Has anyone here ever had a lumbar puncture?

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What does it involve? Does it hurt, honestly? How did you feel afterwards? Why did you have it done? What did it reveal?

I should have asked more questions but I wasn't expecting it so I didn't and now I'm a bit scared.

Penelope_111 (Penelope_111), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 15:04 (twenty-one years ago)

You impressively healthy lot!

Penelope_111 (Penelope_111), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I might have, what exactly is it? I had a collapsed lung once - well more than once but only once hospitalised with it. If it's what I had then I'd probably better not say anymore about it!

Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't a lumbar puncture what they give you when you have meningitis and they put a large needle into the base of your spine to withdraw the spinal fluid?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

My brother had one when he was very small (about 2). My mother said I had to be extra nice to him after as they are "the most painful operation you can have". :(

I don't know if that is true or whether she was exaggerating to ensure my niceness.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's also known as a spinal tap. Apparently, it's a long needle inserted near the base of the spine to draw off spinal fluid to check for certain illnesses / diseases.

xpost Matt's correct

Penelope_111 (Penelope_111), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Apparently it has to be done without anaesthetic as well. I fear this more than any other medical procedure.

(Sorry Penelope, this isn't helping, is it?)

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh right right, I got my back and front the wrong way round, I only had a two foot metal spike rammed through my chest wall while under insufficient local anaesthetic

Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Eek.

Penelope_111 (Penelope_111), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I had one when I was about six. I don't remember the pain but I do remember being terrified and having about three nurses lying across me to assure I wouldn't move.

Miss Misery (thatgirl), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I felt like Jesus in a Mel Gibson film

Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I have never had this done, I will say that. But one thing to remember is kind of what Miss M says up there. You don't remember the pain for things like this. Like you remember it did hurt, and it sure as hell will probably hurt while it's being done, but you don't really, in the end, remember what it felt like and it doesn't linger on for a long time, it just hurts and it sucks and then it's gone and you can't really recall in your head, what exactly it felt like.

I imagine that this procedure will be like procedures I've had that hurt and sucked but a few days later I couldn't really remember why or what was so bad about it other than it sucked, generally. So don't worry too much!

Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I used "assure" instead of "ensure". Good thing I'm quitting this English teacher gig.

Miss Misery (thatgirl), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 15:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, anyone considering having one done may want to remember another thing Miss Misery says, "..three nurses lying across me.."

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm fucking terrified. Seriously. And I vaguely remember someone saying that if you move at all during the procedure, irreparable spinal damage may be caused.

I think I need to go ask some questions.

Penelope_111 (Penelope_111), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes I staying still is key. But honestly I don't know if it really hurts. I mean needles going in don't hurt *that* much. Granted I hardly have any sensation in my lower back area partly due to the disease which caused me to have this procedure so maybe I'm just talking out of my ass. . .

Miss Misery (thatgirl), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Stuff here > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumbar_puncture and here > http://www.mtio.com/lupus/prolp.htm

No mention how painful it is but they do mention it possible risks and outline the procedure. Sadly no mention of being draped in nurses.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, the second one has this to say on pain/discomfort:

The LP is described as being uncomfortable or painful by patients. Some feel burning, pressure, or stabs of pain down their legs.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

the being pinned down by nurses was probably the most terrifying part. I remember we were in a tiny little room and they were all sweaty.

Also during this hospital stay I had tests performed which first involved sticking needles (like sewing needles) up and down my legs and then running electric shocks through my legs. That hurt like hell and I was screaming my head off. They wouldn't let my mom in the room with me during the procedure and when we came out she was a crying heap after having to listen to me howl the whole time. yuck.

Miss Misery (thatgirl), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I think my sister had to have this done when they were trying to figure out what was wrong with her (turned out to be MS). I had heard that spinal taps are terrible, but what I recall her saying was that it wasn't actually all that bad. She does tend to be heroically stoic, though.

Maria D. (Maria D.), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Or stoically heroic?

Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

well, she is my hero.

Maria D. (Maria D.), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.harryshearer.com/art/tap_horn.gif

andy --, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I've had a spinal tap. I don't want to scare you but yeah, it sorta sucks! It's not really the poking of the needle that hurts but the pulling of the fluid out? I assume so, as it was a pain I had never experienced before. The spot is kind of sore for a few days, but I'm sure there are things that hurt way worse. You have to lay on your back for the rest of the day, and I think maybe it was just me but I got super sick. I was starting a new medication which was part of it but it sort of messed up my equilibrium. They told me I could be back in school the next day but no way did that happen. But you will make it through!! I wish I could give more comforting words and tell you that it doesn't hurt.

Oh, and - I had it done to see if I had this condition where too much pressure in your head/spine acts like a brain tumor. My vision was going kind of fast and they had to get the fluid to find out if it was HIGH or what not. Other than the being sick there were no side effects and they found out what they needed to know so I got to start the medication and am now BETTER. So, I guess I have to say THANKS to the spinal tap. I do remember reading the traci lords autobiography while bedridden.

gunther heartymeal (keckles), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Good luck Penelope - I'm sure it'll be no picnic, but it won't be as bad as, say lots of things that happen at the dentist. Take care and report back - we'll all be super-impressed!

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks Gunther. Was it (the fluid) high? I think this is one of the things they want to check me for. The consultant mentioned keeping an eye on my sight.

Is the medication you take supposed to reduce the fluid? Are you on it for life?

xpost Thanks Mark, I've four months to make up my mind whether to have it or not.

Penelope_111 (Penelope_111), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

The fluid was high. It sounds like maybe they are checking you out for the same thing? It can effect you in different ways but for me it was vision. The medication, which I amazingly forget the name of, was supposed to keep that pressure low. Oh it was called Diamox! It works for most people, and it worked for me. Some people have to be on it for life, but I am still in this period of time where they are making sure the pressure doesn't go back up without the medication. I went off of it last summer and passed my three month and six month vision tests ok - I will have one more and then I should be in the clear! All is fine now except my right eye vision is kinda permanantly damaged. It is fuzzy and glasses won't fix it, but since my left eye is fine I pretty much don't notice!

I feel like this has been way too much info, but I hope it is helpful in some way. Good luck with everything!!

gunther heartymeal (keckles), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

a primer from a soon-to-be neurology resident:

lumbar punctures are done under local anesthetic. with sufficient anesthetic and good technique, most LPs are uncomfortable, but not excruciating. injecting the local is itself somewhat painful (most people find it burns a bit). the lumbar puncture is done with a long, hollow needle that's not especially thick. advancing that needle can be painful, if the ligaments between the vertebrae are tough, or if it hits the spinous processes of the vertebrae instead of passing between them. but most people feel more of a pressure than a pain, and any sharp pain should prompt the doctor to stop and add more local anesthetic.

the goal of an LP is to draw off cerebrospinal fluid from inside the dural sac (the bag of membranes enclosing the spinal cord). the spinal cord stops just below the bottom rib, so the needle is placed lower, between 2 of the lower lumbar vertebrae. you can find the interspace on yourself by drawing a straight line across your back connecting the tops of your hipbones. there's no spinal cord at that level, but there are spinal nerve roots, which if poked give rise to those shooting pains in the legs. this is uncomfortable, but not dangerous. in little kids, the process is a bit more dangerous, because the spinal cord extends down another vertebrae or two, so there's an increased risk of damaging it with the needle.

the doctors will ask you to curve your back and flatten your lumbar spine during the procedure. this helps flatten out the spinous processes of the vertebrae and makes it easier to pass the needle.

the most common side effect is a headache. in a few cases, this is severe, and is blamed on CSF leaking through the hole left by the needle in the dura (membranes). lying down for several hours after the procedure is recommended, and seems to help.

like anything else, some people tolerate them well, and some don't. if you're scared, let people know. they should be talking you through it, anyway. if you really need one done, and can't be talked through it, they may be able to offer you a mild sedative to help take the edge off the anxiety.

good luck with everything.

neuroètheque, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Aye, I've had one.

The process itself isn't very painful, but the transmitted sound of the needle scraping against your spine (which you hear through a weird bone transmission thing) is very disconcerting and you do have to keep very, very still.

I had constant headaches (severe migraine territory) for over a week afterwards, presumably something to to do with the fluid being removed, but I found treating them as a migraine (dark room, lying down, lots of liquid) made it tolerable - although there was about a 48 hour period when I felt like I couldn't get out of bed.

It's not pleasant, and I hope I never have one again, but there are worse procedures out there, I'm sure.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

a primer from a soon-to-be neurology resident:

Hey, are you a US medical student? If so, congratulations on matching in neurology--there were only 43 spots offered in the US last year.

adam (adam), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 21:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks for the info, I appreciate it.

Penelope_111 (Penelope_111), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I had one about three years ago. The thought of it, was worse than the actual procedure. I have assisted with these, when I used to be a nurse and I remembered that you had to keep very still and draw your knees up high to your chest, your spine then becomes more defined which assists the doctor in finding the intercostal space.


They numb the site anyway and I have had worse at the dentists when they put that needle in your gums and it brings tears to your eyes.

My son thought it was ace that I had had a SPINAL TAP!

Its nothing.

kayT (kaytee), Thursday, 24 March 2005 08:43 (twenty-one years ago)


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