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I keep being tempted by these adverts which says "free $50 bonus when you join X Casino!". Not because I have a gambling problem, but because I am aware tha free money turns the odds violently in the punter's favour, if only to begin with. If one assumes that if I gambled $50 on one turn of the roulette wheel, the odds are (I think) that I'd win back $47. Ergo, if I bet $100 - $50 of my own and $50 bonus cash - then by rights, I should end up with $94, i.e. a return of 188%.

The odds look irresisitble. Should I do it, and assume that I won't get sucked into online gambling? I very much doubt I would be, ergo = free money. Thoughts please.

Mark C, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

hmm.....your theory is well confusing.... i had some sort of internet gambling addiction over the summer. i never won anything though...apart from free bonus games and shitloads of spam in my inbox....

hmm

julia xx

julia, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Your expected mean winnings may work on a fair real life roulette wheel, but I'm not sure I'd trust a closed-source java/flash roulette wheel to work as nicely. Or am I being too cynical? Maybe they really do expect people just to keep playing beyond those initial winnings. I suppose if there are enough other real punters on there at any one time then one of them has to win. Hmm, I dunno.

Never done any of your online casino type stuff, but have spent too many hours playing Tetris on Flipside in the hope of winning 50 quid or whatever. Actually I did get 6 quid off an online lottery thing, and I've won a couple of web competitions back when not many other people entered (nothing particularly interesting though), and there was a stock exchange simulation thing which gave you an account with some free money in if you filled in a big long questionnaire thing, so I did that and withdrew my $20 or whatever right away. Erm, I'm sounding addicted now, right? Oh dear. But I've never done anything where I have to spend real money to enter and I don't know about actual online casinos, all I know is that their popup ads piss me off.

Rebecca, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

While I wouldn't trust just any internet casions, the bigger ones (including, to the best of my knowledge, the one I was talking about) must be closely regulated - anything untoward and their whole business would be closed down. Also, if it was dodgy, wouldn't an obvious tactic be to let the punter win at first, get hooked, and then fleece him?

Throiugh some participation in online financial market research, I was asked if I'd volunteer as a tester for a new trading platform. To do so, I get to spend £1000 on stocks and funds, with no trading charges. And while I have to give the £1000 back, I am allowed to keep any profit I make... I'm currently long in Cable and Wireless - and tips from insider traders?

Mark C, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I love you Mark, BUT I AM CRAP AND CAN'T HELP. However, I'll research for you, totally!

Internet gambling is GRATE. I went to EasyEverything once and this online BETTING ON DOGS site were giving you a tenner if you signed up. It cost £2 to sign up, then they hand you a grubby tenner in yer mits. Eight quid!!! I promptly headed to The Cheese to spend it on BEER, you'll be glad to know.

Sarah, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Also what does being "long" mean? I guess you know about this. And telecoms are going great today! Heh! I dont' know what it all means! But I love it! Ace!!! Can I sign up for this thing as well?

Sarah, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"long" means I have bought the stock, and hope it will rise. If I were short CW., it would mean I had effectively sold stock I didn't own, in the hope that the price will fall, thus enabling me to buy it at a later date at a lower price. It's what happened to Marconi a few weeks ago - hedge funds would go massively short, hence pushing the price right down, enabling them to buy up to 95% cheaper than they sold.

Shoritng is tricker to organise, though - one of the best ways to do it is by spread betting, which I think we've talked about. If I were to go short at the moment, I would short Marks and Spencer - looking wobbly after its recent (unjustified, IMHO) rise.

Mark C, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think the trading test thing is already subscribed - I think I was apporached as I actively trade online already (not day trading, but medium - long term. Which is lucky, as I'm currently 30% down on when I started :-(

Mark C, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Sarah - the fact that you and I are the only ones who ever discuss Sh*res makes me wonder if we're some kind of sick fetishists. With the interest you have in it, you should get a bit more involved. Do you have a fantasy portfolio? They're easy to manage, and it can be dead satisfying watching Tesco or Abbey National (2 of my biggest success stories before I started using real money) go up by 70% before "selling" them. If you like, I can point you in the right direction?

Mark C, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oh please do Mark, that would be fabulous! Either post here on my DEAR GOD I AM SO BORED IN THE OFFICE thread. I don't know why I have such an interest. I like knowing what's going on and what effects it has on the markets, perhaps? I AM A LUNY, perhaps?

Sarah, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

And the only portfolio I have is on PopEx :)

Sarah, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Right. First of all go and sign up with ADVFN.com, who run the easiest portfolio to set up and have free REAL-TIME prices and trades info. The portfolio is called "monitor" on ADVFN, and to add stocks to your monitor just insert the EPIC code (the usually 3 letter code for each stock - e.g. MKS for Marks & Sparks, or CW. for Cable & Wireless). If you don't know the epic code, type in the name and click list EPICs.

That is the end of lesson 1 :-)

(p.s. if that link doesn't work, try here and follow the process this way)

Mark C, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Hmmm I just had some problems with that site, does it stream something? It slowed down massively and then hmmm. I managed to sign up but from then it went NYRK. I also got a message in the bar at the bottom about something failing to connect?

Should I read ft.com before I buy anything?

Sarah, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Hmm. There is indeed streaming. Give it another go, but if it's still a problem, try iii as they have a good and easy to use portfolio, and also good bulletin boards.

As for research, the first thing I'd do is work out which sectors/companies you're interested in or know a bit about, and then start looking for info on them. The boards are a useful tool to have, but you have to take everything said on them with a pinch of salt. Most sites also connect to news on companies - iii does free for FTSE 100 companies, which are probably the best ones to start with.

If you find a decent bulletin board, they should bring you, among the ramping (talking up of a share you own in the hope you'll persuade people to buy and therefore up the price) and chat, most of the events currently happening with regards to the companies you've chosen. Often, financial websites will have editorial sections, and will often focus on sectors and companies as potential investments, or to discuss macreconomic (i.e. unemployment figures, interest rates, recession etc.) climates.

It's also finding articles if you can about the psychology of investing. There are a whole load of traps beginners find themselves in - buying when the price has gone up only to see it fall; buying as the price is falling in the mistaken belief it can't go any lower; listening to the comments of people with their own selfish interests in what they're saying (basically, this is all brokers do - when they announce that "Debenhams is a STRONG BUY", odds are their clients own a large number of shares in Debenhams - or even that Debenhams are their own client. Brokers' forecasts do often push the price up, though - which is why they should be ignored, as you're very unlikely to get in before the rise takes place).

One thing that's interesting to do is get a list of the FTSE 1090 and stick a pin in half a dozen times and keep a portfolio of these random stocks. Then you'll be able to compare yourself to the norm and see how good your stock-picking skills really are :-)

That's lesson 2 out of the way, then.

Mark C, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

sorry, FTSE 100, natch.

Mark C, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Hmm, HBOS - a very strong company, with good future prospects, but possibly they're fairly valued by the market at the moment. Their chart also looks uncertain - they follow the FTSE quite closely, but have outperformed it over the last 4 or 5 months.

Banks are having a bit of a tough time at present - the collapse of Enron has lost many banks money, not least Barclays, whose share price has been heavily hit. As the recession clears, banks may well be a strong place to invest, but for the short term, I wonder.

Still, as you're not using real money yet, they're as good a place as any to start. I bet you any money your portfolio beats mine over a given period. When you've chosen your stocks let me know what they are, and we can have a RACE to profit and glory.

Mark C, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Right ho Mark, I've decided to do a control group like you suggested above but with the companies where I know people. So we've got British Airways, BAe Systems, CadburySchweppes, EMI group, HBOS, HSBC Holdings, Marks & Spencer, Sainsburys, Tesco and Vodafone. Oh dear BAe Systems falling chiz. Ah well, let's stock up.

Sarah, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

So is that your control group? Have you decided which stocks justify researching?

Mark C, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

In case you're interested, my holdings are EXL, DNX, NMS, NMSW, HTE, CW., and SIA. Feel free to mock...

Mark C, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

four years pass...
In which Mark C invents bonus-bagging!

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 03:55 (seventeen years ago) link

nine years pass...

I deposited £5.40 in my [one of the big bookies] betting account the other day to put on my usual crap assortment of 2 bob football accs. My credit showed up as £55.40 so I thought I must have accidentally typed an extra 5 and quickly withdrew the extra 50 back into my account. Then strangely when I checked my online banking statement a couple of days later there was only a record of 5.40 ever going out and this magic 50 must have been erroneously credited to me. It was a nice little gift horse, although completely unexpected.

calzino, Thursday, 3 March 2016 20:52 (eight years ago) link

three years pass...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EH-dII_X0AMg9Es?format=jpg&name=small
just want to talk to my drug dealer about responsible crack smoking

calzino, Monday, 28 October 2019 19:19 (four years ago) link

just glad that my phone doesn't give me instant access to crack 24/7 tbh

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Monday, 28 October 2019 19:34 (four years ago) link

i've gone through all sorts of different types of gambling addiction - most of them picked up when i used to work in the bookies. I'm well on top of it now (lol) but seriously just do low stakes football bets and irish lottery/daily millions bets these days. But dread to think the even worse messes I could have got into at the height of my addiction these days. And I say this as someone who once had two winning 1 to 2 grands+ bets (playing with my bosses money) that only left me a few hundred quid down!

calzino, Monday, 28 October 2019 19:42 (four years ago) link


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