Revolving Doors

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what's the point?

teeny (teeny), Friday, 11 March 2005 23:20 (twenty-one years ago)

it's a metaphor

Darius Rucker Lookalike (deangulberry), Friday, 11 March 2005 23:24 (twenty-one years ago)

it keeps the heat/ac from leaking out onto the mean streets.

S!monB!rch (Carey), Friday, 11 March 2005 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

wait, are you asking about life?

S!monB!rch (Carey), Friday, 11 March 2005 23:40 (twenty-one years ago)

No pulling is involved.

Men are relieved from having to hold the door open for da' ladies.

No need to tip the doorman.

No cold air enters the lobby.

In crowded cities, it offers citizens 1.62 seconds of personal space.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 11 March 2005 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I find them a little frightening. One day I'm going to lose a digit or smash something valuable that's in my bag.

sunburned and snowblind (kenan), Friday, 11 March 2005 23:44 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe my revolving door is faulty, it lets plenty of air in/out, just not a huge gust. I can buy the pulling thing though.

teeny (teeny), Friday, 11 March 2005 23:44 (twenty-one years ago)

They keep people from entering and exiting from the same door at the same time, thus avoiding collisions and awkward "no, after you" moments that waste time ($$$).

nickn (nickn), Friday, 11 March 2005 23:48 (twenty-one years ago)

i sometimes go through 5-6 revolving doors a day. people look at you mean if you use the actual door on a cold, windy day. i wish i had one instead of my front door.

S!monB!rch (Carey), Friday, 11 March 2005 23:51 (twenty-one years ago)

places sometimes put signs up telling you to use the revolving doors so that the lobby stays warm.

S!monB!rch (Carey), Friday, 11 March 2005 23:52 (twenty-one years ago)

They are to keep out the nuns with spears through their backs, as any fool knows.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 11 March 2005 23:52 (twenty-one years ago)

They keep people from entering and exiting from the same door at the same time, thus avoiding collisions and awkward "no, after you" moments that waste time ($$$).

Today I got stuck behind a woman who wanted to go clockwise when it only goes counterclockwise. She was a little embarrassed.

teeny (teeny), Friday, 11 March 2005 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah the main reason why an owner of a building would put one in is to lower heating/cooling costs. that an the fact that they're neato.

()ops (()()ps), Saturday, 12 March 2005 00:49 (twenty-one years ago)

plus they make good use as a metaphor

()ops (()()ps), Saturday, 12 March 2005 00:50 (twenty-one years ago)

the funniest thing is watching people who don't use them very often try to get more than one person in a slot. they end up doing that stepping on each other's toes, laughing a lot dance.

The JaXoN 5 (JasonD), Saturday, 12 March 2005 00:51 (twenty-one years ago)

stack pressure

RJG (RJG), Saturday, 12 March 2005 00:52 (twenty-one years ago)

this says it, too.

RJG (RJG), Saturday, 12 March 2005 00:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Lampshades

what's the point?

S!monB!rch (Carey), Saturday, 12 March 2005 00:58 (twenty-one years ago)

wtf else are you supposed to put on your head to show you're blotto?

()ops (()()ps), Saturday, 12 March 2005 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Chairs

what's the point?

S!monB!rch (Carey), Saturday, 12 March 2005 01:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, my. This looks like an early eighties pinball machine or something.

http://www.thecityreview.com/fif666e.gif

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Saturday, 12 March 2005 01:05 (twenty-one years ago)

This would be one of those revolving doors where you go in dressed in rags and come out clad in tuxedo and tophat.

http://www.thermosash.co.nz/agencies/images/crane-1.jpg

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Saturday, 12 March 2005 01:05 (twenty-one years ago)

those are gorgeous

Darius Rucker Lookalike (deangulberry), Saturday, 12 March 2005 01:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I just realized that if you put one of these in a bank,

http://www.airport-technology.com/contractor_images/tomsed/tomsed_4.jpg

you could lock the door as a robber was escaping, trapping him in his own transparent prison.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Saturday, 12 March 2005 01:07 (twenty-one years ago)

And though I'd just as soon these types disappear, I gotta admit that there's a point to having them.

http://www.transalt.org/blueprint/images/bloop83.jpg

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Saturday, 12 March 2005 01:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Circular Logic Sure, They're Fun, but Revolving Doors Also Have a Higher Purpose
7-27-02 | MARCOS MOCINE-McQUEEN

New Yorkers move fast. They like their subways flying, their taxis racing and their doors spinning.

It makes sense, then, that New York is considered the revolving door capital of the world.

"New York, especially Manhattan, is definitely the biggest revolving door market," said Scott Wedgbury, executive director of the International Revolving Door Association. "Other cities like Singapore and Hong Kong are just now starting to pick up on them."

The revolving door's ubiquity in New York City comes, in part, from the city's insatiable appetite for skyscrapers.

The doors are a scientific effort to equalize air pressure. Revolvers, as they are known in the industry, prevent the city's skyscrapers from turning into high-rise wind tunnels. When cold weather sets in, for example, and a skyscraper's heaters are turned on, hot air rises to the top of the building, leaving a vacuum on the lower floors. If a regular swinging door, or swinger, is opened, cold air is sucked in to fill that void, creating winds that muss hairstyles and blow papers around lobbies.

During the summer, cold air-conditioned air sinks to the bottom of the building and rushes out when swinging doors open.

Because some segment of a revolving door is always closed, it prevents air from being sucked into or pushed out of the building and keeps energy costs down.

"We always like to say, 'Revolvers are always open, always closed,' " said Donald Haerer of Horton Automatics, one of the country's largest revolving door manufacturers. "If it's real cold, the suction can be so strong that a small person can't even push open a swinger."

The prominence of the revolving door is not simply a matter of speed and efficiency, it is also a matter of style. New York's doors are among the most ornate.

"Architects carefully choreograph a building's entrance," said Andrew S. Dolkart, an architectural historian at the Columbia University Graduate School of Architecture, Planning and Preservation. "Every element is designed to create a sense of vastness."

Mr. Dolkart points to the Chrysler Building. When people first walk up to the building they are greeted by a three-story arch that seems to promise a towering lobby inside. Then they walk through a set of shiny silver-and-glass revolving doors to find a much shorter lobby than they expected.

"When you walk from the small space in the revolving door and step into the lobby the space just seems to explode," Mr. Dolkart said. "The lobby feels so big compared to the small space in the door that you don't even notice that the lobby isn't as big as you thought it would be. That small space in the door is critical to creating the illusion."

And first impressions are important for buildings, too. "Your lobby is a statement," said Alan Risi, president of Georal International, a company that sells and installs doors. "If you're trying to rent your space to a lawyer for more than a million bucks, you want them to see nice, attractive brass revolving doors when they walk into the lobby."

Though the doors are popular in New York, they did not originate here. The design of the modern revolving door differs little from the original one patented by Theophilus Van Kannel in Philadelphia in 1888. In his patent he promised his new door was "perfectly noiseless in its operation and effectually prevents the entrance of wind, snow, rain or dust."

"Further than this, as the door moves in but one direction, there is no possibility of collision."

Vintage revolvers are easily found in New York. The doors of the Manhattan State Supreme Court building recall a time when the materials of choice were wood and brass, not brushed stainless steel. The doors date back 80 years by the estimation of Robert Balay, who repairs doors for Georal International and does most of his work in New York City.

Older doors can be hard to take apart, Mr. Balay explained, because each manufacturer had unique structural elements, there are no instruction manuals left and many of the companies have gone out of business, making it tough to find parts.

Mr. Balay also has to make sure the doors meet the city's strict codes on speed limits: they must be unable to go faster than 15 rotations a minute (although department officials admit that building inspectors are not spending much time clocking door speeds).

Mr. Dolkart, the architectural historian, said that the revolving door was a perfect fit for the city because it allows people to enter and exit a building at the same time. "Architecture usually reflects the social climate of a place," Mr. Dolkart said. "New York is a city where people are always coming and going."

Though revolvers have seen the occasional dark moment (in "The Godfather," a mobster is trapped and murdered in a revolving door) they are a source of fun for some tourists. At the N.B.A. store on Fifth Avenue, Gilly Ashdown, 11, took the revolving door through its paces with other children from her hometown, San Francisco: her sister, Madi Ashdown, 13; Alex Cox, 11; and Alex's sister, Francesca Cox, 9. They pushed the doors round and round, sometimes squeezing two or more people into one space. They gave the door's artistic elements a good review: the bars are life-size bronze castings of a basketball player's outstretched arm clutching a basketball.

"Sometimes the guards get mad at you if you ride them around and around but it's fun anyway," Gilly said. "These doors are just better than regular swinging ones. We don't have as many in San Francisco."

Gilly may not care, but experts say that proper door spinning involves technique and practice. Philippe Fils-Aim, the doorman at the Museum Towers on 53rd Street, has spun its revolving door for 14 years.

"You have to be watching the people very carefully," Mr. Fils-Aim said, as he stood on the sidewalk ready to push the door for residents entering or exiting the building. "If you push it too fast, you hit their feet. If you push it too slow, they'll walk into the glass. You have to have a touch."

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 12 March 2005 01:36 (twenty-one years ago)

(New York Times)

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 12 March 2005 01:37 (twenty-one years ago)

my day is happier k nowing there is an international revolving door org.

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 12 March 2005 02:32 (twenty-one years ago)

C or D: the big, slow-moving, motorised revolving doors that you get at the entrance to supermarkets?

caitlin (caitlin), Saturday, 12 March 2005 08:42 (twenty-one years ago)

"Your lobby is a statement?"

Rumpsy Pumpsy (Rumpie), Saturday, 12 March 2005 10:20 (twenty-one years ago)

The worst ever revolving door are the ones at Asda which move round themselves - slowly. About five people squeeze in at the same time and have to shuffle round miserably. The pain in the arse thing about it is that if you stop, touch the doors or try to push them, they stop dead and start beeping. God you could kill somebody in those doors, it can take ten fucking minutes to get into bloody Asda.

Rumpsy Pumpsy (Rumpie), Saturday, 12 March 2005 10:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate the motorized ones. Thanks for posting that article Tracer, you've just given me another source to use in my thesis! Three days ago I turned in a rough draft of a section all about revolving doors. In addition to their properties of keeping in/out heat or cold air/dust/pollen/whatever, they also work well on skyscrapers, to counter the force of the downdrafts that can hold regular doors either open or shut sometimes. But the dude who designed them just had the air/dust in mind--improved health of bank tellers and lobby staff and all that. The revolving door as we know it was patented in the US in 1888 by Swiss-American career inventor THeophilus Van Kannel, fact fans.

sgs (sgs), Saturday, 12 March 2005 12:38 (twenty-one years ago)

(Whoops, added some of that before reading all the article!)

sgs (sgs), Saturday, 12 March 2005 12:40 (twenty-one years ago)

How curious that that article, and this thread, would come in handy sarah! What's your thesis on?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 12 March 2005 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

The motorized ones drive me mad. The one in metro hall here is broken half the time too (probably from people pushing it).

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 12 March 2005 23:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Tracer the (kinda lame) working title is "problems of vision and legibility in 20th c. city spaces and prose form." in other words I'm writing about failure and spatial perception: trying to think about the similarities between how an individual perceives a space designed for public use, and how I see this as parallel to formation of a literary reading, and how the systems taken for granted in both may break (or be made to break) down. I'm not very good at explaining it, sorry...
Chapter 1 looks at mechanisms for moving through public space (types of: escalator, elevator, a couple of other pieces of obsolete or never-built mechanisms, and the revolving door)
while 2 is the literary chapter, 3 about airports, anxiety, panopticism, and 4 about distortion and this one kind of fisheye camera. Sorry if anyone's eyes glazed over while reading all that--I think I also blabbed about it on a thread about escalators awhile back!

sgs (sgs), Saturday, 12 March 2005 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I like the motorised ones and dislike people who use them.

RJG (RJG), Sunday, 13 March 2005 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)

> a couple of other pieces of obsolete or never-built mechanisms

go on, spill it!

koogs (koogs), Monday, 14 March 2005 11:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Have you ever tried going through a revolving door with a sousaphone? Ugh.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 14 March 2005 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Ooh! Ooh! What about going through a motorized revolving door while wearing roller skates?!

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

It's difficult to go through a revolving door flanked by two Spectacled Bears.

Rumpsy Pumpsy (Rumpie), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)

i like squeezing in with my girlfriend into one segment of a revolving door. its cute fun.

the only motorized door i've ever been in was very large and moved fast enough for its size for you to be able to walk comfortably through.

AaronK (AaronK), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)


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