a pothole.

Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 27 January 2005 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

'has been sunk' duh

Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 27 January 2005 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

oh i understand, thanks ste.

kate, then we can go over both southwark bridge and lambeth bridge on the way there if you want! yr absolutely right about flying, it's one of the things that's best about it, i fly in my sleep all the time and being underwater is kind of like that but slower and i am horrible and graceless and uncomfortable on normal dry land, but if i have wheels it's a different thing... have actually got carried away a couple of times and almost thought my jacket was a safety harness and forgot to hold on or pedal. only almost though.

the bendybuses - it's just that they go on for sodding miles anyway, and if you've been passing one between it and the kerb while it was stuck in traffic and you're nearly ahead of it and just then the traffic comes unstuck and the bus starts moving again and it's going marginally faster than you but not fast enough to zoom ahead of you (bendy bus? zoom? pah...) and then it's almost all ahead of you but then the traffic all jams up again, it - well - i've never done ketamin but i think it might be a bit like that. but we'll stay away from them.

emsk, Thursday, 27 January 2005 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, yes, yes... (sorry, I'm still sniggering over Kate dumping Pete by text message) ...all this sounds good!

(Except the bendybusses, natch.)

The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Thursday, 27 January 2005 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow. What an experience.

Riding a bike is a bit like riding a retarded pony. It's not like a horse, where you just have to point it in the right direction and it will go, more or less of its own accord. A bicycle, you point it in the right direction and it will just run into a car like a pony with no instinct of self-preservation. Stupid bicycle!

Other than that, wow. I'm in bad shape. The muscle memory and the balance came back, but it's hard getting used to the fact that everything - including the curb - is on the opposite side! I didn't even think abou that!

And hills... ::pants:: ...I thought I was in good shape because I can dance for hours and walk for miles without a problem, by my god, hills kick my ass.

I was wrecked and unable to move for most of the afternoon, and my thighs and arse were so bruised I thought I'd just experienced several hours of energetic sex. Ouch.

But I want to do it again! I need me a bicycle!

The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Monday, 31 January 2005 12:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Really glad you enjoyed yourself! Get-a-bike get-a-bike get-a-bike!

NickB (NickB), Monday, 31 January 2005 13:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I want a bike. I need a bike. Damn, they're expensive, though. But hey, if I actually take this mega-super-consultant Systems Analyst role, I could afford to buy a different bike for every day of the week.

The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Monday, 31 January 2005 13:04 (twenty-one years ago)

drop me an email if do decide to buy something (/spam)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 31 January 2005 13:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I wonder how hard it would be to ride a bike from Streatham to Epsom four days a week, though. And yes, I will need your advice, Pash, when I take the leap!

The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Monday, 31 January 2005 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread gives me hope...I'm worried I've forgotten how to ride a bike. The last time I tried I think I was 11 and ran into the back of a (motionless) van in traffic. I'd like to ride around Richmond Park and stuff, but getting there along the south circular and big intersection(s) freaks me out.

sgs (sgs), Monday, 31 January 2005 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, I do have to say that it helped that it was a Saturday, and there was virtually no traffic. That made it a lot easier. There was only one really hairy traffic moment coming home through Dalston where a car refused to give way and I got caught between a parked car and an improperly overtaking car and that was scary. I'm not making the jump to doing it as a commuter until I get a bit more comfortable with traffic and stuff! I did get some good reference material from the bike club, though, Sarah, which I can pass on - they offer super-cheap lessons and things about achieving bike confidence and being able to handle traffic.

The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Monday, 31 January 2005 13:11 (twenty-one years ago)

On the expense side of things, lots of larger employers do a transport loan thing to help with buying train tickets and stuff. I used that scheme to buy my first decent bike.

The last time I tried I think I was 11 and ran into the back of a (motionless) van in traffic.

Oof, I've done that too and my god it hurts! Happens surprisingly often, but you only ever do it once...

NickB (NickB), Monday, 31 January 2005 13:18 (twenty-one years ago)

It didn't hurt as much as the derisive laughter from the guys in the van and the people I was with at the time, sigh.

Yes please I'd love reference materials Kate!

sgs (sgs), Monday, 31 January 2005 13:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Sarah, if we can figure out a way to get two bikes into the back of the car then we can do the Richmond Park thing. Do you want me to get you a bike for your birthday?

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 31 January 2005 13:25 (twenty-one years ago)

It didn't hurt as much as the derisive laughter from the guys in the van and the people I was with at the time, sigh.

Yeah, I know 'tis true, pride dents a lot more easily than steel. I did it right by a crowded bus-stop. Some guy cut me up really badly and as I turned round and yelled at him to watch where he was fucking going, I went straight into the back of a queue of cars waiting at a red light. Oh the bitter irony!

NickB (NickB), Monday, 31 January 2005 13:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, I don't have any pride to start with, so it doesn't bother me. I know I look ridiculous and I don't care.

I didn't actually fall off my bike or ride into anything, but the most embarrassing moment was when the leader of the tour came over to greet us, as we showed up a bit late, and I immediately knocked my bike over.

If you're as physically uncoordinated as I am, you get used to all this stuff and it stops bothering you.

The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Monday, 31 January 2005 13:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh man, I'm really clumsy too, but after a while a bike just feels like an extra limb or something and then it's really not a problem. You stop thinking about it and you just go with it.

How was the Hawksmoor?

NickB (NickB), Monday, 31 January 2005 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, the only Hawksmoor buildings were ones that I'd seen before, as I dropped out at around Christ Church (due to physical exhaustion, and I'm glad cause I barely got home). But some of the commentary was pretty interesting. Though they were fairly normal architectural comments and not OHMIGOD, HAWKSMORE SCARY ALCHEMAICAL CRAZY STUFF OH MY!!! Ackroyd type stuff.

The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Monday, 31 January 2005 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, I hope you brought along the atmos-fear with spooky noises and ghoulish laughter from the back of the bunch to keep 'em on their toes. Boo!

NickB (NickB), Monday, 31 January 2005 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)


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