http://chronicle.com/free/2005/02/2005021406n.htm
― sl_b, Friday, 18 March 2005 10:44 (twenty-one years ago)
― sl_b, Friday, 18 March 2005 10:45 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ed (dali), Friday, 18 March 2005 10:55 (twenty-one years ago)
anyway, this is nearly as good: The university "has severely damaged my reputation as well as my health," the professor, Hans-Hermann Hoppe, wrote on Saturday in an e-mail message to The Chronicle. "It owes me reasonable compensation for this." haha MARKETPLACE of IDEAS fuckface, you're free to speak and we're all free to react, tra la.
― f--gg (gcannon), Friday, 18 March 2005 11:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― N_RQ, Friday, 18 March 2005 11:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― f--gg (gcannon), Friday, 18 March 2005 11:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ed (dali), Friday, 18 March 2005 11:06 (twenty-one years ago)
― f--gg (gcannon), Friday, 18 March 2005 11:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― halls, Friday, 18 March 2005 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 18 March 2005 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― the vandammerizer, Friday, 18 March 2005 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)
'mom, what's wrong with communism?'
'go to your room!'
[five minutes later]
'oh, come back honey, I'm sorry - that wasn't very libertarian of me'
― halls, Friday, 18 March 2005 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― Silky Sensor (sexyDancer), Friday, 18 March 2005 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ed (dali), Friday, 18 March 2005 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)
GMU Law is a right-wing sewer. who cares what anyone from that septic tank things?
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 18 March 2005 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 18 March 2005 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― Maria (Maria), Friday, 18 March 2005 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 18 March 2005 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― f--gg (gcannon), Friday, 18 March 2005 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)
― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 18 March 2005 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)
every libertarian man- and woman-child gets very warm and very damp somewhere very private when they read this kind of shit.
― i wd kno, Friday, 18 March 2005 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ed (dali), Friday, 18 March 2005 20:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― I got the job because I was so mean, while somehow appearing so kind. (AaronHz), Saturday, 19 March 2005 04:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― Let's keep the afterbirth and throw Ian Riese-Moraine away! (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 20 March 2005 02:19 (twenty-one years ago)
Dr Bob, I read your book with great interest. As a libertarian I share your concerns about the rise of authoritarianism. However I was surprised by your claim that authoritarians are usually right-wing, when I have come to believe that the most thoroughgoing authoritarians are on the _left_. Let me provide some examples. It was the left (not the right) that invented modern totalitarianism, in the form of Stalinist communism. It's the left that supports institutions like communes in which "there is no private life." It's the left which first believed that their political ideals could only be achieved through revolution, and through violent imposition. It was the left alone which believed, and continues to believe, that the _whole_ of social life should be organized according to their ideals. Let me anticipate an objection to what I've just said. You may object that leftists no longer believe those things. However it appears to me that the leftist zeal for control remains much stronger than that of their right-wing opponents. Let me provide some more recent examples than 1930s leftist radicalism. A recent example involves Robert Reich, former labor secretary under Clinton and leading left-wing ideologue. Recently he published an article in "Hope" magazine advocating that all young people should be "drafted" and forced to perform "compulsory service" in the military or in Americorps. In other words, Reich suggested that we should instate a draft which requires all people of a certain age, under penalty of imprisonment, to be assigned to a camp or communal living situation in which they will be forced to perform labor. It should be perfectly obvious that what Reich has suggested is that we institute forced labor camps. I am not exaggerating, and I choose my words carefully. Of course Reich didn't call it that. Instead, he preferred some euphemism like "community service centers" or something similar. But that's not surprising; the proponents of forced labor camps always use some euphemism. Isn't it more accurate to describe involuntary confinement in a camp with forced labor, a forced labor camp? To my amazement, quite a few people on the left agree with him. In fact, quite a few people on the left have recently called for re- instating the draft. Recall that it was the Democrats, not the Republicans, who have called for re-instating the draft. But they don't believe in the war! Instead, they believe in forced internment _for its own sake_. Or (worse still) for the sake of "fairness", for the sake of subjecting _everyone_ to command rather than just some. And that is not the only example of leftist authoritarianism. Another example comes from Canada, where the author comes from. In Canada there was recently a law preventing people from procuring private health services to save their own lives. In other words the state required certain people to die who otherwise wouldn't, in order to support the leftist social ideal of "fairness". Happily the law was overruled by the high court in Canada. Unsurprisingly, however, almost the entire left joined together in castigating the court and expressing support for the notion that the state should occasionally prevent certain people from attempting to preserve their own lives. Of course they don't call it "state-sanctioned murder". When the authoritarianism is their own, they prefer pleasant-sounding phrases. These days, nobody on the right, no matter how extreme, has dared suggesting anything so frankly authoritarian as labor camps or state- sanctioned murder of people not convicted of any crime. Not once, during my entire life, has such a thing emanated from the right. Nobody on the right has ever suggested that an authority should be given complete control over social life. Even the onerous restrictions and powerful authorities of the traditional order, which reactionaries wish to resurrect, grant far more liberty to the individual than any socialist utopia. In fact, many leftists want to overturn the traditional restrictions only to impose far more comprehensive restrictions of their own. I find it strange, therefore, when leftists castigate the right for "authoritarianism" while remaining completely blind to their own authoritarianism. That blindness was apparent in the otherwise- excellent book, in which right-wing authoritarianism ("I believe people should be forced by authority to adhere to the true religion") is carefully examined but left-wing authoritarianism ("I believe people should be forced by authority to adhere to my notion of the Great Society") was ignored. ...The reason I bring this up is because I'm a libertarian who feels he must vote Republican in order to avoid the extreme authoritarianism of the left. I choose the lesser of two evils, the lesser authoritarianism. And I suspect that most libertarians (who represent about 14% of the population) vote Republican for that reason alone. Which brings me to my final point. For the last few years, authoritarianism on the right has been increasing, especially with regard to the war on terror etc. This development has tempted many libertarians to abandon the Republican party and perhaps vote Democrat. In that vein, a cato scholar wrote an open letter called "liberal-tarian" in which he suggested that libertarians would happily vote for the left (and give the Democrats a majority) if the left would simply abandon their own authoritarianism and stop talking about the "Great Society", and stop pushing for the view that "The State Should Control the Commerce (and the Health)" or whatever else. The letter suggested that the libertarians and the democrats could unite to expand social freedom and end the war. In response, the leftists of the New Republic (where the open letter was published) suggested that if the left _must_ make concessions to gain votes, it would be better to court the religious right than to consort with free-market libertarians. It appears that the editors of the New Republic would rather have authoritarianism of all kinds than abandon their own kind. ...The book made some excellent suggestions about how to combat authoritarianism. But most of those suggestions involved trying to persuade religious fundamentalists to change their beliefs--a very difficult task. Instead, perhaps you should try to convince the _left_ to change their beliefs? Or even change your own beliefs? I don't believe the left or the Democrats could ever triumph against authoritarianism if they make exemptions for when they do it. "Oh, but that's _different_; when we do it, it's for _fairness_." In other words, they support authoritarianism, but for their own program, not their opponents' program. But that's not a very strong condemnation of authoritarianism. If both sides agree on authoritarianism, then they'll get it. They may disagree on how it should be used, in which case one side will end up dominating the other, and the loser will just have to live with it. ...If the Democrats abandoned their own authoritarianism then many people who now vote Republican could switch parties. By abandoning their own authoritarianism, the Democrats may discover some unsuspected allies. The Democrats might even win more elections, who knows. Perhaps the only thing necessary to defeat authoritarianism is not to practice it.
― kingfish, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 06:29 (nineteen years ago)
― kingfish, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 06:36 (nineteen years ago)
― J.D., Tuesday, 27 March 2007 07:49 (nineteen years ago)